Per Mac Engle: Rivera has not heard from Jerry yet

[GimmeTheBall!]

It's cuz he knows he's hiring Phillips already. I heard that on my HAM radio.

Confirms my thesis that he's a bona-fide geek!

:laugh2:

 

[Om]

If he does not get a HC job this season than he has to go with the DC Job.

And once again...there is talk that he wants to go to a team to get out from underneath Lovie's shadow.

He wants people to see that he is the one that is doing a great job as DC and have no mistakes or thoughts that he is just under Lovie and doing what Lovie says therefore not getting the proper credit.

Plus again...His contract is UP in Chicago...he now officially does not have a coaching contract with the Bears. If they try to low ball him why would he stay when he could be a DC elsewhere for more money.

Right now the Cowboys are the only team without a HC so if he does not get the HC job here than he will be a DC somewhere. Why not go to a place that pays well and helps his chance at getting recognition for his defense.

All sounds reasonable enough, BP. But it leaves questions.

I can only speak for myself, but I've never once doubted that he is the driving force behind that Chicago D. Him and Urlacher, anyway. I suspect people around the league see that as well. Still ... if the Bears really ARE cheap and aren't willing to pay him market value, I can understand why he'd have to consider leaving.

But if he's got seriousl aspirations of becoming a HC any time soon, is the situation in Dallas an attractive one? If the Norv or Wade angle pans out he'd be coming in with a brand new head coach in front of him, which you have to figure is at the very least a 2-year stint even if the new HC fails badly. More if he doesn't. And unless I've utterly misread the tea leaves, the guy first in line to get the job after Norv or Wade if/when they did fail would be Jason Garrett.

The only way it seems to makes sense for Rivera is if his real motivation would be to get a couple more years of making a name for himself (and getting paid handsome ) in hopes of landing another HC job elswhere ... but he'd be risking trying to do so in a VERY unusual situation with a head coaching situation with all kinds of variables attached that might not be the most conducive to real team success.

Rivera's "hot" right now in the first place because the team he's working for is a SB team. He'd be taking a risk IMHO chasing some dollars going to a situation where the odds of continuing the level of team success he's enjoyed the last couple of years have to be considered far less favorable.

 

[Om]

You're the one who asked the nonsense question.

How about we don't get huffy when people respond with some nonsense-ribbing?

I've never been "huffy" in my life.

If you want to talk about Al Saunders circumstances last year, fine, ask me sometime when that's an actual story or germane to the discussion. But it's another discussion entirely. The facts in that one are markedly different, as even a cursory look should tell you.

As to whether my questions is/are nonsense ... so far the only reasons you've given me for thinking that is that you happen think they are. Forgive me for looking for a slightly more compelling case. I came asking for the thought process Cowboy fans are thinking Rivera would have in coming to Dallas as a DC under the present head coaching flux situation. I've asked some pretty basic questions that I would expect you guys would have as well.

Did I come to the wrong place?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

All sounds reasonable enough, BP. But it leaves questions.

I can only speak for myself, but I've never once doubted that he is the driving force behind that Chicago D. Him and Urlacher, anyway. I suspect people around the league see that as well. Still ... if the Bears really ARE cheap and aren't willing to pay him market value, I can understand why he'd have to consider leaving.

But if he's got seriousl aspirations of becoming a HC any time soon, is the situation in Dallas an attractive one? If the Norv or Wade angle pans out he'd be coming in with a brand new head coach in front of him, which you have to figure is at the very least a 2-year stint even if the new HC fails badly. More if he doesn't. And unless I've utterly misread the tea leaves, the guy first in line to get the job after Norv or Wade if/when they did fail would be Jason Garrett.

[/b]The only way it seems to makes sense for Rivera is if his real motivation would be to get a couple more years of making a name for himself (and getting paid handsome ) in hopes of landing another HC job elswhere[/b] ... but he'd be risking trying to do so in a VERY unusual situation with a head coaching situation with all kinds of variables attached that might not be the most conducive to real team success.

Rivera's "hot" right now in the first place because the team he's working for is a SB team. He'd be taking a risk IMHO chasing some dollars going to a situation where the odds of continuing the level of team success he's enjoyed the last couple of years have to be considered far less favorable.

That is the major part of the idea, or the one that is floating out there.

IF he comes to Dallas as DC when the team has Norv as HC and Jason as OC...than if he, Rivera, can make this defense great it will all be his doing...no Lovie shadow to be standing under.

Plus the idea that he only has one chance at a HC gig right now, that is with the cowboys as they are the only team without a HC at this moment.

Chances are after getting Lovie's contract situated the Bears will not want to dole out too much more for Rivera.

