PFT: 'Boys eyeing Javon Walker

[TellerMorrow34]

I don't know..those scare me equally, honestly.

A Linebacker is, or should anyway, going to be in a LOT more violent colisions than a reciever will.

The head injury worries me a great deal.

 

[theogt]

I think it's the type of injury that makes it different - at least for me.

A receiver with a bad wheel scares me more than a linebacker with a concussion does.

And a lot of people thought Terry Glenn was done last season, but he played in the playoff game and could be back next season full-time after multiple knee injuries. People thought Greg Ellis was done.

 

[LucaBrasi]

I'm not wild about Thomas either, but at least he can bring some leadership to a defense that sorely needs it. The concussion and his age are major question marks.

 

[Stash]

And a lot of people thought Terry Glenn was done last season, but he played in the playoff game and could be back next season full-time after multiple knee injuries. People thought Greg Ellis was done.

Yeah, but what did Glenn really contribute when he did come back?

I really don't want to take the risk of keeping Glenn around either.

But that's just my opinion.

 

[superpunk]

And a lot of people thought Terry Glenn was done last season, but he played in the playoff game and could be back next season full-time after multiple knee injuries. People thought Greg Ellis was done.

If I'm not mistaken, Walker has been "recovering" from this knee injury for quite some time. With players like Ellis and Thomas, their medical status was not in question for nearly so long.

 

[skinsscalper]

That's what I've been thinking Theebs... why not just wait for his release?

Now if there are enough teams interested and Walker is willing to renegotiate his current contract, then I could see us giving a later round pick for him, just to keep him off the open market. Sort of like we did for Terry Glenn.

Anything much more than a late round pick though, and I'd wonder why not wait until he's released.

I don't agree with the trade angle on ANY level (regardless of how low the draft pick is). You're still stuck trying to re-negotiate a contract on a guy who thinks he's worth more than he (currently) is. There's no need to go through the headache of all that when it's almost guaranteed he'll be released anyway. Let him find his value on the market, after he's released and see if his numbers jive with our numbers. If so, great! If not, then no big deal.

I would be in favor of a deal like Owens' is set up. Perform well and make it an easy decision to pick up your roster bonus. Flake out (on or off the field) and your history.

BTW. Love the King Diamond avy

My god I thought this was going to be about Javon Kearse. I would have had a heart attack.

You and me both. I almost threw up a little.

 

[theogt]

If I'm not mistaken, Walker has been "recovering" from this knee injury for quite some time. With players like Ellis and Thomas, their medical status was not in question for nearly so long.

I don't know the full extent of the injury. None of us really do. That's kind of my point. None of us knew the full extent of Glenn's injury or Ellis' injury either. Yet people were determined to argue that they were "done."

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think it's the type of injury that makes it different - at least for me.

A receiver with a bad wheel scares me more than a linebacker with a concussion does.

Dan Morgan makes one reconsider.

 

[superpunk]

I don't know the full extent of the injury. None of us really do. That's kind of my point. None of us knew the full extent of Glenn's injury or Ellis' injury either. Yet people were determined to argue that they were "done."

Whether or not he's done, he's had some problems staying on the field.

Apprehension of Walker more than Thomas also probably has alot to do with the state of the positions on our team. At LB we have a glut of 20 year old, athletic players. At WR, we've got TO, a couple 30+ year old receivers behind him and then some potential in Austin, and Stanback. So myself I'm a little more inclined to go after an older LB than a WR, where we're already old and in desperate need of a legitimate youth movement.

 

[theogt]

Whether or not he's done, he's had some problems staying on the field.

Apprehension of Walker more than Thomas also probably has alot to do with the state of the positions on our team. At LB we have a glut of 20 year old, athletic players. At WR, we've got TO, a couple 30+ year old receivers behind him and then some potential in Austin, and Stanback. So myself I'm a little more inclined to go after an older LB than a WR, where we're already old and in desperate need of a legitimate youth movement.

I dunno, Jerry keeps going on about the young talent we have at WR. I wouldn't cross this guy off the list too hastily.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Funny that everyone says that about Walker, but not about Thomas.

I believe it about both. But Walker doesn't have that famed leadership Thomas is going to bring to the table...

And Walker has two bad knees vs Zach being one hit away from having mush in his brain.

 

[superpunk]

I believe it about both. But Walker doesn't have that famed leadership Thomas is going to bring to the table...

