Perception: Wilson v. Romo

[khiladi]

That 1-8 is due to being a run oriented team that has an average receiving corp which is why they don't win many high scoring games. How many times do I have to repeat that? Don't avoid the question on Aikman answer it! Wilson is a more productive passer than Troy Aikman. In 3 seasons Wilson has had 2 seasons where he passed for more yards than Aikman did in his entire 12 year career. Aikman never surpassed 23 TD passes in a season and Wilson had 26 TD's his first 2 seasons. Aikman had a career 81.6 passer rating and Wilson currently has a 98.6 career passer rating. Aikman only tossed 31 TD's his first 3 seasons compared to 72 TD's for Wilson in his first 3 seasons. Aikman's numbers were low even by the standards that were in place during the 90's. A lot of Aikman's peers outproduced him which caused many to think he wasn't that great a QB.

I'm certainly not saying Wilson is a better QB than Troy Aikman was just pointing out it's not all about high passing yards that make a QB good. You're not impressed with Wilson because he doesn't put up 4500 yards and 38 TD's. He's a lot more productive QB than some give him credit for when you combine his passing and rushing totals. He's a duel threat QB who makes a lot of plays by staying alive with his mobility/escapability. Wilson has been one of the most efficient QB's in the league the past 3 seasons which is a big reason Seattle has been so successful with him at QB. No team is going to reach back to back SB's with a weak link at QB.

So now your comparing the era of Aikman to Wilson with the way the rules are. Really?

 

[KJJ]

So now your comparing the era of Aikman to Wilson with the way the rules are. Really?

Even with the rules that were in place during the 90's Aikman's yards and TD's were well below several of his peers during that era. There's a list of QB's from Steve Young, Brett Favre to Jim Kelly who were outproducing Aikman. Dan Fouts put up 4800 yards back in 1981 under the rules of that era. Warren Moon was also passing for well 4000 yards during the 90's and Dan Marino put up 5000 yards before Aikman ever took a snap at UCLA. Aikman was being criticized for his lack of yards and TD's when the Cowboys were winning SB's. He could have been a very productive QB but the Cowboys offense revolved around Emmitt and the running game which kept Aikman's numbers down. The Cowboys had a system in place that helped them dominate the 90's. If it hadn't been for the 3 SB wins Aikman would have never been voted into the HOF because he didn't have the numbers.

He was voted as the greatest QB of the 90's by NFLN due to leading the Cowboys to 3 SB wins. The rules have made QB's more productive today but Wilson's passing yards and TD's are well below most of his peers. He's playing on a run oriented offense like Aikman did but unlike Aikman he doesn't have a Michael Irvin or a Jay Novacek. The yards and TD's Wilson is producing are comparable to what most QB's were producing 20 plus years ago. There's Cowboy FANS who don't think Aikman was that great based on his career numbers. There was a thread started awhile back with someone wanting us to list the Cowboys top QB's and several listed Romo ahead of Aikman and Staubach based on his numbers. They could care less that Aikman and Staubach had 5 SB wins between them they just look at the numbers to determine who were the better QB's. Seattle has a system in place that's made them very successful with a young developing QB. Wilson will be more productive as the years go by he's still learning.

 

[DandyDon1722]

Even with the rules that were in place during the 90's Aikman's yards and TD's were well below several of his peers during that era. There's a list of QB's from Steve Young, Brett Favre to Jim Kelly who were outproducing Aikman. Dan Fouts put up 4800 yards back in 1981 under the rules of that era. Warren Moon was also passing for well 4000 yards during the 90's and Dan Marino put up 5000 yards before Aikman ever took a snap at UCLA. Aikman was being criticized for his lack of yards and TD's when the Cowboys were winning SB's. He could have been a very productive QB but the Cowboys offense revolved around Emmitt and the running game which kept Aikman's numbers down. The Cowboys had a system in place that helped them dominate the 90's. If it hadn't been for the 3 SB wins Aikman would have never been voted into the HOF because he didn't have the numbers.

