Percy Harvin traded to Seattle **merged**

[Miller]

How many years did that take?

Your points don't make sense. He has produced consistently and has only been out this one stretch. He has had 62, 87 and 71 catches from crap QBs. He was a literal MVP candidate last season pre injury when his catches, runs and returns were considered.

From last season

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/sto...ta-vikings-nfl-adrian-peterson-leslie-frazier

An early MVP candidate, Harvin leads the league in combined yards (1,142) and yards after the catch (427) while ranking second in catches (53) and kickoff return average (35.1). He also recently joined Hall of Famer Gale Sayers (1965-67) and former Eagle Timmy Brown (1961-63) as the only players in NFL history to score touchdowns rushing, receiving and on kick returns in three consecutive seasons.

“He’s the best player I’ve ever played with,” said teammate and four-time All-Pro running back Adrian Peterson.

 

[speedkilz88]

It was the last 7 games of his 3rd year and the first 9 of his 4th year. Not sure where you are going with this?

So it took two years then? And you think that's a good thing do you? The fact you have to piece together two seasons for his numbers to impress should mean something.(and that is cherry picking just his reception totals where he average around 10 yards a catch) The guy season by season has been very average. You can piece together a great run by Miles Austin starting from the KC game, doesn't make him a great player now does it?

 

[hornitosmonster]

They overpaid. Harvin is a migraine waiting to happen.

 

[koolaid]

So it took two years then? And you think that's a good thing do you? The fact you have to piece together two seasons for his numbers to impress should mean something.(and that is cherry picking just his reception totals where he average around 10 yards a catch) The guy season by season has been very average. You can piece together a great run by Miles Austin starting from the KC game, doesn't make him a great player now does it?

the last word i would use to describe percy is average

 

[Reverend Conehead]

@jayGlazer
Seattle sends this years first round pick and a 7th rounder as well as a mid-round pick next year for Harvin. Win-win for both teams

I wouldn't pronounce it win/win just yet. Seattle may have done its version of a Roy Williams deal. Only time will tell.

 

[LatinMind]

Wrong on Harvin. This was his first real injury. He missed only 3 games his first 3 years. People need to stop reading migraine reports and look at the reality of it. For all he did he was actually durable.

He hasnt finished alot of games. Same thing as Austin. But Austin trumps him in every category since Harvin has been in the nfl. Oh and remember miles 2009 numbers basically started in week 5. Ill take Austin. You can hang on Harvins jock all you want.

 

[Miller]

He hasnt finished alot of games. Same thing as Austin. But Austin trumps him in every category since Harvin has been in the nfl. Oh and remember miles 2009 numbers basically started in week 5. Ill take Austin. You can hang on Harvins jock all you want.

What are you talking about? His reception totals with lesser QB play have been nice. He played a majority of games. That's not even including his 700 yards rushing and his returns. I'm not on his jock. I'm just dealing in reality. Has Miles been an MVP candidate?
You think current MVP is full of it too? Keep putting a player down to try to lift someone not in the conversation.


http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/sto...ta-vikings-nfl-adrian-peterson-leslie-frazier

An early MVP candidate, Harvin leads the league in combined yards (1,142) and yards after the catch (427) while ranking second in catches (53) and kickoff return average (35.1). He also recently joined Hall of Famer Gale Sayers (1965-67) and former Eagle Timmy Brown (1961-63) as the only players in NFL history to score touchdowns rushing, receiving and on kick returns in three consecutive seasons.

“He’s the best player I’ve ever played with,” said teammate and four-time All-Pro running back Adrian Peterson.

 

[dools]

So it took two years then? And you think that's a good thing do you? The fact you have to piece together two seasons for his numbers to impress should mean something.(and that is cherry picking just his reception totals where he average around 10 yards a catch) The guy season by season has been very average. You can piece together a great run by Miles Austin starting from the KC game, doesn't make him a great player now does it?

How fast is he supposed to get there? He had 60 receptions in 8 games started his rookie year. He had 71 receptions in 14 games year 2. 87 receptions yr 3. Last year he had 62 catches in 9 games on just 85 targets. He has low yards per reception but had only 88 less yards after catch than Welker in just nine games. He has a low YPR because alot of his catches come out of the backfield. He moves the chains for a pretty inept passing offense. He can play the slot or the outside. He can be a third down back but also takes away goaline carries from AP. He has averaged 34.2 yards on KR the past 2 years and has already taken 5 to the house in his career. Have you actually watched him play throughout his career or did you just glance at how many recieving yards he has had, which is certainly respectable?

 

[LatinMind]

What are you talking about? His reception totals with lesser QB play have been nice. He played a majority of games. That's not even including his 700 yards rushing and his returns. I'm not on his jock. I'm just dealing in reality. Has Miles been an MVP candidate?
You think current MVP is full of it too? Keep putting a player down to try to lift someone not in the conversation.


http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/sto...ta-vikings-nfl-adrian-peterson-leslie-frazier

An early MVP candidate, Harvin leads the league in combined yards (1,142) and yards after the catch (427) while ranking second in catches (53) and kickoff return average (35.1). He also recently joined Hall of Famer Gale Sayers (1965-67) and former Eagle Timmy Brown (1961-63) as the only players in NFL history to score touchdowns rushing, receiving and on kick returns in three consecutive seasons.

