PFT: Fins reportedly negotiating with Jake Long

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FINS NEGOTIATING WITH JAKE LONG

Posted by Mike Florio on April 9, 2008, 4:17 p.m.

Even though the Miami Dolphins reportedly have settled on the player whom they regard as the top guy available in this year’s draft pool, there’s no guarantee that the guy at the top of the board is the player they’ll draft.

Because they hold the first overall pick, the Fins have the ability to negotiate with as many of the players as they want, and can sign one of them even before the draft begins on April 26.

According to the Miami Herald, the Dolphins are negotiating with Michigan tackle Jake Long.

But that hardly means that Jake Long will be the pick. The Fins surely will use their ability to leverage the top players (such as Jake Long, Chris Long, and Glenn Dorsey), using the promise of being the first overall pick as a carrot to get them to sign a contract, and to avoid risking a slide.

The fact that the Dolphins are talking to Long highlights the potential conflict of interest for his agent, Tom Condon.

Condon also represents Boston College quarterback Matt Ryan. If/when the Fins negotiate with Condon about Ryan, they’ll be talking to the same person about whether a deal will be done with either of his two clients.

It’s actually a multi-layered conflict of interest for Condon. If the Fins are willing to make Ryan the No. 1 overall pick with a deal equal to or less than the contract paid a year ago to Raiders quarterback JaMarcus Russell, Ryan needs to ask himself whether, in the end, he’ll make as much or more if he’s not the No. 1 overall pick.

At best, Ryan would otherwise be No. 3. If the Falcons don’t select him with the third overall pick, he could fall to No. 5 (Chiefs), No. 6 (Jets), or No. 8 (Ravens). If he gets past No. 8, he likely will make it into the teens.

So with the money dropping astronomically once a player falls beyond the top three or four picks, Ryan would be wise to get the best deal done at No. 1.

But, for Condon, doing a “bad” deal at No. 1 would open him up to relentless criticism from other agents, who’d use the contract aggressively in recruiting future players whom Condon has targeted.

Last year, there were rumors that the Raiders had made an offer at No. 1 to quarterback Brady Quinn, also a Condon client. In hindsight, Quinn surely would have preferred to take whatever he could have gotten in Oakland — he eventually was picked at No. 22, and he’s now stuck on the bench in Cleveland with a contract that won’t pay him big money unless he plays.

So we expect the Dolphins to negotiate with multiple players over the next two weeks. And we’re hoping that the players realize the stakes, and that they recognize that their agents could be in an awkward situation, if the Fins put a firm offer on the table that is good for the player, but bad for the agent.
 

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I would think the best thing Miami could do would be to look for a deal to trade the overall #1 for multiple picks. In my opinion Miami is in need of a lot of things if they expect to turn that team around any time soon
 

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Doomsday101;2029971 said:
I would think the best thing Miami could do would be to look for a deal to trade the overall #1 for multiple picks. In my opinion Miami is in need of a lot of things if they expect to turn that team around any time soon

It just doesn't seem like anyone wants to deal with those types of guaranteed contracts for guys who haven't played a down in the NFL.

I think the problem this year also is that there is no T Aikman/C Palmer type QB coming out this year. A consensus number 1 overall pick. Ryan is very good, but I don't think coming out of college he's in the same grade that Aikman/Palmer was.
 

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Woods;2029978 said:
It just doesn't seem like anyone wants to deal with those types of guaranteed contracts for guys who haven't played a down in the NFL.

I think the problem this year also is that there is no T Aikman/C Palmer type QB coming out this year. A consensus number 1 overall pick. Ryan is very good, but I don't think coming out of college he's in the same grade that Aikman/Palmer was.

I would agree to have a trade you need someone to trade with. I still think Miami will get some calls on draft day inquiring about trading spot. In the meantime Miami has to plan on making a pick with the overall #1.
 

