PED's are the 13th man?

[AbeBeta]

Actually they do,they are called performance enhancing drugs for a reason. They make you "get up and go" when you normally wouldn't or wouldn't want to.

If the entire D is on PEDs, how do you explain that only some have been suspended? You can't tell me that most of these suspensions aren't for weed.

 

[bsheeern]

Lol at comparing crystal meth to ADD drugs.

So you don't know what amphetamines are?

Like the other poster said, with all due respect, you have no earthly idea what you're talking about. Adderall like many other ADD or ADHD medicines come in different forms, doses and names. They can also be combined with other chemicals to create completely different effects.

Just because you've taken some Adderall and college doesn't by any means make you an expert and again as another person posted "you would be surprised".

Another huge thing that you're missing the boat on this is that all medicines affect people differently. And just because the players claimed it was Adderall does not mean they were taking Adderall. The test just showed up positive that it was an amphetamine. Amphetamines, come in all different shapes and sizes as I previously said.

I'll be glad when another's chime in because there really is no debate on this one. Amphetamines equal speed. And I don't just mean speed as in Fast. I mean the drug called speed.

 

[Nation]

The NFL does not reveal what drug a player fails his PED test with. Therefore players and agents use Adderall as a scapegoat as it doesn't have the same stigma of saying "Yeah he's loaded up on HGH and on the Ivan Drago vitamin program."

 

[bsheeern]

If the entire D is on PEDs, how do you explain that only some have been suspended? You can't tell me that most of these suspensions aren't for weed.

The NFL's drug test identifies what type of banned substance (e.g., anabolic steroid, amphetamine, and/or masking agent) was found in the system.

 

[17yearsandcounting]

So you don't know what amphetamines are?

Like the other poster said, with all due respect, you have no earthly idea what you're talking about. Adderall like many other ADD or ADHD medicines come in different forms, doses and names. They can also be combined with other chemicals to create completely different effects.

Just because you've taken some Adderall and college doesn't by any means make you an expert and again as another person posted "you would be surprised".

Another huge thing that you're missing the boat on this is that all medicines affect people differently. And just because the players claimed it was Adderall does not mean they were taking Adderall. The test just showed up positive that it was an amphetamine. Amphetamines, come in all different shapes and sizes as I previously said.

I'll be glad when another's chime in because there really is no debate on this one. Amphetamines equal speed. And I don't just mean speed as in Fast. I mean the drug called speed.

Thank you drug counselor, my life experiences mean nothing, and your vague descriptions mean everything. Thanks for clearing it up.

 

[17yearsandcounting]

Exactly, to compare the two is laughable.

The problem is that people watch our Div 3 defense where guys are just standing around and then they watch Seattle's defense and they look like Super humans so folks immediately think they must be juicing.

LOL

Yeah, there is a good bit of after the fact jealousy around these boards.

"We are close!"

"They are roiders!"

"We almost beat Denver!!"

I really dont care. Seattle stomped a mudhole in Garretts clowns last season in Wilson's second ever start. Lol.

 

[bsheeern]

The NFL does not reveal what drug a player fails his PED test with. Therefore players and agents use Adderall as a scapegoat as it doesn't have the same stigma of saying "Yeah he's loaded up on HGH and on the Ivan Drago vitamin program."

Exactly!!

The NFL, by virtue of a confidentiality provision in its contract with the NFLPA, never discloses the substance involved in a violation. If the public is alerted to a specific drug, i.e., Adderall, the information came by way of a leak or from the player's camp. Many believe players admit to usingAdderall, because there is less of a stigma associated with it versus other performance enhancing drugs.Many speculate Adderall is the go-to excuse, but believe that in reality the player is likely abusing other PED's.Even if the NFL knows the results and knows the player is lying, it is prohibited from releasing that information. When it comes to the NFL, there is no transparency.

Does Adderall alone create an unfair advantage? It might appear obvious to many, but some have argued many players take it on a recreational basis and it is not used as a PED. While it is a possibility, the fact remains Adderall is a performance-enhancing drug. Amphetamines work from the same transmitter as cocaine, which makes players feel grandiose. Moreover, Adderall allows players the extraordinary ability to focus and concentrate. It also increases alertness. In any event, although the league has separate policies for recreational and performance-enhancing drugs, both are common in the professional sports.

I know many NFL fans are under the impression the league monitors players closely and only a select few are cheating. But, in reality, we only hear about the ones who are caught. The culture of professional sports has led to common use of steroids and other performance-enhancing agents.

For example, athletes receive corticosteroid injections (i.e. cortisone) at an absurd rate. Because of the side effects, doctors typically recommend no more than two injections per year. But, in the NFL, we know many of these athletes get injections like it is an aspirin. Nobody considers it cheating, because we know these injections and pain killers are the only way players are able to perform. We can justify it and it is the norm within the NFL.

Another huge benefit of performance enhancing drugs is recovery time. There are steroids that virtually eliminate the adverse effects of the bodies healing. Athletes are able to recover faster and the reason is there is a steroid for that.

 

[coult44]

Who cares. Y'all are super homers if you think every team in the NFL and all the players aren't doing the same exact things...

