News: PFT: Fifth Circuit ruling possible in Elliott case on Monday

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Fifth Circuit ruling possible in Elliott case on Monday

The NFL the NFL Players Association head to a federal appeals court on Monday regarding the effort by the league either to stay the injunction that blocks the Ezekiel Elliott suspension or to dismiss entirely the Texas lawsuit that led to the injunction. Per an NFL source, the league believes it’s possible that the court will rule from the bench.

If the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit issues a decision during the hearing that dismisses the case for lack of subject matter jurisdiction, the federal lawsuit filed by the NFL in federal court in Manhattan will most likely proceed immediately. The league anticipates that Elliott and the NFLPA will then try to get the same injunction from the New York court that was secured in Texas. Absent that injunction (and the league believes its ultimate success in the Tom Brady litigation could block that injunction), the suspension would begin as soon as Week Five.

While it’s impossible to know what any court will do in any given case, the league is pleased with the fact that the appeals court scheduled oral argument on the issue, and that the court sought separate written argument on the question of whether jurisdiction exists in the Texas federal court. Those steps are interpreted as a sign that the court is taking seriously the question of whether the case should be dismissed.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...it-ruling-possible-in-elliott-case-on-monday/
Reality--Oh man i just read the report on PFT...this seems way wrong..just because someone filed early does not negate the subject matter that invaribly led to the injunction...do you know if Zeke can appeal 5th district and still play during appeal?
 

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Reality--Oh man i just read the report on PFT...this seems way wrong..just because someone filed early does not negate the subject matter that invaribly led to the injunction...do you know if Zeke can appeal 5th district and still play during appeal?
I believe the CBA has a clause that says something like all arbitration procedures must be completed before a court filing can be made or something like that. The NFL prefers to file in New York courts where they typically get favorable rulings, but the NFLPA jumped ahead to file in Texas before the procedures were completed and that is what the NFL is complaining about. That said, it is very suspicious that the appeal arbitrator, Harold Henderson, purposely waited until after the court announced their ruling just so they could claim it was done premature.

It has basically been gamesmanship on both sides throughout this whole process. The NFL showed their tactics against the NFLPA during last year's Brady court battle, so the NFLPA learned from that to make better strategical decisions this time and the NFL has been playing catch-up ever since. The main reason the NFL didn't try to change their strategy is because they won last time and they got what they assumed was an iron clad precedent when the courts ruled against Brady and the NFLPA last year by saying the CBA gave the NFL absolute power and control over player discipline.

However, in this case, the NFLPA didn't argue the NFL overstepped their authority. Instead, they are arguing the NFL conspired to manipulate the process by excluding evidence that went against the NFL's claims and also keeping information from the defense and the NFLPA as well. In other words, the NFL learned they may have just undermined their own iron clad ruling from last year not just in this case but also going forward as this could easily negate or restrict the NFL's authority and power over player discipline going forward, where just a few months ago, the NFL likely felt that was an impossible outcome.

Now, the NFL and the NFLPA are both in a fight to the end because there's a lot more at stake than just this one suspension. Not only could the NFL lose their power over the players, they could also lose the most important leverage they have going into the next CBA negotiations.

The NFL still has time to let this go before they risk losing that leverage completely, but even if they do drop the case, all future suspensions will already have a cloud of doubt over them and the NFLPA is likely to take more and more of them to the courts than they would have prior to Elliott's case. I think the NFLPA does not want the NFL to drop it at this point because they believe, and rightly so, that the NFL screwed up big time with this case and this is probably the NFLPA's best chance to undermine or severely restrict the NFL's authority on player discipline and quite possibly force the NFL to relinquish control of it to a real third party.
 

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I believe the CBA has a clause that says something like all arbitration procedures must be completed before a court filing can be made or something like that. The NFL prefers to file in New York courts where they typically get favorable rulings, but the NFLPA jumped ahead to file in Texas before the procedures were completed and that is what the NFL is complaining about. That said, it is very suspicious that the appeal arbitrator, Harold Henderson, purposely waited until after the court announced their ruling just so they could claim it was done premature.

It has basically been gamesmanship on both sides throughout this whole process. The NFL showed their tactics against the NFLPA during last year's Brady court battle, so the NFLPA learned from that to make better strategical decisions this time and the NFL has been playing catch-up ever since. The main reason the NFL didn't try to change their strategy is because they won last time and they got what they assumed was an iron clad precedent when the courts ruled against Brady and the NFLPA last year by saying the CBA gave the NFL absolute power and control over player discipline.

