Peyton Hillis

[DeepBleu]

hillis will be miami's 5th round draft choice. if we want this guy, then better take him in the 4th, although it wouldn't shock me if parcells take him with the opening pick on day 2.

 

[conner01]

i don't think hillis is going to last to the 5th rnd. i think he will be gone by the 3rd at the latest

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I really like him. David Lee said he had superior, "Terry Glenn-like" hands. And if you've watched him, he really does.

I always thought of him as more of an H-back because he's such a good receiver, but in the Senior Bowl he looked like he had a better burst carrying the ball than I remembered.

Only problem is that I don't think he really fits our system. I bet Parcells would love him as a Richie Anderson-type FB that can run a little and catch.

I don't see how he doesn't, Deon Anderson was noted for his receiving abilities coming out of UConn

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I don't see how he doesn't, Deon Anderson was noted for his receiving abilities coming out of UConn

Yeah, but he was just a 6th rounder... He might have been seen as a special teamer as much as anything.

I'm just going on the talk that we'd rather have a big brusing lead blocker like Moose. I'm sure Garrett could make Hillis work, it's just a question of if he's what we really want.

Personally, I'd love to have the guy on my team.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Yeah, but he was just a 6th rounder...

true, but we traded up in the 6th to get him

He might have been seen as a special teamer as much as anything.

true that as well

I'm just going on the talk that we'd rather have a big brusing lead blocker like Moose. I'm sure Garrett could make Hillis work, it's just a question of if he's what we really want.

Personally, I'd love to have the guy on my team.

true, true, and Moose was a pretty good receiver as well

 

[BigDave95]

He doesn't know. That's the worst player assessment I've ever read. SCHMITT is the most versatile FB to come out in years, not Hillis. He's the nastiest blocker, a tremendous receiver out of the backfield (and lined up at TE). The guy can even punt for crissakes. Oh yeah, he can run too. He's got a top gear that is extremely rare for a man his size.

You could not be more wrong. Schmitt may be a better blocker but nowhere NEAR Hillis when it comes to being a receiving threat out of the backfield.

This season Schmitt had 12 catches for 121 yards and 1 TD.

Hillis had 49 catches for 537 yards and 5 TD's.

It's not even a comparison when discussing who the better receiver is. Who cares if they lined Schmitt up at TE? They obviously didn't throw it to him as he averaged less than ONE catch per game.

And I also don't really care if he can punt either. I'm thinking he'd have a hard time beating out McBriar.

Get a clue....

 

[BigDave95]

You could not be more wrong. Schmitt may be a better blocker but nowhere NEAR Hillis when it comes to being a receiving threat out of the backfield.

This season Schmitt had 12 catches for 121 yards and 1 TD.

Hillis had 49 catches for 537 yards and 5 TD's.

It's not even a comparison when discussing who the better receiver is. Who cares if they lined Schmitt up at TE? They obviously didn't throw it to him as he averaged less than ONE catch per game.

And I also don't really care if he can punt either. I'm thinking he'd have a hard time beating out McBriar.

Get a clue....

And their career receiving numbers per espn.com:

Owen Schmitt - 32 receptions, 288 yards, 2 TD's
Peyton Hillis - 118 receptions, 1195 yards, 11 TD's

Yes. Those are real comparable...

 

[Rack]

Lining up Schmidt at TE doesn't mean he's a great reciever. Teams sometime put a lineman at TE.


It does mean he can block at the point of attack (it's way different blocking from the line than it is blocking from the FB position, I've done both). That's still a good thing, especially in the cowboys offense.


No doubt Hillis is a better reciever though and that would really be a matchup nightmare for opposing defenses.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

You could not be more wrong. Schmitt may be a better blocker but nowhere NEAR Hillis when it comes to being a receiving threat out of the backfield.

This season Schmitt had 12 catches for 121 yards and 1 TD.

Hillis had 49 catches for 537 yards and 5 TD's.

It's not even a comparison when discussing who the better receiver is. Who cares if they lined Schmitt up at TE? They obviously didn't throw it to him as he averaged less than ONE catch per game.