He was voted as the greatest QB of the 90's by NFLN due to leading the Cowboys to 3 SB wins. The rules have made QB's more productive today but Wilson's passing yards and TD's are well below most of his peers. He's playing on a run oriented offense like Aikman did but unlike Aikman he doesn't have a Michael Irvin or a Jay Novacek. The yards and TD's Wilson is producing are comparable to what most QB's were producing 20 plus years ago. There's Cowboy FANS who don't think Aikman was that great based on his career numbers. There was a thread started awhile back with someone wanting us to list the Cowboys top QB's and several listed Romo ahead of Aikman and Staubach based on his numbers. They could care less that Aikman and Staubach had 5 SB wins between them they just look at the numbers to determine who were the better QB's. Seattle has a system in place that's made them very successful with a young developing QB. Wilson will be more productive as the years go by he's still learning.

While I disagree that forgetting Super Bowl wins in rankings is an injustice, I also do not feel that any Cowboys' quarterback who hasn't won a Super Bowl be judged as somehow less of a player than those who have won. In the illustrious history of the Cowboys only two have ever won one and they won multiple Championships. That should tell you they were on great teams.

Meredith, White and Romo could've all won a Super Bowl. So could Marino, Fouts and Esiason. Hostetler, Dilfer and Rypien happened to win one. All of this points to one undeniable fact.

Super Bowls wins are capricious that take talent, timing and luck. Russell Wilson might not ever get back to a Super Bowl his entire career and he'll go down as 1-1 with a horrific throw that cost his the chance to be 2-0.

 

[MrPeanutbutter]

Super Bowls wins are capricious that take talent, timing and luck. Russell Wilson might not ever get back to a Super Bowl his entire career and he'll go down as 1-1 with a horrific throw that cost his the chance to be 2-0.

Good call. One could argue Wilson's best attribute to the Seahawks was how cheap he was.

 

[khiladi]

Even with the rules that were in place during the 90's Aikman's yards and TD's were well below several of his peers during that era. There's a list of QB's from Steve Young, Brett Favre to Jim Kelly who were outproducing Aikman. Dan Fouts put up 4800 yards back in 1981 under the rules of that era. Warren Moon was also passing for well 4000 yards during the 90's and Dan Marino put up 5000 yards before Aikman ever took a snap at UCLA. Aikman was being criticized for his lack of yards and TD's when the Cowboys were winning SB's. He could have been a very productive QB but the Cowboys offense revolved around Emmitt and the running game which kept Aikman's numbers down. The Cowboys had a system in place that helped them dominate the 90's. If it hadn't been for the 3 SB wins Aikman would have never been voted into the HOF because he didn't have the numbers.

He was voted as the greatest QB of the 90's by NFLN due to leading the Cowboys to 3 SB wins. The rules have made QB's more productive today but Wilson's passing yards and TD's are well below most of his peers. He's playing on a run oriented offense like Aikman did but unlike Aikman he doesn't have a Michael Irvin or a Jay Novacek. The yards and TD's Wilson is producing are comparable to what most QB's were producing 20 plus years ago. There's Cowboy FANS who don't think Aikman was that great based on his career numbers. There was a thread started awhile back with someone wanting us to list the Cowboys top QB's and several listed Romo ahead of Aikman and Staubach based on his numbers. They could care less that Aikman and Staubach had 5 SB wins between them they just look at the numbers to determine who were the better QB's. Seattle has a system in place that's made them very successful with a young developing QB. Wilson will be more productive as the years go by he's still learning.

lol. just stop even trying to compare the two. Aikman wasn't even chucking up INTs like Wilson was in the playoffs.

 

[KJJ]

lol. just stop even trying to compare the two. Aikman wasn't even chucking up INTs like Wilson was in the playoffs.

Aikman chucked up 46 int's his first 3 seasons compared to 26 for Wilson and Aikman played in 10 fewer games. Until this postseason Wilson only had one int in his first 5 postseason games including his first SB where he outplayed Peyton Manning. Two of the picks he had vs Green Bay this postseason were on his receiver who couldn't catch the ball and he rebounded from those picks to make some of the greatest plays you'll ever see in a do or die situation. You don't even understand the point I'm trying to make with the comparison to Aikman.

