PFT.com: Irvin in over Monk sends bad message

[SkinsFan07]

POSTED 3:13 p.m. EST; UPDATED 3:23 p.m. EST, February 3, 2007

IRVIN OVER MONK SENDS A BAD MESSAGE


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Now that Cowboys receiver Michael Irvin has leap-frogged Commanders/Jets/Eagles receiver Art Monk into Canton, we think it's high time for everyone who appreciates the talents of someone who does their job, does it well, keeps his mouth shut, and stays out of trouble to stand up at shout: "Why!?!"

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Monk made it through 16 NFL seasons, and finished with 940 catches, 12,721 yards, and 68 touchdowns. He won three Super Bowl rings with three different quarterbacks (none of whom are or ever should be in the Hall of Fame) throwing the passes.

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Irvin played 12 years, and caught 750 passes for 11,904 yards and 65 touchdowns. He won three Super Bowls with Hall of Famer Troy Aikman distributing the pill.

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The only real difference between the two? Irvin was a loudmouth on the field, and a turd off of it. Monk was neither.
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We know. We know. A player's off-the-field exploits are not to be considered, per Hall of Fame bylaws. Well, why hasn't it occurred to someone to change the damn bylaws?

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What message does it send to kids out there when a receiver who acts responsibly and humbly on and off the field gets passed over by a guy with lesser career stats? And what happens if/when Irvin (who from time to time appears to be incoherent on the air) dishonors the assembly of busts (which per John Madden come to life at night and talk to each other) if/when Irvin gets arrested again?

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We've been to Canton, and it's weird to see O.J. Simpson's bust among all of the non-murderers. In his case, though, no one had an inkling that he might someday treat his ex-wife and her friend like a couple of Thanksgiving turkeys. For guys like Irvin, will anyone be surprised if/when he does something that will tarnish the entire body of players who represent true excellence in the sport?

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When a team drafts a guy with a history of misconduct and the player commits further misconduct after joining the team, the team that selected him rightly is criticized. We think that the organization and its selection committee fairly should face the same scrutiny if/when Irvin casts shame on the Hall of Fame.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

Just thought I'd share.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Hey stupid reporters, as well as Skins and Giants fans, let me get this through your skulls:

This isn't about Irvin vs. Monk.

So, stop trying to make it so.

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

coke addict over class act. I love the nfl

 

[SkinsFan07]

Hey stupid reporters, as well as Skins and Giants fans, let me get this through your skulls:

This isn't about Irvin vs. Monk.

So, stop trying to make it so.

did you even read the article?

 

[Goldenrichards83]

LOL, You would find a negative article. It must turn you guys stomache to refer to the Hall of famer Micheal Irvin.lol:laugh1:

 

[Cochese]

Who's Art Monk?

 

[smarta5150]

coke addict over class act. I love the nfl

Be angry Monk didnt get in but dont get your panties in a twist because another Star has entered the HoF.

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

LOL, You would find a negative article. It must turn you guys stomache to refer to the Hall of famer Micheal Irvin.lol:laugh1:

i could have cared less if Irvin made it into the hall of fame. But to put him over Monk is absolutly horrible

 

[DizzG]

Irvin haters are do damn silly

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

i could have cared less if Irvin made it into the hall of fame. But to put him over Monk is absolutly horrible

Be angry Monk didnt get in but dont get your panties in a twist because another Star has entered the HoF.

answer your statement?

 

[BigDFan5]

coke addict over class act. I love the nfl

better reciever went into the hall today

 

[Cochese]

coke addict over class act. I love the nfl

I think the hall of morality is located some where near your rectum.

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

better reciever went into the hall today

opinion says one thing. Stats say another

 

[SkinsFan07]

i could have cared less if Irvin made it into the hall of fame. But to put him over Monk is absolutly horrible

Nothing will change their minds.

In their opinions, Irvin was the greatest receiver to ever step foot on the football field. What a joke just the HOF voters.

 

[bbgun]

They should both be in, but you needn't tear Irvin down to build Monk up.

 

[smarta5150]

Nothing will change their minds.

In their opinions, Irvin was the greatest receiver to ever step foot on the football field. What a joke just the HOF voters.

You know what I love... I love Commander fans who come on a Cowboys forum to b*tch and moan about their guy getting "snubbed."

Go to your forums and cry about, you will find much more support over there than here. Stop wasting your time.

Great day for us, not so great for you. Maybe one day you will too, feel how we are feeling.

Until then... have fun with your overpaid cast their in our Nation's capital.

 

[SkinsFan07]

They should both be in, but you needn't tear Irvin down to build Monk up.

I didn't do it. PFT did.

 

[SultanOfSix]

did you even read the article?

Yes, I did.

It's not about Irvin vs. Monk.

But if you want to make it so go ahead if it makes you feel better. That's what the article tries to do. Denigrate someone's accomplishments to prop someone else up.

It's shoddy journalism and it reeks of whiny, little cry babies.

In four more years, Monk had only 800 yards more than Irvin, and 3 more TDs. He had a little less than 200 more receptions. Assuming Irvin would have played four more years, it's not only possible that he would average 50 receptions per year, it's probable. His stats would have been the same or better, and I haven't even gotten to how dominant Irvin was in the post-season. He always had the opposing team's best cornerback on him. The same cannot be said for Monk.

Monk deserves to get in. But, it's not Irvin's fault that he didn't.

So stop making it a versus thing.

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

They should both be in, but you needn't tear Irvin down to build Monk up.

Sorry if I came off a bit angry, its just a little disturbing for him to get snubbed for so many years.

the fact is, both deserved, and one shouldnt get in over the other, IMO

 

[BigDFan5]

opinion says one thing. Stats say another

facts and stats back me up

The fact that when taken in context of how many games they played Irvin was statistically dominant

Irvin led his team in receving yards 7 times
Monk 4 times

Irvin made the pro bowl 5 times
Monk 3 times

Irvin was top 10 in yards in the NFL 6 times
Monk 3 times


Irvin was top 10 in receving TDs in the NFL 5 times
Monk 1 time


Irvin was top 10 in yards from scrimmage 4 times
Monk never was

Both monk and Irvin finished top 10 in recptions 4 times


Monk averaged 56.8 yards per game
Irvin averaged 74.87 ypg


Monk averaged .30 TDs per game
Irvin averaged .41 TDs per game


Irvin had 7 seasons with over 1000 yards
Monk had 5


Irvin had 4.72 receptions per game
Monk averaged 4.2 rpg