SO...Rivera has to go somewhere. Why not go to a team that has some good defensive players, get paid well...produce a good defense and hope that he gets a HC job in the near future?

I honestly don't see why it is so hard to grasp the idea.

NOW this does not mean he will not return to Chicago...maybe Chicago actually does give him more money. But by your own idea of Dallas grooming someone else to be the HC...why would he stay in Chicago when everyone already knows they got Lovie and want to wrap him up longterm?

Just something to think about.

 

[superpunk]

If you want to talk about Al Saunders circumstances last year, fine, ask me sometime when that's an actual story or germane to the discussion. But it's another discussion entirely. The facts in that one are markedly different, as even a cursory look should tell you.

I don't want to talk about it. I didn't say anything about Saunders. I realize that he has absolutely nothing to do with the Cowboys search.

But...

As to whether my questions is/are nonsense ... so far the only reasons you've given me for thinking that is that you happen think they are. Forgive me for looking for a slightly more compelling case. I came asking for the thought process Cowboy fans are thinking Rivera would have in coming to Dallas as a DC under the present head coaching flux situation. I've asked some pretty basic questions that I would expect you guys would have as well.

Did I come to the wrong place?

Only one question was nonsense, and it was leading,as you acknowledged. How do you think people feel about a guy making a move for cash, considering he no longer has a contract? We live in free agency era. This is no surprise for players or coaches.

Ok, not huffy.....condescending.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I've never been "huffy" in my life.

If you want to talk about Al Saunders circumstances last year, fine, ask me sometime when that's an actual story or germane to the discussion. But it's another discussion entirely. The facts in that one are markedly different, as even a cursory look should tell you.

As to whether my questions is/are nonsense ... so far the only reasons you've given me for thinking that is that you happen think they are. Forgive me for looking for a slightly more compelling case. I came asking for the thought process Cowboy fans are thinking Rivera would have in coming to Dallas as a DC under the present head coaching flux situation. I've asked some pretty basic questions that I would expect you guys would have as well.

Did I come to the wrong place?

I don't think you came to the wrong place.

However people have been giving you the same story of why it is believed he would come here.

I am not really sure what else could be said as it seems like you are just not buying what answers are being given.

I mean if you don't believe it and don't think the ideas are good enough for you, I am not sure what else could be said to convince you.

 

[Om]

That is the major part of the idea, or the one that is floating out there.

IF he comes to Dallas as DC when the team has Norv as HC and Jason as OC...than if he, Rivera, can make this defense great it will all be his doing...no Lovie shadow to be standing under.

Plus the idea that he only has one chance at a HC gig right now, that is with the cowboys as they are the only team without a HC at this moment.

Chances are after getting Lovie's contract situated the Bears will not want to dole out too much more for Rivera.

SO...Rivera has to go somewhere. Why not go to a team that has some good defensive players, get paid well...produce a good defense and hope that he gets a HC job in the near future?

I honestly don't see why it is so hard to grasp the idea.

NOW this does not mean he will not return to Chicago...maybe Chicago actually does give him more money. But by your own idea of Dallas grooming someone else to be the HC...why would he stay in Chicago when everyone already knows they got Lovie and want to wrap him up longterm?

Just something to think about.

I have thought about it.

That's what this part if that post was going to:

Rivera's "hot" right now in the first place because the team he's working for is a SB team. He'd be taking a risk IMHO chasing some dollars going to a situation where the odds of continuing the level of team success he's enjoyed the last couple of years have to be considered far less favorable.

If you were Rivera, would you be concerned about the situation in Dallas---learning curves associated with a new head coach (in this case with question marks already attached to him), new OC (and resulting new or revised scheme) and adjustment period for his OWN defense---maybe being something of a risk?

Ultimately that's all I'm asking.

 

[Om]

I don't want to talk about it. I didn't say anything about Saunders. I realize that he has absolutely nothing to do with the Cowboys search.

But...



Only one question was nonsense, and it was leading,as you acknowledged. How do you think people feel about a guy making a move for cash, considering he no longer has a contract? We live in free agency era. This is no surprise for players or coaches.

Ok, not huffy.....condescending.

I have definitely been accused of being condescending on the other hand. If that's the case here, apologies. It ain't intentional. I'm looking for answers and figuring this is the place to come for them. I figure direct is the best approach.

I get the money part. Really. We all have our price.

Now I'm wondering about the other parts. If you were in Rivera's shoes, given the circumstances in Dallas right now, would you consider it a good move?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Jerry decided he already had a defensive staff that couldn't locate the back coming out of the backfield.

Boy, isn't that the truth...

God almighty-- they looked like us out there.