Troy's low numbers were due to the Cowboys offensive philosophy just like Wilson's low numbers are due to the Seahawks offensive philosophy. You claimed the Seahawks are conservative because of Wilson making it seem like he's a liability in the passing game. lol You're just one of those who's fixated on a QB's passing yards and TD's. You couldn't have thought very highly of Aikman if you don't think Wilson could sniff Romo's jock. Dance around this question who do you think was the better Cowboys QB Romo or Aikman and explain why?

 

[khiladi]

Aikman chucked up 46 int's his first 3 seasons compared to 26 for Wilson and Aikman played in 10 fewer games. Until this postseason Wilson only had one int in his first 5 postseason games including his first SB where he outplayed Peyton Manning. Two of the picks he had vs Green Bay this postseason were on his receiver who couldn't catch the ball and he rebounded from those picks to make some of the greatest plays you'll ever see in a do or die situation. You don't even understand the point I'm trying to make with the comparison to Aikman.

Troy's low numbers were due to the Cowboys offensive philosophy just like Wilson's low numbers are due to the Seahawks offensive philosophy. You claimed the Seahawks are conservative because of Wilson making it seem like he's a liability in the passing game. lol You're just one of those who's fixated on a QB's passing yards and TD's. You couldn't have thought very highly of Aikman if you don't think Wilson could sniff Romo's jock. Dance around this question who do you think was the better Cowboys QB Romo or Aikman and explain why?

So the first three seasons of Aikman's career when he wasn't in the playoffs and that too in this era of DB not being allowed to play real defense?

What don't you understand? Wilson's numbers are like a QB of the past era in this era where the league caters towards passing and offense. And why do you talk about outplaying Manning as if Denver's defense was even close to equal of Seattle's?

 

[KJJ]

So the first three seasons of Aikman's career when he wasn't in the playoffs and that too in this era of DB not being allowed to play real defense?

What don't you understand? Wilson's numbers are like a QB of the past era in this era where the league caters towards passing and offense. And why do you talk about outplaying Manning as if Denver's defense was even close to equal of Seattle's?

What don't you understand there isn't anything wrong with Wilson's production when you combine his passing and rushing totals. His efficiency has been as good as any QB in the league. You don't think he's going to become a more productive passer as he develops and Seattle adds a dynamic receiver? As for Wilson outplaying Manning in the SB the Broncos defense may not have been close to equal with Seattle's defense but Seattle's offense wasn't even remotely close to equalling the offense Denver had in 2013. No offense in NFL history was more potent or explosive than Denver's offense that season and no QB in NFL history ever put up the numbers Manning did that year.

Wilson was a cool as a cucumber in the SB playing efficient mistake free football vs a QB who set several all-time passing records. Pretty amazing for a second year QB to outplay a QB like Peyton Manning in a SB. Stop dancing around and answer the question who do you think was the better QB Aikman or Romo and explain why? Sleep on it and see if you can come up with a good answer tomorrow that doesn't pin you in any deeper a corner. lol

 

[khiladi]

What don't you understand there isn't anything wrong with Wilson's production when you combine his passing and rushing totals. His efficiency has been as good as any QB in the league. You don't think he's going to become a more productive passer as he develops and Seattle adds a dynamic receiver? As for Wilson outplaying Manning in the SB the Broncos defense may not have been close to equal with Seattle's defense but Seattle's offense wasn't even remotely close to equalling the offense Denver had in 2013. No offense in NFL history was more potent or explosive than Denver's offense that season and no QB in NFL history ever put up the numbers Manning did that year.

Wilson was a cool as a cucumber in the SB playing efficient mistake free football vs a QB who set several all-time passing records. Pretty amazing for a second year QB to outplay a QB like Peyton Manning in a SB. Stop dancing around and answer the question who do you think was the better QB Aikman or Romo and explain why? Sleep on it and see if you can come up with a good answer tomorrow that doesn't pin you in any deeper a corner. lol

It's just comical that you talk about Wilson outplaying Peyton Manning while ignoring the defenses they played against...