And I also don't really care if he can punt either. I'm thinking he'd have a hard time beating out McBriar.

Get a clue....

And you are just as wrong saying he is completely one dimensional.

He is not the receiving threat of hillis but to say he is one dimensional is flat out silly.

Plus he is already about 20 lbs heavier than Hillis.

For comparisons sake you could go with...

Owen - Moose
Hillis - Richie Anderson

Now I would be very happy with either of these guys, but to say he is one dimensional is just silly.

Oddly for a player that is so one dimensional, as you claim...his averages seem about the same.

Average rushing yards per carry over his career...

Owen - 6.36
Petyon - 4.65

Average yards per reception...

Owen - 9.06
Peyton - 9.52

So it would seem the totals for rushing and receiving is more an option of how each team ran their offense...because it is clear by the averages that he was just as good when he had his chances.

Furthermore he did punt on occasion and he also played on special teams. If you watched the Fiesta bowl you would notice he was the player that made the bone jarring tackle on special teams that pretty much ended the game for the sooners.

So whether that would ever play into what the cowboys would do with him, punting, it still shows he is more than one dimensional.

Now there is one area where Peyton clearly has the edge on Owen as far as the possibility of him becoming a Dallas Cowboy.

He is a razorback and Jerry loves Arkansas.

 

[BigDave95]

I believe the only contribution Schmitt would make to the Cowboys is as a lead blocker. That's the reason for my "one dimensional" comment. I don't see him as being that significant an upgrade over Anderson in the receiving or rushing department.

On the other hand though, Hillis would bring a whole new dimension to the offense with his far superior receiving ability. He could be a real weapon out of the backfield and would be something that defenses had to account for.

That's the difference as I see it.

 

[tomson75]

You could not be more wrong. Schmitt may be a better blocker but nowhere NEAR Hillis when it comes to being a receiving threat out of the backfield.

This season Schmitt had 12 catches for 121 yards and 1 TD.

Hillis had 49 catches for 537 yards and 5 TD's.

It's not even a comparison when discussing who the better receiver is. Who cares if they lined Schmitt up at TE? They obviously didn't throw it to him as he averaged less than ONE catch per game.

And I also don't really care if he can punt either. I'm thinking he'd have a hard time beating out McBriar.

Get a clue....

You've fallen victim to basing your entire argument on stats...and you're still wrong in your assessment. You can't compare the two players stats when you have one team that throws more (especially dump offs), and their ONLY revieving threat is the guy you're trying to compare. Who else did they throw to at Arkansas? NO ONE.

The very argument you're trying to convince yourself of is the very reason your wrong. It's possible that that is the only thing he'd be capable of doing in the NFL. His higher number of receptions doesn't reflect Owen's inability to catch. He can, and if you had ever watched him play you'd know that. Apparently you haven't.

Having lined up at TE is also a reflection of Schmitt's ability to grasp more than one position, furthering his versatility. But I guess you don't care about that.

And their career receiving numbers per espn.com:

Owen Schmitt - 32 receptions, 288 yards, 2 TD's
Peyton Hillis - 118 receptions, 1195 yards, 11 TD's

Yes. Those are real comparable...

You're neat. Roll your eyes all you want...it's clear to me who's clueless here.

I believe the only contribution Schmitt would make to the Cowboys is as a lead blocker. That's the reason for my "one dimensional" comment. I don't see him as being that significant an upgrade over Anderson in the receiving or rushing department.

On the other hand though, Hillis would bring a whole new dimension to the offense with his far superior receiving ability. He could be a real weapon out of the backfield and would be something that defenses had to account for.

That's the difference as I see it.

Again, saying Hillis' ability to catch is "far superior" to Scmitt's is ridiculous. Watch a WVU game, he looks as natural coming out of the backfield as any college FB I've seen in years.

Hillis' would be a weapon out of the backfield. I'd like to have another receiving threat too, but not at the cost of pass protection and run blocking...or have you forgotten about those aspects of the game?