 

[bsheeern]

Players with no prior offenses aren't given individual random tests for recreational drugs during the offseason, but everyone is subject to year-round tests for performance enhancers. And the penalties are harsher too: First-time offenders with drugs of abuse are directed to a treatment program, and not suspended till there's a second positive test. The first positive test for a performance-enhancing drug brings a four-game suspension.

 

[Hoofbite]

I don't doubt that adderall provides a benefit but it's perfectly legal if prescribed so the idea that taking adderall equates to "dirty player" needs a second thought.

Freeman was taking meds prescribed and didn't have a problem at all until he was switched to a new drug and hadn't gone through the process of getting medical clearance for that particular compound.

I really don't care either way if a player takes it because the difference between taking it legally and illegally is basically a single appointment at the doctors office.

You either ban all that stuff entirely even for diagnosed players (not even sure if that's legal) or you just live with it being prevalent in the league.

 

[bsheeern]

Thank you drug counselor, my life experiences mean nothing, and your vague descriptions mean everything. Thanks for clearing it up.

I guess that is your attempt to bow out of this convo without actually acknowledging you might be wrong.

 

[bsheeern]

I don't doubt that adderall provides a benefit but it's perfectly legal if prescribed so the idea that taking adderall equates to "dirty player" needs a second thought.

Freeman was taking meds prescribed and didn't have a problem at all until he was switched to a new drug and hadn't gone through the process of getting medical clearance for that particular compound.

I really don't care either way if a player takes it because the difference between taking it legally and illegally is basically a single appointment at the doctors office.

You either ban all that stuff entirely even for diagnosed players (not even sure if that's legal) or you just live with it being prevalent in the league.

Only recently did the players' association begin its extensive awareness push, which culminated in a memo to agents on, telling them to inform players that they shouldn't use Adderall without proper authorization. (It's hard to get this authorization: A prescription alone is not enough. The NFL grants exemptions only if the pills are prescribed by a psychiatrist or an M.D. working alongside a psychologist. Even then, the psychiatrist's diagnosis has to pass a panel of NFL-selected specialists.)

 

[17yearsandcounting]

Who cares. Y'all are super homers if you think every team in the NFL and all the players aren't doing the same exact things...

The same team that was letting Sam Hurd run a league wide drug ring from the locker room, the same team that were partying like rockstars and winning championships.

It is cute though. Those big bad Seahawks and their ADD medications! Evil! Only reason they won!

 

[koolaid]

1. I seriously doubt the net chemical intake of the Hawks roster is statistically different from any other NFL team. This is just classic hate at the current champion team. You see it every season.

2. For the players which ARE attempting to use this as a "performance enhancer", If they do not have ADHD I doubt they are using a proper doses to limit the negative side effects of the drug

3. Every generation of professional sports has guys who try to gain an edge over the competition. This is a pretty mild form of that IMO.

 

[Nova]

1. I seriously doubt the net chemical intake of the Hawks roster is statistically different from any other NFL team. This is just classic hate at the current champion team. You see it every season.

2. For the players which ARE attempting to use this as a "performance enhancer", If they do not have ADHD I doubt they are using a proper doses to limit the negative side effects of the drug

3. Every generation of professional sports has guys who try to gain an edge over the competition. This is a pretty mild form of that IMO.

Since it's not really speculative (The Hawks have been busted a few times recently), I don't think this is classic hate. Commenting on what we have been told does not make someone a hater. Notice, there are actually very few posts here that claim that the Hawks are the sum of PEDs and luck or anything crazy like that.

And like you say, this is a new generation trying to gain an edge. Therefore it's interesting to talk about. It's potentially a different approach to gain an advantage mentally rather than physically.

 

[bark]

Who cares. Y'all are super homers if you think every team in the NFL and all the players aren't doing the same exact things...

We need to adjust our dosage

 

[bsheeern]

Since it's not really speculative (The Hawks have been busted a few times recently), I don't think this is classic hate. Commenting on what we have been told does not make someone a hater. Notice, there are actually very few posts here that claim that the Hawks are the sum of PEDs and luck or anything crazy like that.

And like you say, this is a new generation trying to gain an edge. Therefore it's interesting to talk about. It's potentially a different approach to gain an advantage mentally rather than physically.

Very well stated.

The Browner and Thurmond suspensions are the seventh and eighth for the Seahawks in the last three seasons, (the Highest in the NFL).

How many Cowboys have been suspended?

Don't forget you have to get caught a second time to actually be suspended.

 

[coult44]

The same team that was letting Sam Hurd run a league wide drug ring from the locker room, the same team that were partying like rockstars and winning championships.

It is cute though. Those big bad Seahawks and their ADD medications! Evil! Only reason they won!

Wow, there are two of us who actually think...

 

[bsheeern]

Wow oh wow....

Most PED suspensions from 2010 - June 2013
TEAMBANS
Seahawks5
Broncos4
Giants4
Source: ESPN Stats & Information

 

[AbeBeta]

The NFL's drug test identifies what type of banned substance (e.g., anabolic steroid, amphetamine, and/or masking agent) was found in the system.

It does.

That information, however, is not released to the public.

All you got is speculation