However, in this case, the NFLPA didn't argue the NFL overstepped their authority. Instead, they are arguing the NFL conspired to manipulate the process by excluding evidence that went against the NFL's claims and also keeping information from the defense and the NFLPA as well. In other words, the NFL learned they may have just undermined their own iron clad ruling from last year not just in this case but also going forward as this could easily negate or restrict the NFL's authority and power over player discipline going forward, where just a few months ago, the NFL likely felt that was an impossible outcome.

Now, the NFL and the NFLPA are both in a fight to the end because there's a lot more at stake than just this one suspension. Not only could the NFL lose their power over the players, they could also lose the most important leverage they have going into the next CBA negotiations.

The NFL still has time to let this go before they risk losing that leverage completely, but even if they do drop the case, all future suspensions will already have a cloud of doubt over them and the NFLPA is likely to take more and more of them to the courts than they would have prior to Elliott's case. I think the NFLPA does not want the NFL to drop it at this point because they believe, and rightly so, that the NFL screwed up big time with this case and this is probably the NFLPA's best chance to undermine or severely restrict the NFL's authority on player discipline and quite possibly force the NFL to relinquish control of it to a real third party.

If Goodell really had a brain; or allowed common sense to over ride his arrogance, he would do this:

"After careful examination of this particular situation, I have come to the conclusion that due to flaws in the procedures and bad judgement, this suspension must be reversed. I am now looking to bring in an independent review team to vet the entire disciplinary process. As regards the independent arbiter, I invite the NFLPA to participate in the selection of all future arbiters in order to ensure fairness."
 

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If Goodell really had a brain; or allowed common sense to over ride his arrogance, he would do this:

"After careful examination of this particular situation, I have come to the conclusion that due to flaws in the procedures and bad judgement, this suspension must be reversed. I am now looking to bring in an independent review team to vet the entire disciplinary process. As regards the independent arbiter, I invite the NFLPA to participate in the selection of all future arbiters in order to ensure fairness."
I have said all along that the NFL should run from this as fast as possible. I am not saying they cannot win as I am sure money and influence gives them a chance, but every day this has gone on and continues to go on, the NFL is losing more and more respect and credibility with fans. The NFL has gone after two of the most popular teams in the last 2 years and in doing so, they have damaged their product considerably. Their best strategy right now would be to admit there were procedural errors, fire one or two people, rescind the suspension and move on before any more public damage is done and before any new court ruling damages their control and leverage against the NFLPA going forward.
 

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I like Zeke being on our team, heck he's one of my fantasy players, but for some reason I feel like we'd be pretty good even without him. I think Morris and McFadden and even Smith could possibly excel and the offense would be more creative. Call me crazy, but defenses may have a tougher time defending us using more of our weapons.
Dak would need to step up to compensate for the loss of Elliott. 30-35+ attempts each game. No doubt Elliott benefits from the OL/zone blocking, and a RB by committee would be a different animal for defenses to tackle, but neither Morris nor Mcfadden are exactly starter material. It would certainly be a loss.
 

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Yea another wait till next year except next year never comes.

Right?

Also your sig just blew my mind. Wow (Since 1996 only 3 NFC teams have failed to make at least the championship game. Dallas, Detroit and Washington)
 

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Right?

Also your sig just blew my mind. Wow (Since 1996 only 3 NFC teams have failed to make at least the championship game. Dallas, Detroit and Washington)
One of these days I hope to be able to change it. I've had that sig for about 4 or 5 years. Maybe this year.
 

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i wouldnt be too upset.

much better draft picks to plug the holes. blessing in disguise like 2015. i wasnt high on this season anyway. hopeful, but its a transition year.

Wait, ....what?

How is this a transition year when y'all were 13-3 last season ?
 

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I believe the CBA has a clause that says something like all arbitration procedures must be completed before a court filing can be made or something like that. The NFL prefers to file in New York courts where they typically get favorable rulings, but the NFLPA jumped ahead to file in Texas before the procedures were completed and that is what the NFL is complaining about. That said, it is very suspicious that the appeal arbitrator, Harold Henderson, purposely waited until after the court announced their ruling just so they could claim it was done premature.

