Pass the Ball, Dang it! T-RO T-RIUMPHS

[tyke1doe]

What is your deal? Noone is saying the pass is not important it is but teams still run the ball and it is still a big part of the offense. if all you did was throw passes 100% of the time defense would tee off on QB's and put a serious hurt on the offense. Why the hell do you think team use play action? To slow the pass rush down. So one last time yes the passing game is important but the run is still an important phase of the offense if you can't understand that then you really do not have a clue.

This arguments are so ridiculous. If you can only run but not pass, you're not going to go very far. See Ravens and Jets.

If you pass and don't have a threat of a running game, you lose too. See Eagles, Packers.

This is a passing league. The rules favor the pass. So the pass is important. But you have to be able to run to maximize your options and take the pressure off your quarterback when he's jittery.

There are many Joe Montanas, and even he had the threat of a running game.

 

[goshan]

The OP is basically right. It is a passing league now. I don't understand why everyone is arguing with him.

Adam's stats back it up.

Now the OP says some things that are wrong if you focus on the specific thought, but the basic point of his post is true which is:

1. Running success is overrated in terms of its affect on wins and losses.
2. Passing success is much more of an indicator of who will win a game in today's NFL.

This doesn't mean you never run the ball.

 

[Future]

The OP is basically right. It is a passing league now. I don't understand why everyone is arguing with him.

Adam's stats back it up.

Now the OP says some things that are wrong if you focus on the specific thought, but the basic point of his post is true which is:

1. Running success is overrated in terms of its affect on wins and losses.
2. Passing success is much more of an indicator of who will win a game in today's NFL.

This doesn't mean you never run the ball.

It's a passing league...because teams know that they have to stop the run and have altered defenses enough to do so.

 

[goshan]

It's a passing league...because teams know that they have to stop the run and have altered defenses enough to do so.

Funny. That is a theory I havent heard that much before
Most would say it is other things like:

1. Rule changes favor the pass like QB protection, downfield contact
2. Defenses play bend not break, running between the 20s doesn't put up TDs.

 

[Doomsday101]

Funny. That is a theory I havent heard that much before
Most would say it is other things like:

1. Rule changes favor the pass like QB protection, downfield contact
2. Defenses play bend not break, running between the 20s doesn't put up TDs.

No it just keeps drives alive and forces defense to not tee off on the QB, it freezes LB and safeties which allow for openings in the passing game. No doubt passing game is critical but the running game still plays a part in helping the passing game

 

[casmith07]

No it just keeps drives alive and forces defense to not tee off on the QB, it freezes LB and safeties which allow for openings in the passing game. No doubt passing game is critical but the running game still plays a part in helping the passing game

A lack of effective running is why we lost to the Packers and the Vikings in the playoffs this year. Defense was able to tee off against our standing-start offensive line.

 

[tyke1doe]

You get more yards in the passing game, of course the stats are going to favor the passing game.

But the running game is important to establishing balance and gives you another option and can open up the passing game.

 

[burmafrd]

Saints used the run enough to force Indy to respect it. The Colts were doing quite well early in the game when they were balanced.

 

[khiladi]

The biggest play in the game was the drop by Garcon, which would have most likely led to a blow-out.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Who exactly are the run loving dinosaurs? Can you name them so that we can be on the look-out?

This.

Who here has actually denied the importance of passing efficiency and its high correlation to winning?

Most of us are simply asserting that passing more than one's opponent does not necessarily equal passing more efficiently than one's opponent.

Consider for a moment the New York Jets. No one would reasonably classify them as a prolific passing team. Yet, they made a deep playoff run--all the way to the AFC Championship game. Why? Because their dominant running game allowed them to have an efficient passing game during the playoffs even though they passed only 18 times in the wild card round and netted less than 100 total yards passing in the divisional round.

The importance of the running game is its contribution to setting up an efficient passing attack, and this contribution varies from team to team depending on its personnel.