By arguing that Denver's defense was explosive, you've essentially argued that Wilson could play without having to worry about scoring that much, because his defense could shut down that offense.

 

[HappyOnions]

So much disrespect for Russell Wilson...

If Russell Wilson is what most here consider a terrible QB, then I'll take that terrible QB on my team any day. Why do Cowboys fans immediately feel the need to put down another player in order to try and somehow validate Romo's ability? It's like people can never give credit where credit is due and always have to interject with "Well, Romo would have" or "If Romo had this or that"

If Russell Wilson, had the exact same success, stats, and accomplishments as a Cowboy...people here would already be touting him as the greatest Cowboys QB of all time.

Wilson made a bad pass and yes, it would have been unfairly beaten to death if it were Romo, but the harsh truth is that Tony Romo hasn't shed his choker title because he has 2 playoff wins since taking over in 2006. Wilson has 2 Super Bowl appearances in 3 years, including a ring. He's been to the NFC Championship game or beyond since he came into the league. He's thrown for 72 touchdowns to 26 interceptions. He's also added 11 more TDs on the ground. He's a great player and deserves all the accolades that he gets.

 

[cowboys2233]

Or the WR didn't play it right. Give me a break. Bad call. Bad pass. Giant choke. Especially when you factor in they went to a fourth string WR with the best short yardage back in football on the field and timeouts in their back pocket.

It was overthought but they did not choke. Route was fine, pass was fine, just an unbelievably great play by the Patriots DB. A DB who ran on the field at the last second because they originally had a goal line package in there, which meant that a linebacker was originally at that position. Had they stayed in that package, not only is that a touchdown, but an easy touchdown.

 

[DFWJC]

I think Russell Wilson, at this stage in his career, it pretty darn good.

There's no need to chop the guy down.

Do I think, due to his team's top defense and run games, he has had maybe the easiest job of any QB in the league so far? YES. (Maybe Kaepernick too)

But that's not his fault. He's taken what was given to him and prospered.

It's fair to say he probably ranks in top half of the league at the very least.

 

[Idgit]

It was overthought but they did not choke. Route was fine, pass was fine, just an unbelievably great play by the Patriots DB. A DB who ran on the field at the last second because they originally had a goal line package in there, which meant that a linebacker was originally at that position. Had they stayed in that package, not only is that a touchdown, but an easy touchdown.

But they weren't in that package. The WR was not open, the pass was too far forward for the coverage, and the play call had two WRs in traffic over the middle and was dependent on the pick working. It wasn't just a great defensive play--though it was also that. It was probably the worst playcalling decision I've ever seen. They flat out gave away the Superbowl.

 

[percyhoward]

If you score more than 24 points and Wilson is the opposing QB, you win the game.

 

[Wayne02]

Aikman chucked up 46 int's his first 3 seasons compared to 26 for Wilson and Aikman played in 10 fewer games. Until this postseason Wilson only had one int in his first 5 postseason games including his first SB where he outplayed Peyton Manning. Two of the picks he had vs Green Bay this postseason were on his receiver who couldn't catch the ball and he rebounded from those picks to make some of the greatest plays you'll ever see in a do or die situation. You don't even understand the point I'm trying to make with the comparison to Aikman.

Troy's low numbers were due to the Cowboys offensive philosophy just like Wilson's low numbers are due to the Seahawks offensive philosophy. You claimed the Seahawks are conservative because of Wilson making it seem like he's a liability in the passing game. lol You're just one of those who's fixated on a QB's passing yards and TD's. You couldn't have thought very highly of Aikman if you don't think Wilson could sniff Romo's jock. Dance around this question who do you think was the better Cowboys QB Romo or Aikman and explain why?

The guy already has his mind made up and can't acknowledge when he's been defeated, but I must admit, I'm enjoying seeing this demolition that is taking place.

 

[KJJ]

It's just comical that you talk about Wilson outplaying Peyton Manning while ignoring the defenses they played against...

By arguing that Denver's defense was explosive, you've essentially argued that Wilson could play without having to worry about scoring that much, because his defense could shut down that offense.

