Per Wades Presser Today Carpenter Getting Snaps as the 3rd OLB

[dallasfan]

Why does everyone feel like Bobby Carpenter is better suited outside? Instead of soley being the back-up behind Greg Ellis, his first NFL coach, moved him Inside, and it wasn't untill he had no other choice (Al Singleton !?) that he was moved outside. Now his 2nd NFL coach starts him off inside, and moves him to the 3rd OLB spot.

Let him learn the MLB position, after he's established you can move him around ala Vrabel

 

[tomson75]

Why does everyone feel like Bobby Carpenter is better suited outside? Instead of soley being the back-up behind Greg Ellis, his first NFL coach, moved him Inside, and it wasn't untill he had no other choice (Al Singleton !?) that he was moved outside. Now his 2nd NFL coach starts him off inside, and moves him to the 3rd OLB spot.

Let him learn the MLB position, after he's established you can move him around ala Vrabel

I don't think "everyone" thinks he's suited better to the outside. I'll let Wade decide.

I'd like to see him stay mostly inside, personally, now that we've got spencer. It's his versatility that intrigues me...nothing wrong with a guy that can play ILB, OLB, and nickel DE. Trading him for a CB right now would be a tremendous error IMO. Although I'm not against finding another CB.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No, he stated in the past that if Ellis wasn't ready to go, then at that point (i.e., the point at which he knew Ellis wasn't ready to go) he'd move Carpenter back outside. Of course he hasn't been getting snaps at OLB up until this point.

The remarkable thing about this statement is that it tells us that Ellis will not be ready by Week 1 (actually we already knew kinda knew that).

I heart you, because you "get it."

Like I said, I havent seen that. I may have missed it but you saying this after your little spat with Stautner is pure irony.

i remember Wade saying that he has been planning as if Ellis will be ready and didnt go any farther than that. Youre right though it does show that things have changed.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Why does everyone feel like Bobby Carpenter is better suited outside? Instead of soley being the back-up behind Greg Ellis, his first NFL coach, moved him Inside, and it wasn't untill he had no other choice (Al Singleton !?) that he was moved outside. Now his 2nd NFL coach starts him off inside, and moves him to the 3rd OLB spot.

Let him learn the MLB position, after he's established you can move him around ala Vrabel

Who siad what he was better at? Fact is that he proved at the end of last season that he could play outside. He has shown as well this preseason he can play inside too. If the coaches think he can contribute at both spots and it helps get a contributor on the field then great.

 

[dallasfan]

How long did it take Adalius Thomas to break into the starting lineup? Four? Five years?

AT broke into the starting lineup in 02' (third season) starting 12 of 16 games, and in 03' (4th season) he started 11 of 13 games, which is pretty good for 5th round pick from Southern Miss.

 

[dallasfan]

Who siad what he was better at? Fact is that he proved at the end of last season that he could play outside.

Fact is he hasn't proven anything yet. Everyone wants to point to the Seattle game like he turned the corner. Fact is, almost every draft bust probably has a 2 or 3 game stretch where people thought they proved they could play. Do I think Carpenter will be a bust, no, but I think everyone keeps moving him inside for a reason, and we should let him learn 1 position at a time.

 

[dallasfan]

nothing wrong with a guy that can play ILB, OLB, and nickel DE. Trading him for a CB right now would be a tremendous error IMO. Although I'm not against finding another CB.

I am 100% against trading him, and would love it if he became versitile enough to play both.

 

[theogt]

AT broke into the starting lineup in 02' (third season) starting 12 of 16 games, and in 03' (4th season) he started 11 of 13 games, which is pretty good for 5th round pick from Southern Miss.

He was a 6th rounder and I think the NFL GMs were absolutely off their rocker that year for letting him fall that far. When you look at his Combine measurables and production in college, the guy should have been a early first day pick -- possibly even a first rounder.

I didn't remember him starting as early as his 3rd year, though.

 

[tomson75]

Fact is he hasn't proven anything yet. Everyone wants to point to the Seattle game like he turned the corner. Fact is, almost every draft bust probably has a 2 or 3 game stretch where people thought they proved they could play. Do I think Carpenter will be a bust, no, but I think everyone keeps moving him inside for a reason, and we should let him learn 1 position at a time.

That is hardly a fact. I do agree that Carpenter hasn't proved himself yet, but he's done nothing to warrant being called a bust other than not start...much to the dismay of the knee jerks.

