Passes over the middle!

[EGTuna]

All 3 TDs came on blitzes too. Dak made them pay. The Giants were doing just fine rushing 4, but when they rushed >4, Dak and the WRs/TEs/RBs killed them. Bob Sturm detailed it very well today.

 

[EPL0c0]

News flash:

This is NOT JG's offense. The architect is Scott Linehan. Linehan designs the plays and also calls the plays.

This has been pointed out 500x on this site and still posters can't buy a clue.

and creativity isn't high on LInehan's abilities.

Rod Smith is 6'3 235. Maybe he's not the best pass catcher, but his height alone should give him an advantage over some LBs or Safties in some short yardage or redzone scenerios

 

[Zman5]

News flash:

This is NOT JG's offense. The architect is Scott Linehan. Linehan designs the plays and also calls the plays.

This has been pointed out 500x on this site and still posters can't buy a clue.

This isn't Linehan's offense. Do you even know what Linehan's offense is? I've posted about his offense several times. Go look it up. And if you watch the game, you'll quickly realize it's not the offense he's been running before working for JG.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Except when it comes to the standings.

 

[Clove]

These defenders get paid also, the last I checked. You weren't going to run away with a game like this, especially a division foe. There were opportunities earlier but of course, no one could catch the balls. Then by middle of the game, no one was clicking, receivers or QB. By middle of the 4th, they figured it out and there you go. But as soon as you start striking the middle, teams will change up their schemes to remove that, so it's about being a surprise balanced attack. I did see a couple bunch formations last night, although they didn't do much from it.

 

[Cebrin]

JG has always used the sidelines. He doesn't like the middle.

JG is not your OC any longer.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This isn't Linehan's offense. Do you even know what Linehan's offense is? I've posted about his offense several times. Go look it up. And if you watch the game, you'll quickly realize it's not the offense he's been running before working for JG.

JG's offense when he was here was big on seam routes, gos, and the draw/man call in the run game. It looked a lot like Zampese and Turner.

When Callahan came in the passing game was much the same but the running game changed significantly. We ran a ton of stretches and counters that played off of them. The stretch was pretty pronounced as the entire line would start moving laterally to the openside and try and cheat gaps as they kept moving; Murray would look for cutbacks off of the action. Then we would counter taking one step to the stretch, pull a guard and center, and block down on all those false steps.

Linehan came in and changed both the running game and passing game. The staple route became the dig and he started varying the depths on routes which we had not been doing. Further in 2014 we started running those 4 and 5 WR sets on third down. That is precisely the type of thing he used to run in St Louis. Romo did it a ton and Dak has started using it more and more as he evolves as a passer.

In the running game he still ran the stretch but instead of taking advantage of movement our OL now only stretch a few steps and then look to create a pile cutting off backside pursuit. The movement is more downhill. We also run the middle iso ad nauseum and off tackle a ton. These are precisely the types of looks he ran for Steven Jackson in St Louis when he was winning rushing leads. We still use the counter.

Sure Linahan uses some holdover concepts and being a Coryell disciple himself came in with many of the same concepts but this offense is uniquely his own and a vast departure from what JG ran.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We run a ton of digs, slants, drags and inside routes. The problem with the middle of the field is that Witten has lost yet another step and struggles to get separation against man coverage and Beasley cannot beat double teams as he struggles to make plays downfield due to his size.

Sure Beasley took advantage of a blitz from his man and Witten dissected that zone on the seam route but we need more talent. Hopefully Rico can contribute next year but we need to draft a TE.

 

[wssaustin]

The play was not always there. At least one TD was the result of Giants brought the house blitzing.
When Giants drop 5, Dak could not get it going. We are a run first team 100%.

Had a few people over yesterday, so maybe I missed a couple of plays. I have to ask, why we don't use the middle of the field in the passing attack more? Everything is outside of the hash marks.

The TD passes to Wit and Rod were over the middle.

We should have scored 30 on these guys by halftime, I know we won and all, just frustrated with the design and play calling in this offense.

 

[Zman5]

JG's offense when he was here was big on seam routes, gos, and the draw/man call in the run game. It looked a lot like Zampese and Turner.

When Callahan came in the passing game was much the same but the running game changed significantly. We ran a ton of stretches and counters that played off of them. The stretch was pretty pronounced as the entire line would start moving laterally to the openside and try and cheat gaps as they kept moving; Murray would look for cutbacks off of the action. Then we would counter taking one step to the stretch, pull a guard and center, and block down on all those false steps.

Linehan came in and changed both the running game and passing game. The staple route became the dig and he started varying the depths on routes which we had not been doing. Further in 2014 we started running those 4 and 5 WR sets on third down. That is precisely the type of thing he used to run in St Louis. Romo did it a ton and Dak has started using it more and more as he evolves as a passer.