You're "one dimensional" comment IS a terrible assessment...unless damn near every other scout in the country is wrong. If that's the case, kudos.

The guy is a football player. Don't take it personal.

 

[BigDave95]

His higher number of receptions doesn't reflect Owen's inability to catch. He can, and if you had ever watched him play you'd know that. Apparently you haven't.

I saw him play in 4 games this year and he had 3 receptions in those 4 games. So if you watched every one of his snaps this season, you saw this wonderful receiver catch exactly 9 more passes than me... the entire year.

It's absolutely moronic to suggest he was some great receiver because the bottom line is he didn't catch any passes. Stats aren't a complete argument but they aren't completely irrelevant either.

Having lined up at TE is also a reflection of Schmitt's ability to grasp more than one position, furthering his versatility.

Are you really this clueless about basic principles of football?? Teams line up OT's all the time at a TE position. Is it because of their wonderful hands and route-running ability or is it for blocking purposes??? Hmmmm.....

Again, saying Hillis' ability to catch is "far superior" to Scmitt's is ridiculous. Watch a WVU game, he looks as natural coming out of the backfield as any college FB I've seen in years.

If you won't at least admit that Hillis' ability to catch is far superior than Schmitt's then I'm wasting my time and you can't be helped. Make the case that Schmitt is the better all around FB, a dominant blocker, better in pass pro, a better PUNTER for chrissakes but if you won't admit Hillis is a better receiver, you are beyond help.

 

[tomson75]

I saw him play in 4 games this year and he had 3 receptions in those 4 games. So if you watched every one of his snaps this season, you saw this wonderful receiver catch exactly 9 more passes than me... the entire year.

It's absolutely moronic to suggest he was some great receiver because the bottom line is he didn't catch any passes. Stats aren't a complete argument but they aren't completely irrelevant either.



Are you really this clueless about basic principles of football?? Teams line up OT's all the time at a TE position. Is it because of their wonderful hands and route-running ability or is it for blocking purposes??? Hmmmm.....



If you won't at least admit that Hillis' ability to catch is far superior than Schmitt's then I'm wasting my time and you can't be helped. Make the case that Schmitt is the better all around FB, a dominant blocker, better in pass pro, a better PUNTER for chrissakes but if you won't admit Hillis is a better receiver, you are beyond help.

Again, the clueless moron comments are completely unwarranted, but if you want to act like a child, feel free to do so.

You are aware that there are other means of getting a look at players other than watching games on saturday, are you not. I'd like to see more from him as well, but from what I've seen, and from what other people (whom have seen far more than the two of us) have written, he's not the stone handed cretin your making him out to be.

If you can't grasp the concept that your assessment is wrong, I can't help you either. The simple fact is, you don't know what your talking about. This is not a reflection of Hillis' skills. As I've said, I like him, but he's NOT more versatile than Schmitt. I just don't think it's fair to degrade Schmitt's ability because he hasn't been offered the same number of opportunities. If you'll note, I did say that its fair to say that Hillis is a better receiver than Schmitt on the first page of this thread...only in my opinion, it's only marginal.

Oh, and the basic principles of football can be greatly aided by simple deduction. You really think that lining up a OT and a 6'4" 250lb FB are going to have the same effect on a defense? Do you think they're capable of the same things? You know, kinda like what H-backs do? I hear they like versatile players there...

 

[BigDave95]

Again, the clueless moron comments are completely unwarranted, but if you want to act like a child, feel free to do so.

Now don't go getting your feelings hurt, princess. You're the one that attacked me with your very first words in this thread.

You are aware that there are other means of getting a look at players other than watching games on saturday, are you not. I'd like to see more from him as well, but from what I've seen, and from what other people (whom have seen far more than the two of us) have written, he's not the stone handed cretin your making him out to be.

So what you're saying is that even though he never caught passes in games, someone else who saw him practice said he was a good receiver. So you're basing your expert opinion on that and think he can do in the NFL what he couldn't in college... be a receiving threat. Got it.


