PFT.com: Irvin in over Monk sends bad message

[doomsday81]

POSTED 3:13 p.m. EST; UPDATED 3:23 p.m. EST, February 3, 2007​

IRVIN OVER MONK SENDS A BAD MESSAGE​

Now that Cowboys receiver Michael Irvin has leap-frogged Commanders/Jets/Eagles receiver Art Monk into Canton, we think it's high time for everyone who appreciates the talents of someone who does their job, does it well, keeps his mouth shut, and stays out of trouble to stand up at shout: "Why!?!"​

Monk made it through 16 NFL seasons, and finished with 940 catches, 12,721 yards, and 68 touchdowns. He won three Super Bowl rings with three different quarterbacks (none of whom are or ever should be in the Hall of Fame) throwing the passes.​

Irvin played 12 years, and caught 750 passes for 11,904 yards and 65 touchdowns. He won three Super Bowls with Hall of Famer Troy Aikman distributing the pill.​

The only real difference between the two? Irvin was a loudmouth on the field, and a turd off of it. Monk was neither.​

We know. We know. A player's off-the-field exploits are not to be considered, per Hall of Fame bylaws. Well, why hasn't it occurred to someone to change the damn bylaws? ​

What message does it send to kids out there when a receiver who acts responsibly and humbly on and off the field gets passed over by a guy with lesser career stats? And what happens if/when Irvin (who from time to time appears to be incoherent on the air) dishonors the assembly of busts (which per John Madden come to life at night and talk to each other) if/when Irvin gets arrested again?​

We've been to Canton, and it's weird to see O.J. Simpson's bust among all of the non-murderers. In his case, though, no one had an inkling that he might someday treat his ex-wife and her friend like a couple of Thanksgiving turkeys. For guys like Irvin, will anyone be surprised if/when he does something that will tarnish the entire body of players who represent true excellence in the sport?​

When a team drafts a guy with a history of misconduct and the player commits further misconduct after joining the team, the team that selected him rightly is criticized. We think that the organization and its selection committee fairly should face the same scrutiny if/when Irvin casts shame on the Hall of Fame.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

Just thought I'd share.

What an ignorant argument and I'll give you my reasons. Warrick Dunn is one of the nicest, classiest guys in NFL history. In a few years from now, his numbers will be somewhat close to those of Corey Dillon but I think most would agree that Dillon was the far superior back over his career. However, Dillon is one of the worst people in the NFL. If you want to talk about a downright jerk, it's Dillon. So does that mean 8 years from now if I'm a Hall of Fame voter I should vote for Dunn over Dillon because he's a nice guy who didn't hit his girlfriend? Absolutely not. Dillon is the better player and more worthy to be in the Hall. Granted, Monk was a very good player but most people believe Irvin was the better receiver and that showed today. To say Monk should get in first because he didn't talk much is ludicrous.

 

[Rack]

Now that Cowboys receiver Michael Irvin has leap-frogged Commanders/Jets/Eagles receiver Art Monk into Canton, we think it's high time for everyone who appreciates the talents of someone who does their job, does it well, keeps his mouth shut, and stays out of trouble to stand up at shout: "Why!?!"

NFL history is littered with tons of players that did their job and shut their mouths... doesn't mean they deserve to be in the HOF.


And whether they shut their mouths or not has no bearing on who gets in.


IMO if a player was never in his career considered "Elite" then he doesn't deserve to be in the HOF. Irvin was an Elite player at one point, Monk never was.


And the fact that a skins fan is using an article from PFT to support their agenda says it all.


90% of what PFT posts is pure crap. This article is definitely part of that 90%.

 

[SkinsFan07]

oh im sorry, 2 whole receptions seperate him

riddle me this, if the number two reciever of all time retired today, would he deserve to be in HOF?

He would still deserve to get in, but until those voters are gone, he wouldn't get in.

Just like Adam Schefter said " what memorable catch did he have." That automatically makes him a no go for the HOF. Since he couldn't make the flashy cathes or do TD dances, he shouldn't be in!"

What a tool! Just goes to show you how much of a popularity contest the HOF is slowly becoming. And if Cris Carter gets in next year, my point will be further proven correct.

 

[MetalHead]

oh im sorry, 2 whole receptions seperate him

riddle me this, if the number two reciever of all time retired today, would he deserve to be in HOF?

