Perception: Wilson v. Romo

[percyhoward]

Seahawks have a better defense...

An elite defense. If Seattle's opponent scores more than 24 points, it's a loss for the Seahawks.

They are 0-7 with Wilson in those games.

 

[KJJ]

This reminds me when Ben R was the flavor of the week. I said it then and it has proven true...let's see what Ben R does without a top defense.

This year he was only sacked 33 times, he had the #3 rusher in the NFL, the #1 WR in the NFL, and the #9 TE. This was the most productive offense Ben R has ever had as they were ranked #7 in points and #2 in yards.

His defense on the other hand was ranked #18 and the Steelers were dispatched in quick order in the wild card round. What happened to clutch?

Ben R has had a great defense and had great success, Ben R has had great defense and no success, Ben R has yet to have a crap defense and have success. Weird right?

Although Roethlisberger had the #1 defense in the league in 2008 he still had to bring the Steelers from behind in the closing minutes of the SB. His #1 defense got shredded by Kurt Warner for 377 yards and 3 TD's. Warner completed just over 72% of his passes in that game and his 64 yard scoring strike to Larry Fitzgerald put the Steelers behind with only 2:37 left. The game was in Roethlisberger's hands at that point and he led the Steelers on a great 8 play 78 yard championship drive to pull that game out.

 

[gbrittain]

Although Roethlisberger had the #1 defense in the league in 2008 he still had to bring the Steelers from behind in the closing minutes of the SB. His #1 defense got shredded by Kurt Warner for 377 yards and 3 TD's. Warner completed just over 72% of his passes in that game and his 64 yard scoring strike to Larry Fitzgerald put the Steelers behind with only 2:37 left. The game was in Roethlisberger's hands at that point and he led the Steelers on a great 8 play 78 yard championship drive to pull that game out.

I was more focusing on the totality of an NFL year.

Arizona had the #28 defense in points allowed not a great defense by any stretch but Ben R did not do much of anything worth noting until that exceptional last drive which I have always given him major props for.

I would take Kurt's performance over Ben R's in that Super Bowl everyday and twice on Sunday but Ben R gets the glory that is the way it goes. Kurt was ripping the #1 defense in the NFL and put a TD on the board with the game on the line as you mentioned mean while Ben R showed up for the last drive pretty much. Ben R had a great drive and Kurt had a great game.

 

[KJJ]

I was more focusing on the totality of an NFL year.

Arizona had the #28 defense in points allowed not a great defense by any stretch but Ben R did not do much of anything worth noting until that exceptional last drive which I have always given him major props for.

I would take Kurt's performance over Ben R's in that Super Bowl everyday and twice on Sunday but Ben R gets the glory that is the way it goes. Kurt was ripping the #1 defense in the NFL and put a TD on the board with the game on the line as you mentioned mean while Ben R showed up for the last drive pretty much. Ben R had a great drive and Kurt had a great game.

The year Roethlisberger won his last SB in 08 the Steelers had arguably the worst OL in the league which contributed to Ben being sacked 48 times that season. He also had no running which caused him to take all kinds of punishment. He battled an assortment of injuries and was carted off the field late that season. All season Roethlisberger was having to stay alive and extend plays which led to some of his sacks and injuries. He's another QB who FANS on this board attempt to chop down because early on he never put up the big numbers Romo was putting up. As the Steelers defense has gotten worse Ben's numbers have gone up and Wilson's numbers will go up as well once Seattle's defense begins to decline.

I wouldn't take Warners performance in that SB despite all the yards and TD's because his one big mistake turned into a 100 yard int return for a TD that helped cost the Cardinals that game. I'll take any QB's performance that includes a game winning drive in the final 2 minutes regardless how many yards and TD's they threw for. Showing up for the last drive is what made Joe Montana so great. He didn't play very well vs the Cowboys in the 81 title game tossing 3 int's but showed up when the game was on the line in the final 3 minutes. That tells me a lot about what a QB is made of when they're able to get it done when it's down to do or die.

 

[gbrittain]

The year Roethlisberger won his last SB in 08 the Steelers had arguably the worst OL in the league which contributed to Ben being sacked 48 times that season. He also had no running which caused him to take all kinds of punishment. He battled an assortment of injuries and was carted off the field late that season. All season Roethlisberger was having to stay alive and extend plays which led to some of his sacks and injuries. He's another QB who FANS on this board attempt to chop down because early on he never put up the big numbers Romo was putting up. As the Steelers defense has gotten worse Ben's numbers have gone up and Wilson's numbers will go up as well once Seattle's defense begins to decline.

I wouldn't take Warners performance in that SB despite all the yards and TD's because his one big mistake turned into a 100 yard int return for a TD that helped cost the Cardinals that game. I'll take any QB's performance that includes a game winning drive in the final 2 minutes regardless how many yards and TD's they threw for. Showing up for the last drive is what made Joe Montana so great. He didn't play very well vs the Cowboys in the 81 title game tossing 3 int's but showed up when the game was on the line in the final 3 minutes. That tells me a lot about what a QB is made of when they're able to get it done when it's down to do or die.

We can agree to disagree on the specifics of the game.

Again, as you mentioned no running game, beat up and etcetera equal Super Bowl victory. This year his offense was eons better no Super Bowl not even a playoff win. Should we blame Ben R for this year? Or perhaps blame the crappy defense?

