Pay Dak/lose player or pay the others and Franchise Dak

[Altestic]

Lmaoooooooo!!

It's not true at all. I'm not a huge Prescott supporter but to say Fitztragic and Pocket Statue Rosen are better is ridiculous.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Bortles lead his team to the AFC title game without his best rb , a mediocre OL and wr core........i'll take bortles any day over dak.

Lmao @JD_KaPow I can't believe somebody actually said this.

"Lead his team to the AFC title game".
Bortles on the year: 60% completion, 23 total TDs, 13 INTs, and 7.0 ypa.

This guy knows absolutely nothing about football.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

It's not true at all. I'm not a huge Prescott supporter but to say Fitztragic and Pocket Statue Rosen are better is ridiculous.

Absolutely. There's zero logic used.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Bortles lead his team to the AFC title game without his best rb , a mediocre OL and wr core........i'll take bortles any day over dak.

I rest my case.

 

[Altestic]

Lmao @JD_KaPow I can't believe somebody actually said this.

"Lead his team to the AFC title game".
Bortles on the year: 60% completion, 23 total TDs, 13 INTs, and 7.0 ypa.

This guy knows absolutely nothing about football.

Bortles is going to be a career backup from this point forward. Everyone has seen the lowlights. Bortles threw one into his own offensive lineman's helmet in the red zone (which fell into a defender's hands for an easy pick). Bortles sucks.

 

[HungryLion]

The Eagles game was all Cooper. The Saints game; how many sacks did he take, plus you have to count all turnovers not just interceptions. A good QB (Brady for example) doesn't take many sacks despite an average at best offensive line.

Bringing up Brady doesn’t strengthen your argument.

1. Brady is arguably the best QB to ever play. So if you are waiting for a QB as good as him, you’re gonna be waiting for a long time.

2. If you think the patriots offensive line has been “average at best” all these years. You are sadly mistaken.

 

[Altestic]

Bringing up Brady doesn’t strengthen your argument.

1. Brady is arguably the best QB to ever play. So if you are waiting for a QB as good as him, you’re gonna be waiting for a long time.

2. If you think the patriots offensive line has been “average at best” all these years. You are sadly mistaken.

Brady is a great QB but certainly not the best QB to ever play. Rodgers (at least before all the injuries) and Mahomes are objectively better and more talented, can do a lot more things than Brady can. Brady just plays in the best possible system and is very good with subtleties like timing, where to position himself in the pocket to take as few sacks as possible, etc. He can't throw a lefty completion 40 yards off one leg like Mahomes or dodge 3 defenders outside of the pocket for a mobile hail mary like Rodgers did twice in 2015, though.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Bortles is going to be a career backup from this point forward. Everyone has seen the lowlights. Bortles threw one into his own offensive lineman's helmet in the red zone (which fell into a defender's hands for an easy pick). Bortles sucks.

Bortles just signed for the minimum to be a backup. Dak is on the verge to sign a $30M deal.

@atlantacowboy thinking Bortles is better than Dak makes too much sense after seeing his posts over the years.

 

[HungryLion]

Brady is a great QB but certainly not the best QB to ever play. Rodgers (at least before all the injuries) and Mahomes are objectively better and more talented, can do a lot more things than Brady can. Brady just plays in the best possible system and is very good with subtleties like timing, where to position himself in the pocket to take as few sacks as possible, etc. He can't throw a lefty completion 40 yards off one leg like Mahomes or dodge 3 defenders outside of the pocket for a mobile hail mary like Rodgers did twice in 2015, though.

Did you just say that Mahomes is objectively better than Brady?

Seriously?

 

[Altestic]

Did you just say that Mahomes is objectively better than Brady?

Seriously?

He doesn't have the experience or legacy that Brady has, only because he's young. Give him time.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I listen to a few shows over a period of time . I may add a link later . The argument is that Dak is an average QB while Zeke, Cooper , Jaylon, and Byron Jones are all in the top 10 at their position. You would have to take Coopers stats over 9 games and project them over the full 16 to get the gist. The question being why lose players that are elite or have the potential to be elite over an average QB? Just pay that you can first and leave enough to FRANCHISE Dak. Someone could be left out like B Jones but you'd have everyone else paid. If Dak is picked up you get 2 first round picks or you work out a deal. If Dak balls out this season of course you'd pay him a big deal.

The question is what if we get the same production this season as these first three seasons? Is his stat line worth 30+ million?

Dak is a good QB but 30+ for some more of the same?

The key is Dak needs 16 games of what he did when Cooper got here. That's what we need and that's what we expect. If he can give me 16 games of the last 9. I'm happy to pay him. If he somehow reverts back to the first 7 then I'm sorry it's time to find another QB.

