Percy Harvin traded to Seattle **merged**

zack;5019518 said:
Minnesota should now offer a contract to Victor Cruz since they have two first round picks. They need a receiver and they wouldn't lose their first round pick. They also have money and a need a receiver, plus it will screw the Giants.
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They could trade up to get Tavon Austin.
 
thats alot of draft picks for a guy who can't stay on the field. High risk high reward trade for seattle. Minny got about as much as you possibly could.
 
MonsterD;5019522 said:
They could trade up to get Tavon Austin.
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This is exactly who I thought. Younger and cheaper.
 
PJTHEDOORS;5019540 said:
lol. So we need another reciever for our 1st? Whatever.
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That didnt come from me. Just that in the first wave of FA, we will sit, wait, and watch. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
MonsterD;5019522 said:
They could trade up to get Tavon Austin.
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They basically wasted a 1st round pick on Harvin. The real value of a draft pick vs a Free Agent is the savings against the cap for the draft pick.

Trading for Harvin vs drafting Austin has them both paying a big salary and using up the draft pick.

They could have Drafted Austin and signed a Free Agent for the money paid to Harvin.
 
xwalker;5019550 said:
They basically wasted a 1st round pick on Harvin. The real value of a draft pick vs a Free Agent is the savings against the cap for the draft pick.

Trading for Harvin vs drafting Austin has them both paying a big salary and using up the draft pick.

They could have Drafted Austin and signed a Free Agent for the money paid to Harvin.
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Your logic regarding the cap implications have a lot of merit.

Still, as you know, any assumption that a player yet to get to the NFL will be at all as good as a Pro Bowl level player is extremely speculative.
I realize you know that...just put it out there for those who may think you can just take an unproven draft pick and guarantee production. Could happen, but no proof whatsoever.
 
Wow, that's a lot to give up in my opinion. Percy is a very good piece though.
 
DFWJC;5019590 said:
Your logic regarding the cap implications have a lot of merit.

Still, as you know, any assumption that a player yet to get to the NFL will be at all as good as a Pro Bowl level player is extremely speculative.
I realize you know that...just put it out there for those who may think you can just take an unproven draft pick and guarantee production. Could happen, but no proof whatsoever.
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True; however, you could get both the draft pick and a proven Free Agent for the investment that they're going to make in Harvin.
 
TheCount;5019597 said:
Wow, that's a lot to give up in my opinion. Percy is a very good piece though.
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I think they're saying they don't want to compete with SF for Tavon Austin. Cheaper to give up the first than it's going to be to move up as far as SF is going to move up, if that's the player they end up targeting.
 
Idgit;5019699 said:
I think they're saying they don't want to compete with SF for Tavon Austin. Cheaper to give up the first than it's going to be to move up as far as SF is going to move up, if that's the player they end up targeting.
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Agree. And to add to this, you can't realistically expect a rookie like Austin to come in right away and be an impact player, like Harvin can do right now.
 
Idgit;5019699 said:
I think they're saying they don't want to compete with SF for Tavon Austin. Cheaper to give up the first than it's going to be to move up as far as SF is going to move up, if that's the player they end up targeting.
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Plus there are two, non-debateable certainties here:
1) Unless you have the 1st (or maybe 2nd) overall pick, you have no guarantees whatsover that you can get a specific player in the draft.
2) If you do get said player, there are no guarantees that the player will be as good as you hope at the NFL level.
 
blindzebra;5019644 said:
Seattle got screwed.
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Well, Seattle is so young right now that they probably felt like, because of cap reasons and the time it usually takes to develop an NFL WR, that it was in their best interests to trade for an experienced guy as opposed to draft somebody. Seattle believes that they are going to be drafting at the bottom of the 1st round the next few years and they may be right. They also believe that if they can get a speed guy at WR, they can force the 49ers into a defensive liability. 49ers have a poor Defensive Backfield, as we all know. If Seattle can force the 49ers to keep their safeties back, then they have a QB who can make them pay with his rushing ability and it also opens up the field for him. If you look at Wilson's numbers, they are not fantastic when he has to throw the ball down field, but, they are pretty decent when he can use the short game and a speed WR makes that easier. Plus, they have a punishing Ground Game that only gets tougher if you can't play a Safety down in the box. The 49ers have to choose. Do they cover Harvin deep and open up the game for Seattle or do they keep a Safety in the box and risk getting beaten by Harvin? Either way, Seattle sees this a step in the right direction for them, against SF.

Having said all of this, I agree, the Vikings did to Seattle what Jimmy and Jerry did to the Vikings.

:D
 
Percy is a game changer.. But the migranes he gets would scare me off..
 
Harvin IS very good.

However, the way things were going in Minny, I do think both parties were ready to move on.
 
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