Perfectly put by Mike Fisher

[superonyx]

Gained may have not been a good fit for the Buccaneers. His flop had nothing to do with the Buccaneers taking him there. No one felt that was a reach. Cowboys needed a guard and took Zach Martin. They needed a center and traded DOWN and got Tracis Fredericks. The Cowboys have used this model and it's worked for them.

No one blamed his flop being because he was drafted ahead of Asrian Peterson. Not even sure how you came to this conclusion.

The point is Adams was projected to be a nice solid pass rusher. The Bucs drafted him because they needed a DE. The didn't need a RB due to Cadillac Williams. So they passed on Adrian Peterson and the rest is history. If you have the chance to draft a player with Franchise player upside you don't pass on him due to need unless you already have a young franchise player in that position.

Petersons success didn't come as a shock to anyone. He was the most dynamic player in college football. Teams that passed on him did so because they were chasing need.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

BC saying BPA according to need doesn't sound as "profound/proven" basically. BPA is so intentionally vague the concept irritates me bc it's mainly overlooked most of the 1st and 2nd rounds every year by good and bad teams. Then you hear it the next off season and Groundhog Day continues. Would CAR take a QB in the 1st regardless the next 4 years bc he is the BPA on their board? Feel ya there definitely; it's politically vague on purpose to use as a GM "concept" to explain both hits and misses after the draft and 5-6 years later, etc. Similar to RKG

No they wouldn't. They'd trade to try and best match need and value.

I feel like the draft confuses people where it shouldn't.

 

[percyhoward]

Teams see players very differently depending on the offensive and defensive schemes they run. Also, a lot of visits are based on 2nd or 3rd round interest, not just Round 1.

Teams don't simply look at where they're drafting and ask "Who are the 5 best players most likely to be available each time we pick?" First they assess their needs, then they ask "Which 2 or 3 players at our greatest position of need will be available when we pick?'' Then they do the same for 1 or 2 players at their 2nd-greatest position of need, and so on. Then they schedule a visit.

In 2011, we invited all five top-rated offensive line prospects. This year we didn't invite any of the five. That's all about need.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The Cowboys wanted Shazier, who was taken by Pittsburgh. They then drafted the highest rated player left on their board.

There was a similar story behind Fredericks, though I don't recall it right now.

Martin filled a need. Shazier also filled a need.

 

[Nightman]

Teams don't simply look at where they're drafting and ask "Who are the 5 best players most likely to be available each time we pick?" First they assess their needs, then they ask "Which 2 or 3 players at our greatest position of need will be available when we pick?'' Then they do the same for 1 or 2 players at their 2nd-greatest position of need, and so on. Then they schedule a visit.

In 2011, we invited all five top-rated offensive line prospects. This year we didn't invite any of the five. That's all about need.

We brought in a lot of QBs and RBs this year...we'll see if they go that way early.....

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

No one blamed his flop being because he was drafted ahead of Asrian Peterson. Not even sure how you came to this conclusion.

The point is Adams was projected to be a nice solid pass rusher. The Bucs drafted him because they needed a DE. The didn't need a RB due to Cadillac Williams. So they passed on Adrian Peterson and the rest is history. If you have the chance to draft a player with Franchise player upside you don't pass on him due to need unless you already have a young franchise player in that position.

Petersons success didn't come as a shock to anyone. He was the most dynamic player in college football. Teams that passed on him did so because they were chasing need.

So you believe they should've drafted AP despite investing a top 5 pick into Cadillac?

 

[percyhoward]

We brought in a lot of QBs and RBs this year...we'll see if they go that way early.....

We did invite Elliott and Henry, but most of the RB we brought in (Prosise, Drake, Perkins) are projected to go in the 4th round.

 

[JPostSam]

Alright Jerry. Get out there and draft all the players with 12-year careers ahead of them.

great. a bunch of journeyman kickers and long snappers.

 

[garyv]

So the standard draft rule of drafting BPA should stand...however some confuse this with Best Athlete Available....

So if Ramsey is the BAA and Zeke is the BPA....who should you take?

Zeke

 

[ConceptCoop]

So the standard draft rule of drafting BPA should stand...however some confuse this with Best Athlete Available....

So if Ramsey is the BAA and Zeke is the BPA....who should you take?

Zeke is more well-rounded, that doesn't make him the better player. Ramsey has a much higher ceiling. If you treat him just as a safety, and don't worry about his ability to cover on the outside, he's every bit the FS prospect that Elliot is at RB.

Besides, BPA should take positional value into consideration. Zeke is a better RB than Wentz and Goff are QBs. But you don't take the RB over the QB.

 

[jazzcat22]

Zeke is more well-rounded, that doesn't make him the better player. Ramsey has a much higher ceiling. If you treat him just as a safety, and don't worry about his ability to cover on the outside, he's every bit the FS prospect that Elliot is at RB.

Besides, BPA should take positional value into consideration. Zeke is a better RB than Wentz and Goff are QBs. But you don't take the RB over the QB.

That depends on the situation.
Now I know it is Jerry speak, and coach speak. But if you listened to the PC yesterday....Dallas would take a RB over a QB...
Most people came away with they would draft defense over offense...but that means nothing at this point.
They also said they are in position to take who helps the team the most. Which is true.

 

[ConceptCoop]

That depends on the situation.
Now I know it is Jerry speak, and coach speak. But if you listened to the PC yesterday....Dallas would take a RB over a QB...
Most people came away with they would draft defense over offense...but that means nothing at this point.
They also said they are in position to take who helps the team the most. Which is true.

I watched it. I didn't get that Dallas would take RB over QB at all. Now that the top two options are gone, sure. But he didn't answer any questions about RB over Goff/Wentz.

If Gurley is a 92 and Luck is a 91, you take Luck. Every time.

 

[jazzcat22]

I watched it. I didn't get that Dallas would take RB over QB at all. Now that the top two options are gone, sure. But he didn't answer any questions about RB over Goff/Wentz.

If Gurley is a 92 and Luck is a 91, you take Luck. Every time.

You missed the comments about taking a QB higher and then in 3 or 4 years being in a situation of not knowing what you have if romo is still at QB. Which they think he will be?
When asked about taking offense over defense with pick 4, Jerry said yes, we need offensive players...or something like that. He caught himself and tried to cover up.
Now I do not take that as they would take EE, but with both QB's most likely gone. What would one thing.
But that means nothing....nothing at all....about who they would pick. But my take is they would not plan on taking a QB high. But they eluded several times about RB's and early as well as later in the draft they are there.
That's they way I took it anyway.