The BIG question is are you confident we will get the last 9 games Dak plus an off season with Cooper and the crew or that he just isn't enough? What do you guys think?

pay the others and franchise Dak. we know without Zeke, Dak was average. we know without cooper Dak was below average. he needs them more than they need him.

 

[HungryLion]

He doesn't have the experience or legacy that Brady has, only because he's young. Give him time.

Yeah that’s not what objectively means. And no he isn’t better than Brady yet.

 

[atlantacowboy]

I rest my case.

 

[Altestic]

Yeah that’s not what objectively means. And no he isn’t better than Brady yet.

He's objectively more talented. Brady has never been able to do the things with his legs and arm(s) from awkward positions that Mahomes and Rodgers have. That's a fact.

Brady is the best at... stay in the pocket at all times, make the right read quick, throw a quick, accurate strike 25 yards or less away. Not a good improv QB but rarely needs to improv because of his ability to get the ball out quick & accurately.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Sigh. Here's what you said.

Bortles lead his team to the AFC title game without his best rb , a mediocre OL and wr core........i'll take bortles any day over dak.

First of all, he had his best RB: Fournette was huge in those playoff games, as was the defense. Second, Bortles threw for 300 yards COMBINED in those 2 games; they were keeping the ball out of his hands as much as possible. In the 45-42 win against Pittsburgh, they had 4 rushing TD (three by Fournette) and a fumble return TD. They ran more than they threw in that game. Third, if he "led" them to the title game, then what about the other seasons of his career, like the year after, when he "led" them to 3-9 before he was benched for Cody Kessler.

 

[HungryLion]

He's objectively more talented. Brady has never been able to do the things with his legs and arm(s) from awkward positions that Mahomes and Rodgers have. That's a fact.

Brady is the best at... stay in the pocket at all times, make the right read quick, throw a quick, accurate strike 25 yards or less away. Not a good improv QB but rarely needs to improv because of his ability to get the ball out quick & accurately.

Sure he is more physically talented than Brady. But so are countless other QB’s. Cam Newton, RG3, heck one could easily argue that Dak Prescott is more athletic than Brady.

Athleticism is way down the list of what makes a QB great.

 

[Altestic]

Sure he is more physically talented than Brady. But so are countless other QB’s. Cam Newton, RG3, heck one could easily argue that Dak Prescott is more athletic than Brady.

Athleticism is way down the list of what makes a QB great.

The intangibles can be taught. What I look for most in a QB as a GM/scout looking for a new franchise QB is... height, athletic measurables, arm strength, arm strength, arm strength. Those are God-givens which are unlikely to ever be taken away barring serious injury. The rest of the traits (the non-athletic variety; pocket presence, accuracy, reads, situational risk etc.) are coachable, teachable, trainable. If you take someone unathletic, you might end up with a Brady or Marino every once in a blue moon but you're far more likely to end up with a Bradford, Palmer, Darnold, or Rosen type.

 

[HungryLion]

The intangibles can be taught. What I look for most in a QB as a GM/scout looking for a new franchise QB is... height, athletic measurables, arm strength, arm strength, arm strength. Those are God-givens which are unlikely to ever be taken away barring serious injury. The rest of the traits (the non-athletic variety; pocket presence, accuracy, reads, situational risk etc.) are coachable, teachable, trainable. If you take someone unathletic, you might end up with a Brady or Marino every once in a blue moon but you're far more likely to end up with a Bradford, Palmer, Darnold, or Rosen type.

You’re missing the point.

That’s great you look for all those things. But again Mahomes is not as good a QB as Brady yet.

Being able to throw left handed and throw the occasional no look pass means nothing for actually winning football games and championships.

 

[Diehardblues]

He's objectively more talented. Brady has never been able to do the things with his legs and arm(s) from awkward positions that Mahomes and Rodgers have. That's a fact.

Brady is the best at... stay in the pocket at all times, make the right read quick, throw a quick, accurate strike 25 yards or less away. Not a good improv QB but rarely needs to improv because of his ability to get the ball out quick & accurately.

There’s been more talented QB’s than Brady who turned out to be bust in the NFL.

I would agree that Rodgers and Mahomes are more athletically talented than Brady. But the evaluation and greatness of a QB doesn’t always revolve around their raw talent level.

 

[Altestic]

You’re missing the point.

That’s great you look for all those things. But again Mahomes is not as good a QB as Brady yet.

Being able to throw left handed and throw the occasional no look pass means nothing for actually winning football games and championships.

I guarantee you, barring major debilitating injuries to Mahomes, he will have the better career and at least as many rings as Brady. See you in 20+ years.