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Doomsday101;2029971 said:
I would think the best thing Miami could do would be to look for a deal to trade the overall #1 for multiple picks. In my opinion Miami is in need of a lot of things if they expect to turn that team around any time soon

The thing is Dooms is that teams don't want to be in that top spot in this draft. I would hate to be Miami looking to trade down.

Who do you trade with?
 

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Dallas;2030013 said:
The thing is Dooms is that teams don't want to be in that top spot in this draft. I would hate to be Miami looking to trade down.

Who do you trade with?

It depends I don't pretend to know what every team out there is thinking or who they are looking at who they feel may be trying to grab that player they want. Face it the draft never goes as anyone predicts.
 

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sacase;2030009 said:
The NFL needs a rookie pay scale.

Surprised that hasn't come up yet. It should. The league needs to get something done.
 

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This is no surprise, in fact, they are likely negotiating with several guys right now.

I've got no problem with what these rookies earn. If a team doesn't like it then either trade the pick or pass on it.
 

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abersonc;2030043 said:
This is no surprise, in fact, they are likely negotiating with several guys right now.

I've got no problem with what these rookies earn. If a team doesn't like it then either trade the pick or pass on it.

And what if teams refuse to pay the 30 mill like last year?
 

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Doomsday101;2030044 said:
And what if teams refuse to pay the 30 mill like last year?

Then you screw yourself and get a holdout and still end up paying the money down the line.
 

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abersonc;2030064 said:
Then you screw yourself and get a holdout and still end up paying the money down the line.

But the player should not sign anything for less than the 30 mill? He should hold out and screw himself? OK
 

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Everyone in the Top 5 is announcing with a bright neon billboard that they're looking to trade down. No one wants a Top 5 pick, and they're not touching the #1 pick with a 10 foot pole. Maybe if you had a Peyton or Aikman type of franchise QB sitting there you could find a taker, but if there was Miami would take him.
 

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I wonder if a rookie pay scale ever came up at the owners meetings?

No team wants to pay $30+ million in guarantees to an unproven player.

Absolutely insane.
 

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ajk23az;2030075 said:
I wonder if a rookie pay scale ever came up at the owners meetings?

No team wants to pay $30+ million in guarantees to an unproven player.

Absolutely insane.

I agree. Because Al Davis payed Russell that money 31 other teams now must pay the same or more?
 

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Doomsday101;2030079 said:
I agree. Because Al Davis payed Russell that money 31 other teams now must pay the same or more?

Good luck convincing this years #1 pick he isn't worth the same as last year's #1 pick. Not a fight I would want to partake in, personally.
 

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Vintage;2030081 said:
Good luck convincing this years #1 pick he isn't worth the same as last year's #1 pick. Not a fight I would want to partake in, personally.

I thought negotiation is a 2 way street? Because I want something does not mean I'll get it and because Al Davis over spent on a rookie all teams now must do the same? Does not seem like smart business to me. Face it the player does not have complete leverage in all of this. What do you think the value is for a player who holds out and misses and entire season?
 

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Doomsday101;2030079 said:
I agree. Because Al Davis payed Russell that money 31 other teams now must pay the same or more?

Russell got $32 Million in guarantees.

Mario Williams got $26.5 Million guaranteed.

Alex Smith got $24 million.

Eli Manning got only $3 million in signing bonus...$9 million in incentives. and also received a $5 million "buy-back" bonus on 3/19/2007

The guaranteed money is getting WAY WAY WAY out of hand. What will it be this year? $36-37 million guaranteed?
 

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Doomsday101;2030084 said:
I thought negotiation is a 2 way street? Because I want something does not mean I'll get it and because Al Davis over spent on a rookie all teams now must do the same? Does not seem like smart business to me. Face it the player does not have complete leverage in all of this. What do you think the value is for a player who holds out and misses and entire season?

What value is it to the team not to get a deal done with a #1 overall pick, essentially forfeiting a top prospect?

Players have more leverage in this situation than the teams do.

Its why the money for rookies goes up every year. I think this year will be particularly nasty for the #1 overall pick... but in the end, he'll get more than Russell got because that's how it has worked every year for some time now...
 
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