And Walker has two bad knees vs Zach being one hit away from having mush in his brain.

Quit hatin'. Walker also doesn't represent the same upgrade that a Zach Thomas does over scrub-*** Akin Ayodele, healthy or otherwise.

 

[skinsscalper]

I dunno, Jerry keeps going on about the young talent we have at WR. I wouldn't cross this guy off the list too hastily.

With all due respect, Jerry sang the same song about Wayne Mcgarrity (sp?), Randal Williams, Skyler Green, the kid from Sacred Heart. The list goes on and on with young guys that Jerry was high on.

At this point I take all that jibberish with a grain of salt.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Quit hatin'. Walker also doesn't represent the same upgrade that a Zach Thomas does over scrub-*** Akin Ayodele, healthy or otherwise.

Not hatin' This has little to do with Ayodele. I'm being consistent. I'd rather the 'boys didn't bring in guys coming off season-filled and/or ending injuries.

Thomas is aboard, but it doesn't lessen my concern about the ease in which he could get a head injury that would make him ineffective.

When healthy, pre-ACL, Walker was a legit #1. Now he's got beat up knees and for a WR, I think that's a huge factor in their effectiveness. He spent the majority of last season nursing a knee injury. I don't see the logic in bringing in a receiver with bad knees to replace a guy with a bad knee.

Lose-lose no matter how you look at it.

 

[CoCo]

Q - Why trade for a guy who might possibly be released?
A - Because you then don't have to compete on the open market for the guy. It can create a preferred set of circumstances.

Q - Isn't Walker damaged goods? Hasn't he proven by begging out of Green Bay that its all about money with the guy? Who wants to pay big $$ for damaged goods?
A - No one. Thats why Walker, if he wants to play, will have to accept the market impact of his injury on his contract. So don't think that Dallas or anyone else will be paying Walker big $$ for 2008. He'll play under a market reasonable contract or not at all.

Q - Under the right circumstances, might Walker be of interest to Dallas?
A - IMO, of course! He's a significant talent. But any deal he strikes will have to take all the above into account.

There are parameters under which a move to Dallas (trade or otherwise) makes sense IMO. I doubt this option is #1 on our WR list given the apparent status of Walker's knee. But you need to know all the parameters and other available options before drawing any firm conclusions.

 

[Stash]

Not hatin' This has little to do with Ayodele. I'm being consistent. I'd rather the 'boys didn't bring in guys coming off season-filled and/or ending injuries.

Thomas is aboard, but it doesn't lessen my concern about the ease in which he could get a head injury that would make him ineffective.

When healthy, pre-ACL, Walker was a legit #1. Now he's got beat up knees and for a WR, I think that's a huge factor in their effectiveness. He spent the majority of last season nursing a knee injury. I don't see the logic in bringing in a receiver with bad knees to replace a guy with a bad knee.

Lose-lose no matter how you look at it.

Agreed.

(about Walker at least. I'm cautiously optimistic about Zach Thomas!)

 

[DR.WARE]

we need another wr but i dont think walker is the answer

 

[WoodysGirl]

Agreed.

(about Walker at least. I'm cautiously optimistic about Zach Thomas!)

Once a guy is signed, I always hope for the best.

You just never know about those head injuries. Even if Zach has been healthy for the bulk of his career, he's a little older now. Which, to me, means, that another concussion, even a mild one, would take that much longer for him to get over. Leadership, which is always a plus, doesn't mean much, if he can't get on the field.

 

[Woods]

I still think we end up drafting a WR high come the Draft. I think between rounds 1 - 3.

If JJ thinks that Glenn can still contribute for one more season, JJ can draft a WR this year and not rush him as much as he needs to.

If Glenn doesn't come back, FA doesn't really offer too much, esp. if R Williams and Fitz aren't going to be traded, and if Berrien is re-signed by the Bears and Moss by the Pats. You're going to end up spending a lot of money on guys like Hackett, Gage, or maybe Stallworth because the FA supply is so weak.

It just makes too much sense to draft a WR early this year.

 

[speedkilz88]

If they did make a deal with Denver for him it would be because its a minimal pick(6th-7th) and it would allow them to get a deal signed without being in the open market.

Another thing is that sometimes teams will say they are talking trade but in reality just using the situation to get contract parameters set up so when the player is released a deal can be struck quickly.