Percy's Stats on Dak

[Kevinicus]

TWill single handedly lost the Green Bay game by tipping a good pass up and causing a pick-6.

Anyone who has such a simplistic view does not understand the game.

 

[xwalker]

Anyone who has such a simplistic view does not understand the game.

Says the the guy that's never contributed anything of value to this site.

 

[percyhoward]

HIS PLAY CREATES PRESSURE.

The games with the excessive amount of pressures were mostly in the seasons' first four weeks (when the OL was still coming together as a unit) and when all 5 starters weren't on the field. So it's likely that these 40% pressure games are more due to OL issues and pass rushes faced, than to Dak's play. Not counting the meaningless season-ender, Smith or Martin missed most or all of four games: at ATL, PHI, LAC, SEA (weeks 10, 11, 12, and 16). Compare the games with Smith and Martin to the games without them.

Pressured Dropbacks (of Total Dropbacks)
with: 32.9% (123 of 374)
without: 45.6% (67 of 147)

Sacks
with: 13 (in 11 games)
without: 18 (in 4 games)

Passing
with: 212 of 338 (63%) 2464 yd (7.3 ypa) 21 td 6 int 98.0
without: 79 of 122 (65%) 681 yd (5.6 ypa) 0 td 7 int 55.4

If the issue is Dak himself causing most of the pressure, it should affect every game he plays, with only slight variation from one game to the next. That's obviously not happening. To me, the real issue with Dak is mental. In the games when he's pressured often, it seems to flip a switch and turn him into a different guy. You can improve OL depth and hope for better health to limit the number of games with so many pressures, but you can't have your QB going from Jekyll to Hyde when those things fail.

 

[xwalker]

The games with the excessive amount of pressures were mostly in the seasons' first four weeks (when the OL was still coming together as a unit) and when all 5 starters weren't on the field. So it's likely that these 40% pressure games are more due to OL issues and pass rushes faced, than to Dak's play. Not counting the meaningless season-ender, Smith or Martin missed most or all of four games: at ATL, PHI, LAC, SEA (weeks 10, 11, 12, and 16). Compare the games with Smith and Martin to the games without them.

Pressured Dropbacks (of Total Dropbacks)
with: 32.9% (123 of 374)
without: 45.6% (67 of 147)

Sacks
with: 13 (in 11 games)
without: 18 (in 4 games)

Passing
with: 212 of 338 (63%) 2464 yd (7.3 ypa) 21 td 6 int 98.0
without: 79 of 122 (65%) 681 yd (5.6 ypa) 0 td 7 int 55.4

If the issue is Dak himself causing most of the pressure, it should affect every game he plays, with only slight variation from one game to the next. That's obviously not happening. To me, the real issue with Dak is mental. In the games when he's pressured often, it seems to flip a switch and turn him into a different guy. You can improve OL depth and hope for better health to limit the number of games with so many pressures, but you can't have your QB going from Jekyll to Hyde when those things fail.

Do you have the numbers just for for snaps he was pressured?

 

[percyhoward]

Do you have the numbers just for for snaps he was pressured?

all dropbacks
with Smith/Martin: 212 of 338 (63%) 2464 yd (7.3 ypa) 21 td 6 int 98.0
without: 79 of 122 (65%) 681 yd (5.6 ypa) 0 td 7 int 55.4

when pressured
with S/M: 48 of 99 (49%) 739 yd (7.5 ypa) 4 td 2 int 78.6 (7th)
without: 21 of 43 (49%) 276 yd (6.4 ypa) 0 td 3 int 40.5 (23rd)

when not pressured
with S/M: 164 of 239 (69%) 1725 yd (7.3 ypa) 17 td 4 int 106.1 (9th)
without: 58 of 79 (74%) 405 yd (5.1 ypa) 0 td 4 int 63.5 (24th)

The number in parentheses after the passer rating is where that rating would rank league-wide (when pressured or kept clean) in 2017.
(24 QB with min 500 dropbacks)

 

[Kevinicus]

Says the the guy that's never contributed anything of value to this site.