 

[the big 88]

the argument goes that a) he doesn't get credit for the D b/c Lovie is there and b) the Bears are cheap.

Of course, he is getting tons of criticism today for the D, so I think that blows a. The Bears however remain cheap.

I didn't really think about it that way, lovie is to blame for the D as well. I think the main blame should be on lovie, he should have yanked grossman after the dolphins game early in the season. He was just to stubborn to admitt he had chosen the wrong qb for the job. They got lucky or they got saved by the defense all year long. Luck ran out yesterday though!

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I have thought about it.

That's what this part if that post was going to:

If you were Rivera, would you be concerned about the situation in Dallas---learning curves associated with a new head coach (in this case with question marks already attached to him), new OC (and resulting new or revised scheme) and adjustment period for his OWN defense---maybe being something of a risk?

Ultimately that's all I'm asking.

He was also hot last year...got some interviews but still did not get a HC job.


Some believe that he may not get the full respect he deserves if he is under Lovies shadow.

Now I understand what you say about taking a chance on different players and such.

However I ask you. If a team is cheap, if they are not working with you to give you a new contract, if they are worried about getting the HC's contract ironed out but still basically low balling him as well.

What makes you, or Rivera himself, think the bears would give him what he feels is fair?

So he finds himself in this position...

No more HC jobs available except the Cowboys and it seems Norv is the guy that will get the job.

No contract talks between you and your team even though they have had ample time to work on one.

You feel as you will not get a legit chance to prove yourself under Lovie's Shadow.

What do you do?

You go with the best offer and chance you can get.

I don't know if you don't get it, or just gloss over it. But he has NO CONTRACT right now with the bears...it has expired.

So either the Bears pony up big and he gets what he thinks he deserves...or they try to low ball him and he does not get what he deserves. Chances are option A is not going to happen.

Do you stay with a team that tries to low ball you?

 

[Om]

If that's what it comes down to, BP, I guess in his shoes I'd have to seriously consider gritting my teeth and rolling the dice in Dallas. The word "Faustian" might be echoing around in my brain though.

I do wonder, on the other hand ... now that the SB is over, if maybe there aren't other teams out there dialing his number to see if he's maybe interested in replacing their current DC. I guess that's the only unexplored variable in this discussion.

 

[the big 88]

If not rivera who do we go after then? Singletary?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

If that's what it comes down to, BP, I guess in his shoes I'd have to seriously consider gritting my teeth and rolling the dice in Dallas. The word "Faustian" might be echoing around in my brain though.

I do wonder, on the other hand ... now that the SB is over, if maybe there aren't other teams out there dialing his number to see if he's maybe interested in replacing their current DC. I guess that's the only unexplored variable in this discussion.

He would be crazy not to explore those options if they come up.

Really he does not have too many options as I honestly don't think the bears are an option for him any longer. I doubt they would give him what anyone would consider fair market value on a new contract.

It seems they are already 2-3 million apart on the Lovie situation.

It would be a different scenario if Rivera were still under contract...but he is not.

See...I would like Wade to be the DC...but he is under contract already and could only make the move to HC.

For cowboys fans...it appears at this point that it is Rivera or Todd B/Paul P. (already on the team) as the next DC. Unless Norv or Jerry have others in mind.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

If not rivera who do we go after then? Singletary?

Singletary already squashed the idea of coming to Dallas as a DC per an article.

Also I am not sure he could make a lateral move like that since he is already an Assistant HC.

 

[1fisher]

At the risk of opening a can of worms ... I apparently missed the discussion as to why in the world Rivera would leave a Super Bowl team for a lateral transfer, to coach under a widely considered much lesser head coach, on a less accomplished team. Particularly when the Head Coach-In-Waiting Jason Garret is already in place on said less accomplished team.

Honest question from an outsider. I can't see what's in it for Rivera.

OM, Didn't you know Rivera is "young and hungry"..... that makes him a worthy candidate around these parts according to some posters......

young and hungry = Next DC head coach!

 

[Om]

OM, Didn't you know Rivera is "young and hungry"..... that makes him a worthy candidate around these parts according to some posters......

young and hungry = Next DC head coach!

My 15-year-old son sure fits that bill, brudda. Can I call JJ on his behalf?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

My 15-year-old son sure fits that bill, brudda. Can I call JJ on his behalf?

I think you have already planted enough spies. :

 

[Om]

I think you have already planted enough spies. :

Damn.

Busted.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Damn.

Busted.

You guys, over on ES, talking draft yet?

Normally that would be all we would be talking about around these parts, but with the whole Coaching change and stuff it is put on hold for a few.

Ugg...the offseason sucks when you only really follow football.

I catch a little college basketball from time to time but other than that...ugg.