Peter King on Cowherd

[cowboys2233]

If you go back and rewatch the Ravens game, you will see that he was open a few times. And each of those times, Romo went to someone else. This was also stated by Deon Sanders. The problem on our team is Jason Garrett and the Head Coach who can't tell the OC, "You don't know what the hell your doing". If our Head Coach had the balls to tell him that, Jerry "The real head coach" Jones would slap his chubby hand.

I'm still having a hard time figuring out how that is Jason Garrett's fault. You just essentially pointed out that Garrett is in fact designing plays that are allowing Roy to get open ("you will see that he was open a few times") and then said that "each of those times, Romo went to someone else."

Again, if it's anyone's fault other than Roy himself, it's Romo's, not Garrett's.

And getting open a "few times" doesn't pay the piper. Are you suggesting that Romo should be looking for Roy first and foremost on every single play and if he isn't open, THEN go to someone else?

Sorry, that's not the way it works. If Romo has looked Roy's way a number of times, and he isn't open, too bad for Roy that Romo doesn't look his way on the infrequent occasion that he does get open.

 

[Randy White]

So you're saying a QB isn't capable of looking to one receiver, seeing he isn't open, and then going to a different guy?

Not when you have 4 seconds to get rid of the ball as soon as it's snapped. An NFL QB has barely time to look at a primary target. If he's fortunate, he has time to look at his 2nd target. If he's REALLY lucky, he "might " have time to look at a 3rd, in which case 90% are dumped off to the RB or " safety valve ".

What exactly do you think QBs do? And I'm the one who doesn't know what he's talking about? And quite honestly, if Romo has looked Roy's way often enough and he isn't open 90% of the time, why should he continue to look his way?

Yea, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. The NFL is not Madden Football for the playstation or Xbox. Your video game mentality is really showing on this one.

 

[cowboys2233]

in 2008, including with Detroit:

Targeted = 74
Receptions = 34

T.O.:

Targeted = 130
Receptions = 63

Jason Witten:

Targeted = 110
Receptions = 74


I'll be generous and say that half of those targeted were in Dallas. That would leave RW with 37 attempt in 9 games, an average of 4 per game, 1 per quarter.

Yea, but " he's not getting open "...

Let's see...

Roy's "success" rate -- 34 of 74 = 46%

Owen's success rate -- 63 of 130 = 48%

Witten's success rate -- 74 of 110 = 67%

Too funny, you just proved why Romo does look Witten's way more often when in tight situations and when the game is on the line and why he looks Roy's way least often. When he targets Witten, there is a 2 in 3 chance that he'll catch the ball. When he targets Roy, there is less than a 1 in 2 chance that he wind up catching the ball.

Looking at these numbers only tells me one thing -- Owens and especially Roy have absolutely nothing to ***** about.

 

[cowboys2233]

Not when you have 4 seconds to get rid of the ball as soon as it's snapped. An NFL QB has barely time to look at a primary target. If he's fortunate, he has time to look at his 2nd target. If he's REALLY lucky, he "might " have time to look at a 3rd, in which case 90% are dumped off to the RB or " safety valve ".

So...now you're saying that a QB does have time to look at a couple of options? But you said Romo didn't have time to look Roy's way and then go to either Owens or Witten in your previous post.

Get back to me when you start making sense. You are clueless.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Let's see...

Roy's "success" rate -- 34 of 74 = 46%

Owen's success rate -- 63 of 130 = 48%

Witten's success rate -- 74 of 110 = 67%

Too funny, you just proved why Romo does look Witten's way more often when in tight situations and when the game is on the line and why he looks Roy's way least often. When he targets Witten, there is a 2 in 3 chance that he'll catch the ball. When he targets Roy, there is less than a 1 in 2 chance that he wind up catching the ball.

Looking at these numbers only tells me one thing -- Owens and especially Roy have absolutely nothing to ***** about.

