Pass the Ball, Dang it! T-RO T-RIUMPHS

[Brian_C82]

I thought the 49ers proved this a long time ago. They didn't seem to care about running the ball when Montana and Young were their QB's, and they were pretty successful.

 

[Oldschool7]

My risk-reward chart recommends I answer your question "yes" 50 percent of the time. Any more or less could result in anarchy.

Anarchy is chaos. The way the Colts typically throw the ball...or the way the Saints did tonight makes one think of different words....

Methodical
Thoughtful
Premeditated
Precise

I don't know about throwing the ball 65% but I can see the way the game is evolving.

 

[Hoofbite]

The last four Super Bowl contestants break out like this over their 16 game schedule:
Pittsburgh 53% pass/run (but they averaged only around 3.0 yards per carry)
Arizona 65% pass/run
Indy 62% pass/run
New Orleans 54% pass/run

Interestingly the teams that featured the superior rushing performances in the last two Super Bowls both lost anyway.

So there still hasn't been a SB winner in the last 2 decades (at least) who has thrown as much you say they should?

 

[T-RO]

It doesn't matter if you pass a little or pass a lot, you almost always have to pass better than your opponent to win.

We agree 75% on this topic but I'd be interested to see your take on numbers in this regard: It's more than just passing efficiency. It's about passing proclivity. (though I'd agree efficiency comes first in importance.)

The winning Super Bowl teams are throwing the ball a lot more than a few years ago...and I would contend that playoff teams are throwing the ball above the statistical median if you could normalize the stats by eliminating the pass heavy orientation of bad teams when they are heavily behind in games. (I'd suggest looking at the first half of games before big leads come into play that skew the numbers.)

I'd love to look at some splits. Just iso on the first half.

 

[T-RO]

So there still hasn't been a SB winner in the last 2 decades (at least) who has thrown as much you say they should?

Hoofbite your thinking is ridiculously granular and wildly pedantic.

I have never argued about past eras of football. I am talking about *this* era.

1. Teams are passing more than ever.
2. Many of the teams that are passing it the most are witnessing prolific success.
3. Teams that pass with great efficiency are dominant -- even if they have very poor running games.
4. If you average the four teams in the past two Super Bowl you have something very close to a 60% pass-run ratio.
5. In the past two Super Bowl games you have something around or above 65% pass-run ratio.

 

[DallasEast]

Why do I keep pounding on this? To help build a fan culture that supports a new Cowboy agenda.

Do you realistically believe that you are going to succeed?

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Who exactly are the run loving dinosaurs? Can you name them so that we can be on the look-out?

 

[burmafrd]

pathetic thread. Actually the Colts were controling the game early on when they were running well.

 

[jimmy40]

I thought the 49ers proved this a long time ago. They didn't seem to care about running the ball when Montana and Young were their QB's, and they were pretty successful.

Roger Craig was pretty big part of that success.

 

[burmafrd]

49rs were actually pretty well balanced. Just was not noticed much except by people who KNOW FOOTBALL.

 

[Doomsday101]

Just to conclude my season-long assault on the run-loving dinosaurs.

- For the second year in a row a team ranked 32nd in rushing made it to the Super Bowl.
- For the second year in a row the Super Bowl pass-run ratio was more than 70% pass.
- The Saints ran for less yards--only 55--yet won the game going away.
- The Colts tried to run the ball more than usual--and lost with a very meager night.
- 84 passes versus 31 runs - 73% of the game's plays were passes.

At half time Cowher and company were admonishing the Saints: throw the ball. They did. They won.

What is your deal? Noone is saying the pass is not important it is but teams still run the ball and it is still a big part of the offense. if all you did was throw passes 100% of the time defense would tee off on QB's and put a serious hurt on the offense. Why the hell do you think team use play action? To slow the pass rush down. So one last time yes the passing game is important but the run is still an important phase of the offense if you can't understand that then you really do not have a clue.

 

[burmafrd]

yeah he needs an education on what football is all about.

 

[Doomsday101]

yeah he needs an education on what football is all about.

1 dimensional is never the way to go. Saints may not have ran allot but the runs they had were very effective with Thomas and Bush. Colts to had some good runs but in the end it was the passing game that got them beat when Manning threw the int for the TD.

 

[casmith07]

Just to conclude my season-long assault on the run-loving dinosaurs.

- For the second year in a row a team ranked 32nd in rushing made it to the Super Bowl.
- For the second year in a row the Super Bowl pass-run ratio was more than 70% pass.
- The Saints ran for less yards--only 55--yet won the game going away.
- The Colts tried to run the ball more than usual--and lost with a very meager night.
- 84 passes versus 31 runs - 73% of the game's plays were passes.

At half time Cowher and company were admonishing the Saints: throw the ball. They did. They won.

You conveniently ignore the fact that the 32nd ranked rushing team lost in a blowout when it mattered most.

You have to run the ball effectively to win the game. Strawman argument, but thanks anyway.

 

[Oh_Canada]

It's a new game...the days of three yards and a cloud of dust are over.

 

[Doomsday101]

Kind of strange that the Saints were the 6th ranked running team in the NFL this past season. 6 out of 32 not bad

rushing 29 attempts a game and passing 34 passes a game

 

[EPL0c0]

is this *ANOTHER* "Let's trade/dump Barber thread" ???


ok...hadda get that in there....

 

[casmith07]

Kind of strange that the Saints were the 6th ranked running team in the NFL this past season. 6 out of 32 not bad

rushing 29 attempts a game and passing 34 passes a game

Balance is pretty awesome. Apparently it lets you win Super Bowls in blowouts too.

 

[CATCH17]

I like the way this team is built because we can go anywhere and play any style of football.

The Saints got the homefield advantage but I can't see them taking that offense on the road in bad weather or anything and coming out with a victory in the playoffs.

I like having the big physical football team that can still throw it around the lot and we can do that.

 

[tyke1doe]

Neither team was a big running team.