 

[khiladi]

This.

Who here has actually denied the importance of passing efficiency and its high correlation to winning?

Most of us are simply asserting that passing more than one's opponent does not necessarily equal passing more efficiently than one's opponent.

Consider for a moment the New York Jets. No one would reasonably classify them as a prolific passing team. Yet, they made a deep playoff run--all the way to the AFC Championship game. Why? Because their dominant running game allowed them to have an efficient passing game during the playoffs even though they passed only 18 times in the wild card round and netted less than 100 total yards passing in the divisional round.

The importance of the running game is its contribution to setting up an efficient passing attack, and this contribution varies from team to team depending on its personnel.

To add to your point, the Saints were running a heavy-dose of play action and Thomas was a beats last night.

 

[jimmy40]

The biggest play in the game was the drop by Garcon, which would have most likely led to a blow-out.

thought I was the only one that even saw that play. maybe not the biggest play but it was huge.

 

[goshan]

Now I can't figure what we are arguing about?

POINT 1: It is a passing centric league. EVERYONE AGREES?

POINT 2: The run is still very important in terms of keeping defenses honest, picking up critical yardage and setting up the pass. EVERYONE AGREES?

POINT 3. The team that passes more certainly doesn't win. It's about passing effectiveness. EVERYONE AGREES?

Does anyone disagree with any of these points? If not, lets shut down the thread and move on to talking about cutting Barber.

 

[Doomsday101]

Now I can't figure what we are arguing about?

POINT 1: It is a passing centric league. EVERYONE AGREES?

POINT 2: The run is still very important in terms of keeping defenses honest and setting up the pass. EVERYONE AGREES?

POINT 3. The team that passes more certainly doesn't win. It's about passing effectiveness. EVERYONE AGREES.

Does anyone disagree with any of these points? If not, lets shut down the thread and move on to talking about cutting Barber.

point 1 agree
point 2 agree
point 3 agree

Only think I objected to was the opening line of the thread “Just to conclude my season-long assault on the run-loving dinosaurs.”

 

[goshan]

A lack of effective running is why we lost to the Packers and the Vikings in the playoffs this year. Defense was able to tee off against our standing-start offensive line.

Not sure I agree. Against Vikes, Felix averaged 4.9 yards a carry. Vikes were atrocious running the ball, yet they spanked us.

So I won't agree that 'lack of effective running' is the reason we lost.

 

[Doomsday101]

Not sure I agree. Against Vikes, Felix averaged 4.9 yards a carry. Vikes were atrocious running the ball, yet they spanked us.

So I won't agree that 'lack of effective running' is the reason we lost.

Dallas started off running the ball well however as the vikes defense improved on stopping the run as the game went on.

 

[goshan]

Yes we started running well, but didn't put up points. This is the argument people make about running. It puts up yards, not points.


Same thing in NFC playoff game in '07 versus the Giants. Ran absolutely all over them in the 1st half. But didn't put up points.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yes we started running well, but didn't put up points. This is the argument people make about running. It puts up yards, not points.

well passing game was not putting up points either. When you don't win the battle up front pass or run does not make a big differance the game as always is won up front.

 

[jterrell]

You have to be able to both run and pass to win in this league.

If not expect to be the Eagles with some great games but no overall consistency or championships.

Not being able to run the ball makes it flag football.

Both teams ran the ball at certain spots on the field and both teams are better when their running games work.

The passing game accounts for three times as much yardage so you need to be able to pass the ball but you have to be able to run the ball out from your own end zone and you have to be able to pound the rock for short yardage gains or touch downs.

The Colts lost that game because they couldn't score when they got near the goal line(of course also because they had a pick 6). You do that by running the ball well. You can't pass into a tight zone very well at all. You have to at least keep the defense honest.

 

[superpunk]

I won an internet argument against a bunch of flat-earthers the other day. I felt really good about it.