Peter King's draft nuggets

Hawkeye0202

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The thing I like about Peter ( same with Albert Breer ) is most if not all of their intel comes directly from league insiders. They both have strong trusted sources.......



https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/04/10/nfl-draft-2023-1984-peter-king-fmia/

FMIA: The NFL Draft is 17 Days Away, and Memories of a Draft Past Show How Much Has Changed​



I bet most NFL scouts don’t know there’s a late-first/early-second-round prospect in this draft who could throw 95 in high school and eschewed Tommy John surgery to concentrate on football.

Greg Cosell makes a point no one’s discussing a great player in this draft getting blanked by an okay player in college. Cosell knows things.

1. This is important: Most draft boards are not finalized. Keep in mind that most teams have their rankings done in pencil now, with the ability to change the order by position and overall. That’s an important thing to realize as we go down the home stretch. For instance, Georgia defensive tackle Jalen Carter is due to visit two teams in the top seven, Seattle (five) and Las Vegas (seven), in the coming days. How can Vegas GM Dave Ziegler and Seattle GM John Schneider finish their evaluation of Carter before sitting down with him at length? They can’t. So if you hear, “Carter’s out in Seattle,” for instance, it’s just not feasible.

3. The receivers are all bunched up. One team thinks it’s nuts for Ohio State’s Jaxon Smith-Njigba to be ranked ahead of USC’s Jordan Addison. Another team has BC’s Zay Flowers the top-ranked wideout on the board. In short, we’re going to see some surprises at receiver on draft night. Smith-Njigba caught just five passes last year for Ohio State as he battled and eventually succumbed to a hamstring injury. Addison caught 100 balls from Kenny Pickett at Pitt in 2021, then 59 more in a new offense for USC in 2022. With a lesser supporting cast at Boston College, Flowers caught 200 balls in four seasons and has been hugely impressive in interviews with teams. To me, Baltimore getting Addison or Flowers at 21 would be a big get in the Ravens’ only scheduled pick in the first two rounds.
 

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Interesting..........

5. I think Jalen Carter could be drafted fifth or 25 and I wouldn’t be surprised.

6. I think if I were Howie Roseman, I’d draft Bijan Robinson 10th overall, break the Eagles’ mold of always fortifying the two lines, and say to the world: Okay, you all try to stop Jalen Hurts, A.J. Brown, DeVonta Smith, Dallas Goedert and Bijan Robinson—I know you can’t.
 

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The more people I talk to, the more I agree with that veteran agent about the laughable mocks. There will be shocks on April 27.

the reach talk will be funny
Yep......I mean how many truly trusted draft gurus are out there now? We also have to remember these guys are NOT so-called experts. Not one has access to players. Remember when Mike Mayock was one of the best but what happened when got a chance to do it for real?



What happened to Mike Mayock?


On January 17, 2022, Mayock was fired by the Raiders after the team's first playoff game since 2016. The Raiders' overall record with Mayock was 25–24 in the regular season and 0–1 in the playoffs.
 

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A few ill-informed opinions mixed with one 1 interesting fact.(Forbes could pitch 95 m.p.h.

25-24 is a pretty decent record for a GM not even given enough time to allow the first group of draft picks to reach the final year of their initial contracts.
 

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A few ill-informed opinions mixed with one 1 interesting fact.(Forbes could pitch 95 m.p.h.

25-24 is a pretty decent record for a GM not even given enough time to allow the first group of draft picks to reach the final year of their initial contracts.

:huh:

Oakland / Las Vegas Raiders[edit]​

On December 31, 2018, Mayock was hired to be the general manager of the Oakland Raiders.[13] One of Mayock's first splashes as general manager was trading for embittered Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver Antonio Brown. In his first draft with the team, Mayock used the team's three first-round picks on Clelin Ferrell, Josh Jacobs, and Johnathan Abram. Mayock was involved in a heated verbal exchange with Brown during a practice session prior to the start of the 2019 NFL season, in which Brown insulted Mayock as a "cracker". The altercation allegedly stemmed from an Instagram post in which Brown displayed a letter from Mayock that detailed approximately $54,000 in fines for absences during training camp, which led to Brown being released and eventually signing with the New England Patriots.[14]

On January 17, 2022, Mayock was fired by the Raiders after the team's first playoff game since 2016. The Raiders' overall record with Mayock was 25–24 in the regular season and 0–1 in the playoffs. Some of the Raiders' best picks during Mayock's tenure came after Round 1 including Trayvon Mullen (who was traded for a 7th round pick in 2022[15]), Maxx Crosby, and Hunter Renfrow in 2019—and Divine Deablo and Nate Hobbs in 2021.[16] None of Mayock's first round picks in the 2020 and 2021 NFL drafts (Henry Ruggs, Damon Arnette, and Alex Leatherwood) lasted a little more than a year with the team.[17] Mayock has claimed he was fired, in part, for his belief that Rich Bisaccia should have been retained as head coach.[18]
 

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As soon as Mayock became GM, he likely didn't spend his days watching video of college players. He should have been working on reorg, probably still had the stench of the raiders organization
 

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8. Hearing a lot about Emmanuel Forbes, the Mississippi State cornerback. Interesting story. Forbes was a high school pitcher who threw in the mid-nineties until suffering an elbow injury. Then he switched full-time to football, and what a college career he had: 14 career picks, six pick-sixes, zero games missed due to injury. He may slip to the second round because he weighs only about 170, but one team believes he can play comfortably and with more strength at 185. At 6-1 and running a sub-4.4 40-yard dash, Forbes should go no lower than late in the first, even with the weight question.
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8. Hearing a lot about Emmanuel Forbes, the Mississippi State cornerback. Interesting story. Forbes was a high school pitcher who threw in the mid-nineties until suffering an elbow injury. Then he switched full-time to football, and what a college career he had: 14 career picks, six pick-sixes, zero games missed due to injury. He may slip to the second round because he weighs only about 170, but one team believes he can play comfortably and with more strength at 185. At 6-1 and running a sub-4.4 40-yard dash, Forbes should go no lower than late in the first, even with the weight question.
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We have been touting Forbes for weeks, I think he is one of their main targets at 26.
 

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We have been touting Forbes for weeks, I think he is one of their main targets at 26.
I can see that. Gotta hope he can put on weight. At least 15. There's just no way you can survive at 166 lbs.
 

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He plays tougher then that weight would indicate, get him over 180, he will be fine. Heard he is already over 170.
Agreed, the obsession with press-man honestly doesn't make much sense, especially given how many decent coverage corners this team has passed on. Kelvin Joseph at #44 overall when Asante Samuel Jr. is sitting right there? Get out of here with that crap. If your scheme is causing you to draft like an idiot when you're otherwise pretty good at it, then modify the scheme. This is how you end up with a bunch of workout warriors who can't play.
 

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Yep......I mean how many truly trusted draft gurus are out there now? We also have to remember these guys are NOT so-called experts. Not one has access to players. Remember when Mike Mayock was one of the best but what happened when got a chance to do it for real?



What happened to Mike Mayock?


On January 17, 2022, Mayock was fired by the Raiders after the team's first playoff game since 2016. The Raiders' overall record with Mayock was 25–24 in the regular season and 0–1 in the playoffs.
What would access to the players provide?

Access to scouts and GMs are what a lot of these guys have which is more telling of how teams view prospects.
 

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We have been touting Forbes for weeks, I think he is one of their main targets at 26.
Are we just assuming he can play the slot? Or is he taking Gilly or Trevons job? Or is Trevon getting traded? Because it seems like a misuse of draft capital taking a corner after the Gilmore trade
 
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