PFT: Competition Committee will propose killing plays when ball carrier loses helmet

[HanD]

i understand safety and am all for it. i just imagine what the uproar will be when it happens on a 4th and goal late in the season or the playoffs and the play is blown dead and no real danger was evident for the ball carrier like on a swing pass with just him and one defender.

 

[MapleLeaf]

Those statements explain a lot about your position. You and Gene Washington have a lot in common.

I played tackle football for 45 years and only about 4 of those were with a helmet.

Leave football to the MEN who aren't afraid to get hurt.

...no one in football can do what the men today can. Don;t even try to pass this nonsense over with this crowd.

I've spent a considerable amount of time with coaches in both the CFL and NFL in clinics and I don't know a single one who would agree with you in any way shape or form.

To glibly put out that you are much more of a man than anyone else who played with a helmet or is concerned about the safety of people shows exactly the kind of character who is dangerous to the players in professional sports today.

It's not about you or the values you carry, but rather about the people who have to deal with the threats of injuries in their lives everyday.

Things change and perceptions and information improve. Playing football without a helmet is stupid and views that feel it is more manly to do so are stupid also. Plain and simple!

 

[MapleLeaf]

The reason why I'm against blowing the play dead if the ball-carrier loses his helmet is imagine a play like the Witten play - it was game-changing. Without that long run, who knows what happens? Imagine if a player gets his helmet ripped off by the last DB on the field and runs helmet-less for a TD? Do you take the TD back and blow the play dead at the 40 yard line?

...blow the play dead at the point of the foul. Tack on 15 yards (the most given in the NFL) and continue play.

When it comes to the game is it only about TDs or do you have to watch another Darrly Stingley, Mike Utley, Mike Irvin to bring things back down to earth.

The game is only great because we get to see our sports heroes perform. It's terrible to watch people lay on the carpet only to wonder what is going to happen to them.

 

[MapleLeaf]

i understand safety and am all for it. i just imagine what the uproar will be when it happens on a 4th and goal late in the season or the playoffs and the play is blown dead and no real danger was evident for the ball carrier like on a swing pass with just him and one defender.

...judgement call. Just like every other ticky tacky pass interference, unseen holding call.

We have survived all these rule changes to this point to still continue to support the league and the excitement of the games.

Why should it be any different now, especially when it is concerning a rule over a dislodged helmet.

Outside of Witten's play how many can you show that have gone for significant yards to cross the goal line. Not enough in my opinion to mitigate overwhelmingly the number of plays that are called with questionable [pass interference.

If there is anything the competition committee and fans should be hot under the collar about intentional crossing patterns that rub out the defender. That uncalled "wink wink" play accounts for thousands of more yards and much more TDS than all the dislodged helmet plays of the past (50) years.

 

[Doomsday101]

...no one in football can do what the men today can. Don;t even try to pass this nonsense over with this crowd.

I've spent a considerable amount of time with coaches in both the CFL and NFL in clinics and I don't know a single one who would agree with you in any way shape or form.

To glibly put out that you are much more of a man than anyone else who played with a helmet or is concerned about the safety of people shows exactly the kind of character who is dangerous to the players in professional sports today.

It's not about you or the values you carry, but rather about the people who have to deal with the threats of injuries in their lives everyday.

Things change and perceptions and information improve. Playing football without a helmet is stupid and views that feel it is more manly to do so are stupid also. Plain and simple!

I agree. I know when I was playing and you got your bell rung as they called it the trainer would give you an ammonia capsule to help shake the cob webs then send you right back out there, what they failed to understand is people were dealing with minor concussion that can become a problem but as long as you could tell them how many fingers were being held up or where you were then everything was alright.

As trainers gained more knowledge their approach in dealing with certain injuries changed. You will never make the game 100% safe and injuries will always be a part of it but nothing wrong with trying prevent major injuries from happening or lessening the effect of those injuries.

 

[THUMPER]

...no one in football can do what the men today can. Don;t even try to pass this nonsense over with this crowd.

I've spent a considerable amount of time with coaches in both the CFL and NFL in clinics and I don't know a single one who would agree with you in any way shape or form.

To glibly put out that you are much more of a man than anyone else who played with a helmet or is concerned about the safety of people shows exactly the kind of character who is dangerous to the players in professional sports today.

It's not about you or the values you carry, but rather about the people who have to deal with the threats of injuries in their lives everyday.

Things change and perceptions and information improve. Playing football without a helmet is stupid and views that feel it is more manly to do so are stupid also. Plain and simple!