What's comical is how you keep avoiding the question on who was the better QB Aikman or Romo which leads me to believe you think it's Romo based entirely on his stats. All you keep doing is giving Seattle's defense the entire credit for their success. You refuse to give Wilson an ounce of credit continuing to spin he's been a liability for the Seahawks at QB. He completed 18 of 25 passes vs Denver in the SB which is 72% and tossed 2 TD's and had no turnovers. His passer rating was 123.1 but you're dumping on him because he didn't pass for over 300 yards and 4 TD's. Marshawn Lynch only gained 39 yards on the ground which was 2.6 a carry. Wilson added 26 yards rushing on only 3 carries he did more damage on the ground than Lynch in that game.

Wilson accounted for most of Seattle's first downs and was the reason Seattle possessed the ball longer than Denver keeping the Broncos high powered offense off the field. Seattle's offense outgained and outscored Denver's offense and had that been the Cowboys and Romo playing in that game you wouldn't be dumping on Romo giving the Cowboys defense all the credit. Wilson played a terrific game that night and it's ridiculous to spin he's a liability at QB. This discussion has exposed what you think makes a good QB and it's not efficiency/wins/championships it's TD"s and passing yards.

 

[KJJ]

While I disagree that forgetting Super Bowl wins in rankings is an injustice, I also do not feel that any Cowboys' quarterback who hasn't won a Super Bowl be judged as somehow less of a player than those who have won. In the illustrious history of the Cowboys only two have ever won one and they won multiple Championships. That should tell you they were on great teams.

Meredith, White and Romo could've all won a Super Bowl. So could Marino, Fouts and Esiason. Hostetler, Dilfer and Rypien happened to win one. All of this points to one undeniable fact.

Super Bowls wins are capricious that take talent, timing and luck. Russell Wilson might not ever get back to a Super Bowl his entire career and he'll go down as 1-1 with a horrific throw that cost his the chance to be 2-0.

Romo will always be judged less a player than Staubach and Aikman if he doesn't win at least one championship. It's the championships that have both QB's ranked ahead of Romo despite him holding all the Cowboys passing records. QB's make their teams great which is why they receive so much of the glory when their win championships. Winning 3 SB's is the reason Troy Aikman was voted into the HOF on the first ballot. Some are placing Brady ahead of Montana due to his 6 SB appearances and 4 SB wins. It's the playoffs and SB's that define most QB's careers. Meredith, White and Romo never reached a SB because they never made the big plays in crunch time.

They all played for some good Cowboy teams that were capable of winning it all but costly turnovers during the postseason plagued each one of them in critical situations. To win "multiple" SB's it usually takes a special QB. Jim Plunket is the only QB to win multiple SB's who wasn't a special player. He's the only QB to win multiple SB's who isn't in the HOF. Some very average QB's have won a SB even Rex Grossman had an opportunity to win a SB but the great QB's play consistently well year after year which is why Marino, Fouts and Moon are in the HOF despite not winning a championship.

 

[gbrittain]

Wilson is in only his third year. Every year of his in the league he has played with the #1 rated defense and he has played the hand he was dealt magnificently. The day will come when he does not have a great defense. Will he still have his team in the Super Bowl, in the playoffs, in contention for playoffs based on his QB play...the question will get answered.

 

[gbrittain]

This reminds me when Ben R was the flavor of the week. I said it then and it has proven true...let's see what Ben R does without a top defense.

This year he was only sacked 33 times, he had the #3 rusher in the NFL, the #1 WR in the NFL, and the #9 TE. This was the most productive offense Ben R has ever had as they were ranked #7 in points and #2 in yards.

His defense on the other hand was ranked #18 and the Steelers were dispatched in quick order in the wild card round. What happened to clutch?

Ben R has had a great defense and had great success, Ben R has had great defense and no success, Ben R has yet to have a crap defense and have success. Weird right?

 

[cml750]

If you put Romo on the Seahawks????? they win the championship. If you put Wilson on the Cowboys, I seriously doubt they even sniff the playoffs. Seahawks have a better defense and a better coach (even if he made a dumb mistake throwing the ball when they did).