Listen, we're not getting anywhere here. You're convinced that Schmitt and Hillis are comparable receivers and I think that's utterly ridiculous. We'll never convince the other so I'll just move on and we can agree to disagree.

 

[tomson75]

Now don't go getting your feelings hurt, princess. You're the one that attacked me with your very first words in this thread.

I said your analysis was garbage. That's a critique, not an attack. It appears your the one whose feelings were hurt. So sorry.

So what you're saying is that

You haven't grasped a word I've typed in this whole thread...or are at least deliberately trying to avoid the point that I was actually trying to make.

even though he never caught passes in games

Does it make you feel more correct to bolster your views with completely innacurate comments like these? I hope its working.

someone else who saw him practice said he was a good receiver.

Several "someones" actually...and they've seen more from these guys than you and I have put together. Perhaps, they just might be more qualified, too.

So you're basing your expert opinion on that

I never said my opinion was "expert". Is yours?

...and I'm basing this more on what I've seen from him on the field and in old footage. I guess I just got lucky that they agree with me.

and think he can do in the NFL what he couldn't in college... be a receiving threat. Got it.

Who said he couldn't do it other than you? Oh, thats right...no one. Again, you've missed the boat here. The guy is good receiver, especially for his size...the stats don't tell the story here.

Listen, we're not getting anywhere here.

Hey, look at that! We agree on something!

You're convinced that Schmitt and Hillis are comparable receivers and I think that's utterly ridiculous.

Perhaps, but not nearly as ridiculous as your "one dimensional" analysis of Schmitt.

We'll never convince the other so I'll just move on and we can agree to disagree.

That's fine with me. Cheers.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Based on past statements by our coaching staff, I'd think that Hillis is probably more of a fit for us. I believe that Phillips has said he likes his FBs to be a threat coming out of the backfield. If we take a FB, I think it would be somebody more like Hillis then Schmitt.

 

[BigDave95]

Perhaps, but not nearly as ridiculous as your "one dimensional" analysis of Schmitt.

Let me try and break it down for you like this:

Coming out of college, Deon Anderson was regarded as being a solid but not spectacular receiver. He had good hands and was very capable receiving out of the backfield. In fact he had more receptions than Schmitt in every year he played. He's a very good blocker and an excellent special teams player.

There's no area in which Schmitt would be a significant upgrade over what we already have.

Is he a marginally better blocker? Maybe. Is he a better runner? Probably. A better receiver? They're probably equal. But there's no area where drafting Schmitt will make this team significantly better.

Peyton Hillis on the other hand would bring a whole new dimension to the offense. The threat of him coming out of the backfield IS a significant upgrade. It WILL make a difference in how defenses play us and the gameplans JG can put together.

That's my point. Schmitt doesn't give us anything we don't already have. Hillis does.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

This guy will deserve consideration......a big time player and receiver out of the back field

 

[BigDave95]

No disrespect to Hillis, as I think he's a fine FB...and wouldn't mind seeing him wear a star either, but he's not the talent that Schmitt is IMO.

I miss all of the great pre-draft Hillis vs Schmitt debates.

I searched all over the field for Owen this past Thursday at Texas Stadium but couldn't find him anywhere.

Let's take a look at their last five games:

Hillis:
57 carries, 271 yards. 4 TD's
12 receptions, 164 yards, 1TD

Schmitt:
3 carries, 19 yards, 0 TD
5 receptions, 23 yards, 0TD

Hmmmmm, I still can't make up my mind.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I miss all of the great pre-draft Hillis vs Schmitt debates.

I searched all over the field for Owen this past Thursday at Texas Stadium but couldn't find him anywhere.

Let's take a look at their last five games:

Hillis:
57 carries, 271 yards. 4 TD's
12 receptions, 164 yards, 1TD

Schmitt:
3 carries, 19 yards, 0 TD
5 receptions, 23 yards, 0TD

Hmmmmm, I still can't make up my mind.

You do realize they are using Hillis as a RB now instead of a FB in denver right?