Pay cut Cowboys will ask Zeke to take will be massive

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SportsGuru80 said:
It's time to move on from Zeke, he's WASHED. Why does this stupid owner love hanging on to players too long????
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Because he sells jerseys and fans become attached to the stars. Most casual fans aren’t aware how much players salaries are or care. They just tune in on Sundays to watch the game .
 
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A 4th rounder makes about $800K. A 3rd rounder makes about $950K. So that’s about where the value discussion starts. Zeke is going to accept that? Now on a production level both would be better day 1. So what is the point? Zeke is shot. Period. With about $11million in cap savings he absolutely MUST be cut.
 
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It depends on the definition of a massive paycut. It could be 5 million less, 10 million less. If I had to guess his market value is in the middle of that number. 7 million may feel high, but realistically that's probably what the market dictates when you look at other contracts. You see guys like James Connor, Nyheim Hines, Leonard Fournette, Rashard Penny, Kareem Hunt in that range. None of those dudes makes you go that's a great running back and Zeke is probably better than all of them at this stage.
 
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As a Zeke fan I hate to see him go.

As a Cowboys fan that that understands the cap I hope for an outright cut, or massive pay cut.

Since the former and the latter are in conflict, for me the latter always wins out and that should be the case.

I am curious at the actual cap implications on cutting him outright (where Zeke receives no more funds nor guaranteed money) vs keeping Zeke at the vet minimum one more year as the #3 back.

Obviously in total cap dollars the latter costs more. But if his non-prorated SB is not accelerated, would his cap hit be less than if he is cut outright?

I am thinking that Zeke’s cap hit is less this year if he plays for the vet minimum unless he is a June 1 cut. Can someone give specifics on this?
 
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Stash said:
I think it’s more about admitting mistakes.
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That's the problem. Jerry is letting his ego hurt the team. Even he has to see Zeke is washed. But letting him go will be him admitting it was a mistake to resign him
 

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Verdict said:
I am thinking that Zeke’s cap hit is less this year if he plays for the vet minimum unless he is a June 1 cut. Can someone give specifics on this?
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Here's the math. Elliott has a $16.7 million cap hit for 2023. That's broken down as follows:

$10.9 million base + $1.5 million prorated signing bonus + $2.6 million prorated option bonus + $1.7 million 2021 restructure

So of his cap hit, $5.8 million are non base salary cap charges they can do nothing about. Even if you cut his base salary to $1 million (which I think is the vet minimum for a guy with his service time), he'd still have a $6.8 million cap charge for 2023. You do save $10 million against the cap but are still carrying a mediocre TB at a $6.8 million cap charge, which isn't all that great.

For informational purposes, if you cut him pre June 1, he's only a $4.9 million cap savings (because you have to advance all that prorated money) or if you make him a June 1 cut, which would save his base of $10.9 million (but again, you technically can't use that cap savings until June 1 because you have to carry Elliott's full cap charge until then). So from a cap perspective, getting him to take vet minimum provides a bit less cap savings but you get it right away. The downside is you still have Elliott on your books and then have to deal with this again next year (it is easier to cut him in 2024). On the flipside, a June 1 cut saves you a bit more but on the downside, you can't use the savings until June 1 and you still have to take a dead money hit in 2024 of around $6 million.

For one year, if you want as much cap savings as possible, getting him to take a massive pay cut makes some sense.
 
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erod said:
Keep in mind, Pollard is probably the worst pass protector in the NFL. Just awful. That matters.
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- Pollard is not the worst, some don't see enuff around the league to compare him to ...
he's an average blitz blocker overall.. but he's improved from terrible to average. imo

- You have to vary him to where he is Not forced to blitz block every pass play he is in there.
you wouldn't be asking Aaron Jones to blitz block on every pass set.

- That's why you see an Aaron Jones (Packers) receive catch most of pass plays, ...only a small set of must- blitz block plays
while snaps and sets are share-split with the 2nd RB with blitz blocking responsibilities.
Have only a certain packages and sets to where he has to blitz block.

- The coaches here were too spoiled and set in their ways that they had Zeke blitz block on virtually every down, game to game basis.

- But hence, .. even blitz blocking, ...having to absorb hard rushing incoming blitzers so regularly ...also takes a wear and tear pounding toll on the RB bodies
Yet another reason why Zeke was so subject to rapid physical decline.
 
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