“He’s the best player I’ve ever played with,” said teammate and four-time All-Pro running back Adrian Peterson.

So forget Miles having more production on offense scoring more more yrds better avg per catch. this while being 3rd target behind dez and witten. He is not worth what they gave up. MVP candidate a month after the season starts? Really? Im not putting anybody down. Im saying id take Austin. Harvin is weak sauce.

Harvin has been subject to rumors he was gone anyways. And it was always reported that the Vikings would be lucky to even get a 2nd for him. But seattle was desperate for a WR. Overpaid for a guy who cant take hits very good. Guy was a drama queen and butted heads all the time with vikings coaches. Vikings wanted to get rid of him. Head issues mentally and physically are going to make this trade a win for the vikes. Vikes GM did say awhile back they werent going to trade harvin because they didnt think they would get that 2nd. You think they didnt jump when SEA offered a 1st?

 

[Beast_from_East]

Percy Harvin

Year Rec Yards TD
2009 60 790 6
2010 71 868 5
2011 87 967 6
2012 72 677 3

Miles Austin

Year Rec Yards TD
2009 81 1320 11
2010 69 1042 7
2011 43 579 7
2012 66 943 6

Just sayin'. You make the call.

A 1st and a 3rd for Miles Austin like production.

Wow, Seattle just got raped.:laugh2:

 

[durrrr]

A 1st and a 3rd for Miles Austin like production.

Wow, Seattle just got raped.:laugh2:

No, they didn't.

Some of you guys are crazy. Percy Harvin is a stud.

 

[Woods]

A 1st and a 3rd for Miles Austin like production.

Wow, Seattle just got raped.:laugh2:

Seattle overpayed.

They better hope Harvin's migranes don't occur frequently .... among his other ailments.

 

[birdwells1]

So forget Miles having more production on offense scoring more more yrds better avg per catch. this while being 3rd target behind dez and witten. He is not worth what they gave up. MVP candidate a month after the season starts? Really? Im not putting anybody down. Im saying id take Austin. Harvin is weak sauce.

Harvin has been subject to rumors he was gone anyways. And it was always reported that the Vikings would be lucky to even get a 2nd for him. But seattle was desperate for a WR. Overpaid for a guy who cant take hits very good. Guy was a drama queen and butted heads all the time with vikings coaches. Vikings wanted to get rid of him. Head issues mentally and physically are going to make this trade a win for the vikes. Vikes GM did say awhile back they werent going to trade harvin because they didnt think they would get that 2nd. You think they didnt jump when SEA offered a 1st?

You're not?

 

[CATCH17]

Percy is a much better player than Austin

At this stage... Yes.

When both are playing at their best i'll take Austin all day.

Right now though I think Miles is just too damaged and we'll never see him be that elite receiver again.

 

[CATCH17]

No, they didn't.

Some of you guys are crazy. Percy Harvin is a stud.

Agreed. Harvin is a 1 man receiving core when healthy.

He just doesn't get much attention.

 

[Miller]

So forget Miles having more production on offense scoring more more yrds better avg per catch. this while being 3rd target behind dez and witten. He is not worth what they gave up. MVP candidate a month after the season starts? Really? Im not putting anybody down. Im saying id take Austin. Harvin is weak sauce.

Harvin has been subject to rumors he was gone anyways. And it was always reported that the Vikings would be lucky to even get a 2nd for him. But seattle was desperate for a WR. Overpaid for a guy who cant take hits very good. Guy was a drama queen and butted heads all the time with vikings coaches. Vikings wanted to get rid of him. Head issues mentally and physically are going to make this trade a win for the vikes. Vikes GM did say awhile back they werent going to trade harvin because they didnt think they would get that 2nd. You think they didnt jump when SEA offered a 1st?

It's about who's trending. Who is better NOW. Miles is older by 2 years. Miles had 2 good years when Harvin just came into the league. Miles also plays with a near elite QB that had other weapons...you proved my point. Harvin had no QBs and no other WRs to take the heat off. Yet his numbers have trended upward and been better as an elite talent.

Let's look at the the last 2 seasons..injuries or not because the numbers are telling even with injuries

2011

Harvin: 16 Games Played, 87 receptions, 967 yards, 123 targets, 11.1 avg, 6 TDs, 1 kickoff return for TD, 52 rushes, 345 yards, 6.6 avg, 2 TDS. So 9 TDs, 1302 total yards.

Miles: 10 Games Played, 43 receptions, 579 yards, 73 targets, 13.5 avg, 7 TDs. 2 rushes for 3 yards

So obviously Harvin had a better year. Miles has a better average and his TD numbers are nice for games played. But for all around versatilty on a team with no talent, Percy did everything for them. Right now, with games missed they are close but Harvin is more versatile in every aspect of the team.