Defense matters as evidenced by Ben R being able to win a Super Bowl with a so so offense supporting cast but money with the defense. I have tried to make this point for years but we are seeing it all unfold before our very eyes.

 

[KJJ]

We can agree to disagree on the specifics of the game.

Again, as you mentioned no running game, beat up and etcetera equal Super Bowl victory. This year his offense was eons better no Super Bowl not even a playoff win. Should we blame Ben R for this year? Or perhaps blame the crappy defense?

Defense matters as evidenced by Ben R being able to win a Super Bowl with a so so offense supporting cast but money with the defense. I have tried to make this point for years but we are seeing it all unfold before our very eyes.

You can't win a championship without a solid defense it will eventually catch up with a team regardless how good their offense is. Some of the most explosive offenses in NFL history such as the 2007 Pats and 2013 Broncos didn't win a championship due to their defense not being able to hold in the SB. Even with a solid defense a team still needs a steady QB to win it all. The average QB's who've won SB's all played steady virtually mistake free football in the SB. Defense definitely matters but if a QB is turning the ball over and can't keep their offense moving the chains it puts a lot of pressure on the defense. As great as Seattle's defense is they were down 16-0 to Green Bay when Wilson was turning the ball over and not playing well.

 

[gbrittain]

You can't win a championship without a solid defense it will eventually catch up with a team regardless how good their offense is. Some of the most explosive offenses in NFL history such as the 2007 Pats and 2013 Broncos didn't win a championship due to their defense not being able to hold in the SB. Even with a solid defense a team still needs a steady QB to win it all. The average QB's who've won SB's all played steady virtually mistake free football in the SB. Defense definitely matters but if a QB is turning the ball over and can't keep their offense moving the chains it puts a lot of pressure on the defense. As great as Seattle's defense is they were down 16-0 to Green Bay when Wilson was turning the ball over and not playing well.

I totally agree with this.

 

[Fredd]

so, the way I look at it, even when we win SB, and Sean Lee wins the MVP (just being poetic with it being the 50th and it matching his number and all), romo still will get crucified on his first int of the following season....who cares?...certainly not ol' Fredd....I say we find out

btw, they aren't going to use roman numeral "L" for this superbowl? I was hoping to get a post SB winning shirt with the superman shield and an L (instead of the S)...I guess I can live with the "50"

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/04/nfl-ditches-roman-numerals-for-super-bowl-50-logo/

 

[DandyDon1722]

We can agree to disagree on the specifics of the game.

Again, as you mentioned no running game, beat up and etcetera equal Super Bowl victory. This year his offense was eons better no Super Bowl not even a playoff win. Should we blame Ben R for this year? Or perhaps blame the crappy defense?

Defense matters as evidenced by Ben R being able to win a Super Bowl with a so so offense supporting cast but money with the defense. I have tried to make this point for years but we are seeing it all unfold before our very eyes.

And a 26 QB rating in a Super Bowl.

 

[KJJ]

And a 26 QB rating in a Super Bowl.

Roethlisbergers 22.6 passer rating vs Seattle in the SB is one of the reasons why I don't put as much stock in passer ratings as some. Ben has won 2 SB's where the opposing QB had the higher passer rating but someone on this board keeps trying to tell me the passer rating stat correlates to winning more than any other stat.

 

[khiladi]

An elite defense. If Seattle's opponent scores more than 24 points, it's a loss for the Seahawks.

They are 0-7 with Wilson in those games.

This fact is consistently ignored and I've quoted it multiple times. I think it's actually 1-8 now, which is what I quoted.

Even against the Packers, on that final drive, Wilson had single coverage both times. It's not like the Packers were respecting his ability to make plays. If that was Romo, they'd be in two-deep coverage.

 

[tyke1doe]

I was more focusing on the totality of an NFL year.

Arizona had the #28 defense in points allowed not a great defense by any stretch but Ben R did not do much of anything worth noting until that exceptional last drive which I have always given him major props for.

I would take Kurt's performance over Ben R's in that Super Bowl everyday and twice on Sunday but Ben R gets the glory that is the way it goes. Kurt was ripping the #1 defense in the NFL and put a TD on the board with the game on the line as you mentioned mean while Ben R showed up for the last drive pretty much. Ben R had a great drive and Kurt had a great game.

Kurt also threw a pick six at the one yard line, a play that likely cost the Cardinals a Super Bowl. Just saying.

 

[DFWJC]

Kurt also threw a pick six at the one yard line, a play that likely cost the Cardinals a Super Bowl. Just saying.

Or you could say that the Pittsburgh defense won the game for them on that play

Point being, one play or drive wins or loses a game single-handedly.
It might help or hurt, but one play is never the only reason.
I realize that you already know that...just sayin

 

[tyke1doe]

Or you could say that the Pittsburgh defense won the game for them on that play

Point being, one play or drive wins or loses a game single-handedly.
It might help or hurt, but one play is never the only reason.
I realize that you already know that...just sayin

Fair enough.

 

[percyhoward]

This fact is consistently ignored and I've quoted it multiple times. I think it's actually 1-8 now, which is what I quoted.

I got the 0-7 from profootballreference, so I assume it's up to date.

But either way...