As far as one position at a time, I think that would be nice if it weren't needed, but we've got some places that need to be addressed. Obviously, Wade feels that Carpenter is the best (or might be the best) fit for a #2 ILB, Nickel DE, #3 OLB combo. If he's the best player for the job, he's got to be on the field...despite any detriment to his learning process. If he's not, hes not.

 

[tomson75]

I am 100% against trading him, and would love it if he became versitile enough to play both.

That would be nice.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fact is he hasn't proven anything yet. Everyone wants to point to the Seattle game like he turned the corner. Fact is, almost every draft bust probably has a 2 or 3 game stretch where people thought they proved they could play. Do I think Carpenter will be a bust, no, but I think everyone keeps moving him inside for a reason, and we should let him learn 1 position at a time.

he stated from the Atlanta game on and played well consistently he just happened to have his best game in the Playoffs. Normally when players get better as they go along its a good thing. It also is an indication that hes learned how to play OLB.

have you been watching him the preseason at ILB? Does he look lost to you? Did he look lost to you at the end of last year at OLB? If hes versatile thats good for the whole team and for him.

 

[dallasfan]

That is hardly a fact. I do agree that Carpenter hasn't proved himself yet, but he's done nothing to warrant being called a bust other than not start...much to the dismay of the knee jerks.

I used that example to show how little he's proven, and even said I don't think he's a bust

 

[tomson75]

I used that example to show how little he's proven, and even said I don't think he's a bust

I know...I didn't mean to sound accusatory.

I just disagreed with the "every bust" plays a few good games here or there theory. Many don't.

 

[HopeCowboyFan]

At some point Carpenter needs to make a role for himself. To date he is struggling to be 3rd string at a position. Not what you would have hoped for on a top 20 pick.

He is better suited outside and the Ellis injury may be an opportunity for Carp to carve out a role this year.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

At some point Carpenter needs to make a role for himself. To date he is struggling to be 3rd string at a position. Not what you would have hoped for on a top 20 pick.

He is better suited outside and the Ellis injury may be an opportunity for Carp to carve out a role this year.

How has he shown to be struggling? He is backing up tow starters and guess who plays when they get a blow? He has played well when given the opportunity and i definitely think the staff has a role for him as the top backup across the LB corps as well as nickel rusher.

Burnett has struggled for two years and had a single good game and now hes the second coming of Donnie Edwards? Give me a break.

Heres an idea: Carpenter doesnt need to fail in order for Burnett to succeed. They both have been playing well and its a trend i hope to see continue.

 

[tomson75]

At some point Carpenter needs to make a role for himself. To date he is struggling to be 3rd string at a position. Not what you would have hoped for on a top 20 pick.

He is better suited outside and the Ellis injury may be an opportunity for Carp to carve out a role this year.

Ummm....that's not even his primary position. Your opinion that he's better suited outside is just that, an opinion. If he's struggling to do anything, its become a starting ILB. There's little to no chance of him starting outside...why make that his primary role when he could actually start elswhere? Makes zero sense...especially if you're worried about where he was taken in the draft. As if that matters on the field.

He is carving out a role. Actually, several.

 

[dallasfan]

Burnett has struggled for three years

That's quit an accomplishment for someone who's been in the league for 2 years.

 

[Idgit]

At some point Carpenter needs to make a role for himself. To date he is struggling to be 3rd string at a position. Not what you would have hoped for on a top 20 pick.

He is better suited outside and the Ellis injury may be an opportunity for Carp to carve out a role this year.

Third in a rotation is not the same as third string. And he's not better suited outside in this defense, he's the next best-suited for the outside on our roster now that it looks like Ellis' return will be delayed.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That's quit an accomplishment for someone who's been in the league for 2 years.

I fixed it. I guess it just seemed like forever since i ever saw him do anything. I keed i keed. He had a stellar games last weekend and hope that continues.

Its readily apparent whats going on here. We are now going to have the Burnett/Carpenter/James camps all crowing for their guy.

Barber and Jones just isnt enough i guess.

 

[tomson75]

I fixed it. I guess it just seemed like forever since i ever saw him do anything. I keed i keed. He had a stellar games last weekend and hope that continues.

Its readily apparent whats going on here. We are now going to have the Burnett/Carpenter/James camps all crowing for their guy.

Barber and Jones just isnt enough i guess.

Lol...probably right. I don't really care who it is...but if it turns out to be James, I'll be terrified. His play is certainly improved (in two preseason games), but I'm still offended by his play last year. He's got an uphill battle to win me over. As of right now, I still see him as a run stopper only.