Not taking sides here because, as I said above, there's not much clear evidence yet either way. Having said that - we have to be careful with these stats for a couple reasons. First, we don't know what chunk of RW's #s are from Detroit where he was on a really crappy team. Second, Witten's percentage (as great as he is) would predictably be higher since his routes are generally shorter as a TE.

 

[cowboys2233]

Yea, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. The NFL is not Madden Football for the playstation or Xbox. Your video game mentality is really showing on this one.

Ironic, considering your lack of intelligence is likely directly related to spending too much time in front of your Playstation.

 

[CoCo]

I've only paid casual attention to it of late but my observation is that Romo is in fact pretty fixated on TO & Witten. I think that is fueled by the fact that they are both tops at their position and the fact that he is more often than not under considerable pressure.

Romo's response truly is understandable if not predictable. I think it makes sense that most often Roy is the 3rd option at this point. Its just as likely that Romo is uncomfortable with Roy in our offense as it is Roy himself still learning.

Romo is doing a TON of multi-tasking right now in a very small window of time. Its not stupid of Romo to look TO, Witten, then dumpoff in that order when he is under enormous pass rush pressure as it seems he most often is when we're playing Pitt/NY/Ravens.

 

[cowboys2233]

Not taking sides here because, as I said above, there's not much clear evidence yet either way. Having said that - we have to be careful with these stats for a couple reasons. First, we don't what chunk of RW's #s are from Detroit where he was on a really crappy team. Second, Witten's percentage (as great as he is) would predictably be higher since his routes are generally shorter as a TE.

I'll buy the shorter route scenario generating a higher success rate, but it does give some basis as to why Romo would be looking Witten's way more often and why these two WRs really shouldn't be complaining about secret meetings between Romo and Witten.

Whatever the reason is (shorter routes, Witten is just more consistent, etc), Witten's success rate is far higher and as a result, Romo should be looking his way more often than the other two.

 

[Randy White]

Too funny, you just proved why Romo does look Witten's way more often when in tight situations and when the game is one the line and why he looks Roy's way least often.

It figures you'd come up to that conclusion. It just shows how clueless you are.

What I just proved is that the offense is structure in a way that does not allow RW to put up big numbers. There's too much talent on this team for that to happen.

Just going by your silly argument, why is it that Romo keeps looking more to T.O. ( 20 more times ) despite of him only catching the ball 48% of the time as oppose to Witten, who's catching it 67% ?

Oh, and by the way, just to give you another lesson: Witten is not always " open ". But, he's got such great hands that even in coverage he makes the catches.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

I give King zero credence about anything because of his asinine view of Bob Hayes worthiness to be in the Hall Of Fame. He is very short sighted and a Cowboy hater.

So anything he says, I take with a grain of salt.

 

[cowboys2233]

I've only paid casual attention to it of late but my observation is that Romo is in fact pretty fixated on TO & Witten. I think that is fueled by the fact that they are both tops at their position and the fact that he is more often than not under considerable pressure.

Which is a purely subjective opinion (even more so because you admit you've only paid casual attention to it).

And again, you have no idea what Romo has seen in the past. As you say, he is under considerable pressure. If he only has one or two options before time runs out and he has seen that Roy is covered more often than not, it makes perfect sense to avoid that option since his options are very limited to begin with.

 

[superonyx]

So...now you're saying that a QB does have time to look at a couple of options? But you said Romo didn't have time to look Roy's way and then go to either Owens or Witten in your previous post.

Get back to me when you start making sense. You are clueless.

Dude..... trying to stay neutral here but it look like Randy White just owned you.

You come on here with your anti Roy Williams agenda and want to point to lack of passes thrown his way as proof that you were right. Come on. So i guess you think that all the passes caught in Texas and Detroit were flukes?
You really are trying to sell this board on the idea that Roy Williams sucks?
I guess you know more than the rest of the NFL. If he was a loser all these years and has caught nothing then i could see your point. But this man has been productive enough at his job to make a probowl and to get traded for several good draft picks. He isnt a talentless fluke that you are trying to make him out to be.