In the running game he still ran the stretch but instead of taking advantage of movement our OL now only stretch a few steps and then look to create a pile cutting off backside pursuit. The movement is more downhill. We also run the middle iso ad nauseum and off tackle a ton. These are precisely the types of looks he ran for Steven Jackson in St Louis when he was winning rushing leads. We still use the counter.

Sure Linahan uses some holdover concepts and being a Coryell disciple himself came in with many of the same concepts but this offense is uniquely his own and a vast departure from what JG ran.

Linehan is not a Coryell disciple. He's from Dennis Erickson/Jack Elway (John's father) disciple.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Linehan is not a Coryell disciple. He's from Dennis Erickson/Jack Elway (John's father) disciple.

He played QB for Erickson but never coached under him. His coaching resume is extremely diverse and hard to pin down.

Nonetheless, he runs the vertical timing routes and play action that Coryell made famous.

 

[Alexander]

Had a few people over yesterday, so maybe I missed a couple of plays. I have to ask, why we don't use the middle of the field in the passing attack more? Everything is outside of the hash marks.

Because we don't, okay?

We just don't.

I mean what else do you want?

You want an explanation for why we seem like we are running a Coryell offense from the 1970s?

How dare you.

 

[Zman5]

He played QB for Erickson but never coached under him. His coaching resume is extremely diverse and hard to pin down.

Nonetheless, he runs the vertical timing routes and play action that Coryell made famous.

Linehan has sited Erickson as one of his biggest influence when it comes to offensive philosophy. There are vertical timing routes and play action in almost every offense. It doesn't mean they are the same offense.

Linehan's offense put big emphasis on the slot player and tries to put the best player for the play in the slot. Go back and watch how much Calvin Johnson was used in the slot compared the how Dez is used. Did you see M. Irvin lineup in the slot much?

Linehan's offense uses deep and shallow crossing routes much more than Air Coryell.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Linehan has sited Erickson as one of his biggest influence when it comes to offensive philosophy. There are vertical timing routes and play action in almost every offense. It doesn't mean they are the same offense.

Linehan's offense put big emphasis on the slot player and tries to put the best player for the play in the slot. Go back and watch how much Calvin Johnson was used in the slot compared the how Dez is used. Did you see M. Irvin lineup in the slot much?

Linehan's offense uses deep and shallow crossing routes much more than Air Coryell.

He said that Erikson influenced him on his attacking playcalling style. What he did not say was the he influenced him schematically. Erikson ran a precursor to the modern day air raid spread offense trash we see in the NCAA today not the WCO anyway. Lots of 11 and 10 personnel.

Linehan was brought into the NFL under Mike Tice who was a Gibbs disciple who in turn was a Coryell disciple. It was that continuity in scheme that encouraged the Rams to sign Linehan after Martz, another Coryell disciple, was fired.

The Coryell offense uses digs, outs and comebacks to set up posts gos seams fades and flags. You act like it was 4 go routes and that is simply not the case. Michael Irvin was a master at the in route and used much like Dez is today. The multiple crossing routes is also a staple of Coryells offense in attacking zones.

Zampese and Turner featured the slot and Y with Novacek and KMart. Linehan moves his players around but aht is hardly a WCO thing. One thing he does not do is the short pass to quick routes and RB in the flat or on the curl as a substitute for the run. That is the defining element of the WCO. Stephen Jackson's rushing title speaks for itself.

 

[T-RO]

This isn't Linehan's offense. Do you even know what Linehan's offense is? I've posted about his offense several times. Go look it up. And if you watch the game, you'll quickly realize it's not the offense he's been running before working for JG.

How do you not get this? Linehan is the offensive coordinator.
-When Bob Sturm does his weekly breakdowns of the offense, what is it called? Decoding Garrett? Of course not! It's Decoding Linehan.
-What does Romo say about Garrett's job on national TV? "Jason isn't an Xs and Os coach...but one of culture." You think Romo might know these things?

Jason isn't designing schemes and he isn't calling plays.

The offense is Linehan's baby. All of it. And the defense is Marinelli's baby. All of it.

 

[Zman5]

He said that Erikson influenced him on his attacking playcalling style. What he did not say was the he influenced him schematically. Erikson ran a precursor to the modern day air raid spread offense trash we see in the NCAA today not the WCO anyway. Lots of 11 and 10 personnel.

Linehan was brought into the NFL under Mike Tice who was a Gibbs disciple who in turn was a Coryell disciple. It was that continuity in scheme that encouraged the Rams to sign Linehan after Martz, another Coryell disciple, was fired.