It has basically been gamesmanship on both sides throughout this whole process. The NFL showed their tactics against the NFLPA during last year's Brady court battle, so the NFLPA learned from that to make better strategical decisions this time and the NFL has been playing catch-up ever since. The main reason the NFL didn't try to change their strategy is because they won last time and they got what they assumed was an iron clad precedent when the courts ruled against Brady and the NFLPA last year by saying the CBA gave the NFL absolute power and control over player discipline.

However, in this case, the NFLPA didn't argue the NFL overstepped their authority. Instead, they are arguing the NFL conspired to manipulate the process by excluding evidence that went against the NFL's claims and also keeping information from the defense and the NFLPA as well. In other words, the NFL learned they may have just undermined their own iron clad ruling from last year not just in this case but also going forward as this could easily negate or restrict the NFL's authority and power over player discipline going forward, where just a few months ago, the NFL likely felt that was an impossible outcome.

Now, the NFL and the NFLPA are both in a fight to the end because there's a lot more at stake than just this one suspension. Not only could the NFL lose their power over the players, they could also lose the most important leverage they have going into the next CBA negotiations.

The NFL still has time to let this go before they risk losing that leverage completely, but even if they do drop the case, all future suspensions will already have a cloud of doubt over them and the NFLPA is likely to take more and more of them to the courts than they would have prior to Elliott's case. I think the NFLPA does not want the NFL to drop it at this point because they believe, and rightly so, that the NFL screwed up big time with this case and this is probably the NFLPA's best chance to undermine or severely restrict the NFL's authority on player discipline and quite possibly force the NFL to relinquish control of it to a real third party.


Reality--seems like you have followed case...what i have not hear more of is...the two witnesses that spoke on the Meta data which NFL says is their smoking gun...essentially refuted their own testimony..one directly on cross examination and the other by perjuring herself saying she was out of town and could not testify...when in fact a private eye ( hired by NFLPA ) proved she was at home the whole time and has video record of it...will this ever come out if case goes further in process?...because with that and the incoroborated testimoney..seems like slam dunk for unfair process?...i realize this is just my selfish desire for Zeke to play so cowboys might win...when in fact Zeke needs a good spanking some time..just for being plain dumb
 

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Wait, ....what?

How is this a transition year when y'all were 13-3 last season ?
rebuilding the defense and replacing old contracts with rookies.

the cowboys are experimenting at two positions on the OL.
 

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I just want to see good old fashion football with less commercials and better refereeing, no court ruling BS and no stand or kneel during the anthem BS. I watch football to get AWAY from all that nonsense. It's tiresome as hell. No wonder ratings and attendance are down for cripe sakes.
 

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Right?

Also your sig just blew my mind. Wow (Since 1996 only 3 NFC teams have failed to make at least the championship game. Dallas, Detroit and Washington)

This is true. However, only two teams failed to reach the NFC championship game since 1992: Skins and Lions. They would be a different way of looking at it.
 

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I have said all along that the NFL should run from this as fast as possible. I am not saying they cannot win as I am sure money and influence gives them a chance, but every day this has gone on and continues to go on, the NFL is losing more and more respect and credibility with fans. The NFL has gone after two of the most popular teams in the last 2 years and in doing so, they have damaged their product considerably. Their best strategy right now would be to admit there were procedural errors, fire one or two people, rescind the suspension and move on before any more public damage is done and before any new court ruling damages their control and leverage against the NFLPA going forward.

I think people are kidding themselves if they are thinking NFL fans, as a whole, are feeling the same way about the Zeke case as they did the Brady/N.E. case. They are not even remotely similar outside of the court system being involved. The similarity ends there.

As shady as Zeke's accuser may appear to be, Zeke looks anything but clean in this. He doesn't exactly present himself as a guy that most parents would want dating their daughter. Some will view this case as the NFL taking steps in the right direction against domestic violence.

I'm not saying that there aren't questions about this case that may give some people pause. I'm saying it's sort of naive to think that the majority of people are on Zeke's side on this. I don't think that's the case at all. There's a whole world out there beyond the borders of cowboy nation.
 
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This new lawyer for the league is likely the next Supreme Court nominee by this president--per Bobby Belt. He may have significant political influence and this worries me.
 

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Wait, ....what?

How is this a transition year when y'all were 13-3 last season ?
Oh. You haven't noticed. We have many ultra pessimistic entitled fans rivaling anyone in sports and entertainment or anywhere else you may find fans.
 
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