Please admit your anti RW bias so we can maintain some respect for your football IQ moving forward.

 

[Randy White]

So...now you're saying that a QB does have time to look at a couple of options? But you said Romo didn't have time to look Roy's way and then go to either Owens or Witten in your previous post.

Dude, you can't possibly be this obtused..


or maybe you can..

 

[superonyx]

Which is a purely subjective opinion (even more so because you admit you've only paid casual attention to it).

And again, you have no idea what Romo has seen in the past. As you say, he is under considerable pressure. If he only has one or two options before time runs out and he has seen that Roy is covered more often than not, it makes perfect sense to avoid that option since his options are very limited to begin with.

Ok since you want to keep telling us that RW is never open and thats why is isnt getting the ball at least give us the proof and insiders sources you have at Valley Ranch or NFL films so we can all see these films of every snap from the downfield receivers perspective. It must be nice having access to every play from multiple angles.

 

[cowboys2233]

Dude..... trying to stay neutral here but it look like Randy White just owned you.

Then you're not paying attention. He tried to suggest in his first post that Romo doesn't have time to look at Roy, see that he isn't open, and then go to a second option. This is his exact quote...

You're saying that Romo actually looks RW's way, but since he's not open, he then chooses to throw to T.O. or Witten. As if Tony has that much time to begin with.

And I pointed out how ******** that was. A quarterback goes to his second option with regularity, and he suggests that a QB doesn't have enough time to go to a second option in his post I just referenced. Go play with each other's joysticks boy, you're boring me.

 

[cowboys2233]

Dude, you can't possibly be this obtused..


or maybe you can..

This "obtused," huh? Good lord...

 

[fanfromvirginia]

I'll buy the shorter route scenario generating a higher success rate, but it does give some basis as to why Romo would be looking Witten's way more often and why these two WRs really shouldn't be complaining about secret meetings between Romo and Witten.

Whatever the reason is (shorter routes, Witten is just more consistent, etc), Witten's success rate is far higher and as a result, Romo should be looking his way more often than the other two.

I agree with all of that but think the key point of contention is TO v RW. That seems murkier to me.

 

[5Countem5]

This "obtused," huh? Good lord...

The final shelter of the pwned,,, Bring up typos...

 

[superonyx]

Because Roy isn't Steve Smith, either in quickness or in toughness. Nor is he Michael Irvin, who was great at using his body. If we trying throwing slants to Roy Williams, they will most assuredly get picked off by the DB who is blanketing him.

I thought the comments Wade about throwing the ball to Roy were laughable. Didn't he say something to the effect that Roy isn't often open, but we still need to throw him the ball because of his height advantage? Yeah, swell idea Wade. Let's just let Tony be responsible for placing the ball at the perfect height every time so Roy can get it but the defender can't.

Here's a better idea -- how about the guy you just gave a billion dollars to, the guy you gave up multiple draft picks for, get *****' open?

I think you need to remember what you said. But just in case you cant i will remind you. You said Roy isnt quick, cant use his body, and is completely overrated.

So tell us how you know this.
Tell us how many inside films you have watched or even detroit lions games where he was obviously awful in your eyes.
You call him overrated and say he cant get open. He cant catch slants, he has no quickness. Basically you are calling him useless.
So please explain how he fooled the rest of the league.
How he somehow managed to produce so many catches.
I am in the wrong line of work i guess. I am not quick, tough, and cant get open either. Why am i not making millions fooling the NFL into thinking i can play?

 

[alancdc]

Why? That just means you think Roy is an all-world receiver and you just assume he is getting open with regularity. Many on here disagreed with getting him in the first place, me included.

Roy being completely ineffective is exactly what I (and others) thought was going to happen because I (and others) think he is completely OVERRATED.

I don't understand this at all.