2 whole receptions destroy your entire statement..I guess you don't know much,right?

As it stands Cris Carter and Tim Brown would both get in.
They too are better than Monk.

 

[BigDFan5]

I love how these skin trolls completely ignored BigDFan5's post .....

facts sting

 

[Muhast]

Skins fans explain how Irvin had 3 less tds 800 yards less, and monk played 4 more years.. how are you complaining about that?

Irvin was almost equal in yards and tds in 4 less seasons. So unless you want to argue the receptions arguement, stats are meaningless between the two.

it's more of a... Our guy vs your guy type deal. and thats why your upset.

 

[doomsday81]

Any "journalist" that calls a subject a turd is pretty dubious in their credibility.

Mike Florio isn't a journalist, he's a guy who started his own web site. He doesn't pretend to be a journalist and should never be mistaken for one.

 

[SkinsFan07]

As long as Darrell Green gets in next year, I'll be happy. And if he doesn't look for "HOF Voters killed in drive by days after Commanders CB Darrell Green was not selected to the HOF." in the news

j/k.

 

[doomsday81]

NFL history is littered with tons of players that did their job and shut their mouths... doesn't mean they deserve to be in the HOF.


And whether they shut their mouths or not has no bearing on who gets in.


IMO if a player was never in his career considered "Elite" then he doesn't deserve to be in the HOF. Irvin was an Elite player at one point, Monk never was.


And the fact that a skins fan is using an article from PFT to support their agenda says it all.


90% of what PFT posts is pure crap. This article is definitely part of that 90%.

I totally disagree. I think 95 percent of what PFT says is pure crap.

 

[SkinsFan07]

I totally disagree. I think 95 percent of what PFT says is pure crap.

Why? b/c they all don't praise the boys like the rest of the media does. (espn, si, etc)

 

[LucaBrasi]

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

 

[JFlgn]

ESPN praise the Cowboys?

 

[Cochese]

Why? b/c they all don't praise the boys like the rest of the media does. (espn, si, etc)

This is just getting stupid. Just because they write something you agree with means they have credibility?

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

What an ignorant argument and I'll give you my reasons. Warrick Dunn is one of the nicest, classiest guys in NFL history. In a few years from now, his numbers will be somewhat close to those of Corey Dillon but I think most would agree that Dillon was the far superior back over his career. However, Dillon is one of the worst people in the NFL. If you want to talk about a downright jerk, it's Dillon. So does that mean 8 years from now if I'm a Hall of Fame voter I should vote for Dunn over Dillon because he's a nice guy who didn't hit his girlfriend? Absolutely not. Dillon is the better player and more worthy to be in the Hall. Granted, Monk was a very good player but most people believe Irvin was the better receiver and that showed today. To say Monk should get in first because he didn't talk much is ludicrous.

Thats completly irrelevant. We are talking about a guy compared who was number 2 alltime when he retired, compared to someone who isnt even in the top 10 all time when he retires.

but ok, lets look at this another way. Should a guy who props himself up derserve the hall more than someone who stays humble?

 

[MetalHead]

Monk's only legacy is a sucky tv show with Tony Shalub.
Irvin's legacy?
They named a city after him and dropped Texas Stadium on it.They added the g at the end of Irving not to make it so obvious.

 

[SkinsFan07]

This is just getting stupid. Just because they write something you agree with means they have credibility?

No, they've written crap that I haven't agreed with plenty of times, but just b/c it's something that isn't saying anything good about your team, doesn't mean you automatically shoot it down and say it has no credibility.

It's not like what they say is completely ignorant and wrong anyway. There is def. alot of good info in there.

 

[Cochese]

]Monk's only legacy is a sucky tv show with Tony Shalub.[/B]
Irvin's legacy?
They named a city after him and dropped Texas Stadium on it.They added the g at the end of Irving not to make it so obvious.

 

[SkinsFan07]

This just goes to show you, that nice guys REALLY do finish last.

 

[Cochese]

This just goes to show you, that nice guys REALLY do finish last.

And Irvin isnt nice?

For all you know Art Monk screws married women and has a boy on the side.

 

[BigDFan5]

Irvin was a better reciever than Monk. The voters would have been ridiculed for selecting Monk and not Irvin.

Can any of you skins fans actually give a argument that says Monk is better? Any of you want to address the post I made that was ignored?