The Coryell offense uses digs, outs and comebacks to set up posts gos seams fades and flags. You act like it was 4 go routes and that is simply not the case. Michael Irvin was a master at the in route and used much like Dez is today. The multiple crossing routes is also a staple of Coryells offense in attacking zones.

Zampese and Turner featured the slot and Y with Novacek and KMart. Linehan moves his players around but aht is hardly a WCO thing. One thing he does not do is the short pass to quick routes and RB in the flat or on the curl as a substitute for the run. That is the defining element of the WCO. Stephen Jackson's rushing title speaks for itself.

Coryell, Bill Walsh,Gibbs, Noles, Madden, Zamplese were all influenced by Sid Gillman. That doesn't mean Bill Walsh's WCO is same as Coryell offense.

And what does Irvin and Dez running the slant prove? You don't think WCO runs slants? Does that mean we run a WCO?
Every offense have same routes in their scheme. That doesn't mean they are the same offense.

It's obvious you haven't watched much of Lion's offense when Linehan was there. Go watch the Lions games when Linehan was the OC. An if you still think it's the same as what we run today, you need to learn more about details of various offensive philosophies. I'll give you a hint. It involves more than what type of routes the receivers run.

 

[Zman5]

How do you not get this? Linehan is the offensive coordinator.
-When Bob Sturm does his weekly breakdowns of the offense, what is it called? Decoding Garrett? Of course not! It's Decoding Linehan.
-What does Romo say about Garrett's job on national TV? "Jason isn't an Xs and Os coach...but one of culture." You think Romo might know these things?

Jason isn't designing schemes and he isn't calling plays.

The offense is Linehan's baby. All of it. And the defense is Marinelli's baby. All of it.

Learn to watch the game. Romo was probably being nice by saying that. He didn't want to say what he really meant which is JG sucks at coming up with offensive scheme and JG has no clue.

Linehan is the OC but he's running an offense based on JG's crappy scheme. You think all the OC and DCs are running their own scheme? Zimmer was our DC when Parcells was the HC. Zimmer is a 4-3 guy. He eventually ended up running Parcells 3-4. Get a clue.

 

[garyo1954]

Because we don't, okay?

We just don't.

I mean what else do you want?

You want an explanation for why we seem like we are running a Coryell offense from the 1970s?

How dare you.

Why don't we throw more sideline routes?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Coryell, Bill Walsh,Gibbs, Noles, Madden, Zamplese were all influenced by Sid Gillman. That doesn't mean Bill Walsh's WCO is same as Coryell offense.

And what does Irvin and Dez running the slant prove? You don't think WCO runs slants? Does that mean we run a WCO?
Every offense runs same routes. That doesn't mean they are the same offense.

It's obvious you haven't watched much of Lion's offense when Linehan was there. Go watch the Lions games when Linehan was the OC. An if you still think it's the same as what we run today, you need to learn more about details of various offensive philosophies. I'll give you a hint. It involves more than what type of routes the receivers run.

What does Sid Gillman have to do with anything. Walsh developed the WCO while he was coordinating for Brown. That was his genesis and he taught it to his assistants. Much the same with San Diego and Coryell teaching his assistants. Gillman originated neither offense; Walsh and Coryell however did.

Gibbs ran Coryell's offense and taught it to Tice. Linehan broke his NFL cherry with Tice who ran the Coryell. He was the QB coach in a Coryell offense. It is what it is.

Irvin running crossing routes rebuts your assertion that our WR runs crossing routes disproves Linehan is a Coryell disciple. Crossing routes are staple of Air Coryell.

I watched a ton of him at the Rams when he was a head coach with Steve Jackson and the offense he ran there was very similar to what we ran here. In Detroit I watched a fair bit and he ran a lot of what we ran on 3rd down in 2014 with the shotgun 01 and 11 looks; Detroit ran it all the time because they had no RB worth a flip. We still run a full route tree and option routes today. I have no idea what routes you think we do not run.

 

[T-RO]

Learn to watch the game. Romo was probably being nice by saying that. He didn't want to say what he really meant which is JG sucks at coming up with offensive scheme and JG has no clue.

Linehan is the OC but he's running an offense based on JG's crappy scheme. You think all the OC and DCs are running their own scheme? Zimmer was our DC when Parcells was the HC. Zimmer is a 4-3 guy. He eventually ended up running Parcells 3-4. Get a clue.

OK...call Romo a liar. Call Bob Sturm a fool. Think whatever the hell you want. But everyone knows it was Linehan that wanted to keep Moore around. Scott calls the shots for the offense--not Garrett. Scott designs offense. Scott calls plays. Scott determines offensive personnel.

You clearly are struggling w/ job assignments at Valley Ranch.