So what you're saying is that people today are pansies. I agree.

 

[AbeBeta]

Dumb. Just plain dumb. They do not enforce rules like making sure players have their helmets on tight and chinstraps fastened as it is.

maybe b/c you can't go around to every single player every single play to make sure....this you can see pretty clearly

 

[AbeBeta]

I agree. I know when I was playing and you got your bell rung as they called it the trainer would give you an ammonia capsule to help shake the cob webs then send you right back out there, what they failed to understand is people were dealing with minor concussion that can become a problem but as long as you could tell them how many fingers were being held up or where you were then everything was alright.

As trainers gained more knowledge their approach in dealing with certain injuries changed. You will never make the game 100% safe and injuries will always be a part of it but nothing wrong with trying prevent major injuries from happening or lessening the effect of those injuries.

You and Yee get it. I find it remarkable how cavalier folks on this board are when it comes to other people's well being.

 

[jackrussell]

I played tackle football for 45 years and only about 4 of those were with a helmet.

That explains alot.

 

[dfense]

So if you get beat on a post pattern, just rip your helmet off and toss it into the air!

 

[Doomsday101]

You and Yee get it. I find it remarkable how cavalier folks on this board are when it comes to other people's well being.

True it is not their bell being rung. I don't want to see the hitting and physical play go away from the game. I think the league over does it in protecting QB but I'm not opposed to what I find common sense rules.

If a ball carriers head gear comes off you put him at a bigger risk, fortunately this does not happen that often and normally when it does happen the play is over anyways.

Main thing is when these players days are done they have to live with the physical and mental outcome we don't so if the league can help in developing better equipment or making some common sense rules then do it.

 

[Doomsday101]

So if you get beat on a post pattern, just rip your helmet off and toss it into the air!

The rule only says the ball carrier helmet coming off.

 

[casmith07]

I just think they should examine the purpose behind helmets coming off, not the helmet coming off itself. It happens. Referees don't blow te play dead if your headband comes off in basketball or if your helmet comes off running the bases in baseball.

 

[Doomsday101]

I just think they should examine the purpose behind helmets coming off, not the helmet coming off itself. It happens. Referees don't blow te play dead if your headband comes off in basketball or if your helmet comes off running the bases in baseball.

Basketball and baseball are not as physical as football you have defenders with helmets trying to put that carrier down and a ball carrier with no protection to his head. Comparing a headband to a helmet? come on:laugh2:

 

[THUMPER]

That explains alot.

Doesn't it though.

 

[casmith07]

Basketball and baseball are not as physical as football you have defenders with helmets trying to put that carrier down and a ball carrier with no protection to his head. Comparing a headband to a helmet? come on:laugh2:

I'm comparing in-game events that are happenstance to one another.

You don't see the baseball competition committee lobbying for nets all around the fences so that people don't get blasted by home runs and foul balls (and they shouldn't. It's hilarious to watch guys take foul balls on the jaw at Turner Field because they can't catch :laugh2: )

 

[arglebargle]

So what you're saying is that people today are pansies. I agree.

Chest thumping gorilla cage that way ---->

 

[Kevinicus]

So...if they were really concerned with injuries from a lost helmet, why would they limit it to the ball carrier? A lineman without a helmet is ok? Only the ball carrier is at risk?

 

[sacase]

That's what I'm thinking too - how about a rule that all players must wear a 4-buckle chinstrap and it must be fully buckled at the start of every play?

Most players are smart enough to tackle a guy safely when he loses his helmet, a la the Witten play.

To further enhace this rule , they need to require all players to cut their hair for safety reasons as well. To much hair under the helmet causes the helmet to come off easier. I am looking at you BARBER!

 

[jswalker1981]

I can't believe that people think this is a stupid rule. You guys might as well say that helmets should be illegal. I don't care if it hasn't happened. IT COULD HAPPEN. And that is reason enough for me to be happy with the rule. I guess you guys don't wear your seatbelts because you haven't been in an accident. They should address helmets coming off. But IF THEY DO COME OFF, I would like to know that a player won't get permanent brain trama because they have a rule in place. This isn't a "if you slap a qb on the butt after a play it is called a personal foul" type of rule change. It is a "your helmet came off, we are going to stop the play before a LB launches himself at you head first and cracks your skull" type of rule change. Someone might as well walk up to you and hit you in the head with a hammer. Don't get upset, because hey, apparently only wusses get upset at that.