Please stop attributing your shortcomings to me.

 

[jterrell]

Anyone that ignores the data presented in this thread is just here to argue and there is no reasoning with them.
I can only hope they keep arguing so I get those people all blocked.
Trimming the board to just "value-add" posters who bring something to the table and all of a sudden this forum looks a lot more like it did years ago.

 

[xwalker]

all dropbacks
with Smith/Martin: 212 of 338 (63%) 2464 yd (7.3 ypa) 21 td 6 int 98.0
without: 79 of 122 (65%) 681 yd (5.6 ypa) 0 td 7 int 55.4

when pressured
with S/M: 48 of 99 (49%) 739 yd (7.5 ypa) 4 td 2 int 78.6 (7th)
without: 21 of 43 (49%) 276 yd (6.4 ypa) 0 td 3 int 40.5 (23rd)

when not pressured
with S/M: 164 of 239 (69%) 1725 yd (7.3 ypa) 17 td 4 int 106.1 (9th)
without: 58 of 79 (74%) 405 yd (5.1 ypa) 0 td 4 int 63.5 (24th)

The number in parentheses after the passer rating is where that rating would rank league-wide (when pressured or kept clean) in 2017.
(24 QB with min 500 dropbacks)

So he ranked 6th when pressured with Smith/Martin in the game.

To me that indicates he is not panicing due to pressure per se.

The more/less 40% stat then indicates to me that he is consciously changing his approach when the frequency of pressure is extreme (example: Throwing to WRs that are not really open instead of waiting for an open WR).

 

[jterrell]

So he ranked 6th when pressured with Smith/Martin in the game.

To me that indicates he is not panicing due to pressure per se.

The more/less 40% stat then indicates to me that he is consciously changing his approach when the frequency of pressure is extreme (example: Throwing to WRs that are not really open instead of waiting for an open WR).

To me this is all common sense that is being verified by stats.
Dallas helps Smith in pass pro less than any LT in football and that design is built into the offense to a huge extent.
LT is considered a franchise position and many GMs would take one to build their franchise around because any right-handed QB will be a far better with a good LT.
A 2nd year guy without blind side trust? Well it looks like Dak did with Tyron out. Trash.

Obviously Dallas needs to design some plays less dependent upon the LT and they need to add a better option behind Smith than Chaz Green.
Take the money you've saved by replacing Ron Leary with Cooper and get a quality swing OT imho. OR go draft a guy fairly early... R2/R3

There has even been talk of hiring Alex Gibbs as a consultant to evaluate OL in college and pro circles.

 

[xwalker]

To me this is all common sense that is being verified by stats.
Dallas helps Smith in pass pro less than any LT in football and that design is built into the offense to a huge extent.
LT is considered a franchise position and many GMs would take one to build their franchise around because any right-handed QB will be a far better with a good LT.
A 2nd year guy without blind side trust? Well it looks like Dak did with Tyron out. Trash.

Obviously Dallas needs to design some plays less dependent upon the LT and they need to add a better option behind Smith than Chaz Green.
Take the money you've saved by replacing Ron Leary with Cooper and get a quality swing OT imho. OR go draft a guy fairly early... R2/R3

There has even been talk of hiring Alex Gibbs as a consultant to evaluate OL in college and pro circles.

Where was the talk about Alex Gibbs?

 

[percyhoward]

So he ranked 6th when pressured with Smith/Martin in the game.

To me that indicates he is not panicking due to pressure per se.

The more/less 40% stat then indicates to me that he is consciously changing his approach when the frequency of pressure is extreme

I think so too. Because with more frequent pressure, he expected to have less time to read the coverages and pressure and process it all.

Remove that thought from his mind, and he's great -- pressure or no pressure, doesn't matter.

As somebody tweeted, "dude got jumpy."