2012

Harvin: 9 Games played, 62 receptions, 677 yards, 85 targets, 10.9 average, 3 TDs, 1 TD return, 22 rushes, 96 yards, 4.4 avs, 1 TD. So 773 yards, 5 TDs in 9 games

Miles: 16 Games played, 66 receptions, 943 yards, 118 targets, 14.3 average, 6 TDs.

Again, look at games played. Harvin was close in many stats playing 7 less games. Miles has a better average but overall Harvin was outplaying Miles taking into account games played, he almost had him in stats in less games.

Now let's get to football and the trade. The Vikings got a low 1st...a 7th and a mid rounder next year. What value are you putting on those if you were Seattle? They just missed the NFC Championship game and need another WR. Their value is to get over the hump and pay a little extra. For Minnesota what do they get? They get a 1st for a guy that didn't want to be there and some additional picks. Overall the trade is a win/win. It's the same as us when we went after Deion and Haley, etc. You get people to put you over the top. Harvin has shown is a top playmaker and is trending upward. Not "weak sauce." The numbers bear that out the last year or so. A top talent.

As for Miles...his production..when healthy..is still good in areas. But he doesn't have the versatility or talent overall as Harvin and in a league where offenses are changing I'd take Harvin. If I end up being wrong, so be it, but there is a talent gap and the two guys are trending in 2 different directions.

 

[joseephuss]

This isn't about Miles Austin. I think that is irrelevant.

As far as Percy Harvin and trends. His yards per catch(ypc) and his all-purpose yards(APY) have gone down each season. Those are not good trends.

13.2 ypc, 2081 APY 2009
12.2 ypc, 1908 APY 2010
11.1 ypc, 1832 APY 2011
10.9 ypc, 1347 APY 2012

I think Harvin is a good player. I don't think he is a stud or great player. I would never build a team around him, but he can do well when there are other options and he is the complimentary player. That isn't worth what Seattle paid to get him, but that is their problem.

 

[Miller]

This isn't about Miles Austin. I think that is irrelevant.

As far as Percy Harvin and trends. His yards per catch(ypc) and his all-purpose yards(APY) have gone down each season. Those are not good trends.

13.2 ypc, 2081 APY 2009
12.2 ypc, 1908 APY 2010
11.1 ypc, 1832 APY 2011
10.9 ypc, 1347 APY 2012

I think Harvin is a good player. I don't think he is a stud or great player. I would never build a team around him, but he can do well when there are other options and he is the complimentary player. That isn't worth what Seattle paid to get him, but that is their problem.

All Purpose Yards is ridiculous to go off of. All that means is that he has returned less kicks. He returned 42 and 40 kickoffs his first 2 seasons and 16 the last 2. How can you base a guys overall trending productivity on that? They decided not to use him there and use him more on offense.

What has gone up is his overall offensive numbers with rushing and receiving being at is highest in 2011 and 2012 before injury. Your analysis makes no sense. Average also isn't factoring in as much due to him being more of an inside WR and a RB at times.

 

[joseephuss]

All Purpose Yards is ridiculous to go off of. All that means is that he has returned less kicks. He returned 42 and 40 kickoffs his first 2 seasons and 16 the last 2. How can you base a guys overall trending productivity on that? They decided not to use him there and use him more on offense.

What has gone up is his overall offensive numbers with rushing and receiving being at is highest in 2011 and 2012 before injury. Your analysis makes no sense. Average also isn't factoring in as much due to him being more of an inside WR and a RB at times.

So if it is anything negative it shouldn't count. Game changing wide receivers either average more yards per catch or at least put up 1000 yard receiving totals. Harvin does neither. Good player, but not worth what it took to get him.

 

[Miller]

So if it is anything negative it shouldn't count. Game changing wide receivers either average more yards per catch or at least put up 1000 yard receiving totals. Harvin does neither. Good player, but not worth what it took to get him.

No. Negative doesn't bother me. I get what you are saying with your analysis. It's not like I'm a Minny fan or Harvin apologist. I just hate seeing a guy who does so much get bashed about stuff that isn't quite true...like the injuries. After seeing him play the last 2 seasons I think he is plenty worth what they paid considering how close they are and the fact that it was a low 1st. I also don't agree with your assessment of game changing WRs. His role was different. He was a jack of all trades. Not many WRs rush for over 300 yards in a season and total over 1300 yards combined. He had zero help and no QB. I think I'll stick with what Peterson said. I think he'll make a massive difference in Seattle in a real system. Could be wrong but the guys is a stud player when the ball is in his hands. I'm sure if they want to use him on kickoffs again...something Vikes limited, he will be even more dangerous.

Adrian Peterson @AdrianPeterson The best all around player I ever seen or you'll ever see! Goes to Seattle! I feel like I just got kicked in the stomach. Several times!!!
8:25 PM - 11 Mar 13