PFT: Fins reportedly negotiating with Jake Long

[ajk23az]

What value is it to the team not to get a deal done with a #1 overall pick, essentially forfeiting a top prospect?

Players have more leverage in this situation than the teams do.

Its why the money for rookies goes up every year. I think this year will be particularly nasty for the #1 overall pick... but in the end, he'll get more than Russell got because that's how it has worked every year for some time now...

Thats right, if they dont come to a contract agreement, the draftee just goes right back into next years draft if i am not mistaken.

I dont THINK the team that drafted him gets any kind of compensation either.

 

[Doomsday101]

Russell got $32 Million in guarantees.

Mario Williams got $26.5 Million guaranteed.

Alex Smith got $24 million.

Eli Manning got only $3 million in signing bonus...$9 million in incentives. and also received a $5 million "buy-back" bonus on 3/19/2007

The guaranteed money is getting WAY WAY WAY out of hand. What will it be this year? $36-37 million guaranteed?

Only if the owner is dumb enough to pay it. If Miami goes for Long I can tell you right now they are not going to fork over 31 million guaranteed. I expect they will pay him very well but because Davis makes a bad deal I don't see where 31 other teams must do the same.

 

[ajk23az]

Only if the owner is dumb enough to pay it. If Miami goes for Long I can tell you right now they are not going to fork over 31 million guaranteed. I expect they will pay him very well but because Davis makes a bad deal I don't see where 31 other teams must do the same.

The player doesnt have to sign it either & can take his chances in next years draft with another team that needs him/wants him more.

 

[Doomsday101]

What value is it to the team not to get a deal done with a #1 overall pick, essentially forfeiting a top prospect?

Players have more leverage in this situation than the teams do.

Its why the money for rookies goes up every year. I think this year will be particularly nasty for the #1 overall pick... but in the end, he'll get more than Russell got because that's how it has worked every year for some time now...

Both have something to lose. Because Davis makes a bad deal everyone must now pay? BS that is stupid and any owner with some balls would not do that. If the player sits the entire year he could very well be looking at 4th rd the following season when he is reinstated that would be a huge loss of cash for him. I'm not saying they should not be very well compensated but I’m saying others should not be shafted because Al Davis pulls a stupid move. It would be like the stupid leading the stupid over the edge of the cliff.

 

[Doomsday101]

The player doesnt have to sign it either & can take his chances in next years draft with another team that needs him/wants him more.

Yes he can and after not playing at all for an entire season with a new group of young players coming out of college who have been playing. That player would lose money and would not come out ahead.

 

[ajk23az]

I agree others shouldn't be shafted. Except, thats the markets trend. And no one knows where it will stop unless a rookie pay scale is implemented.

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree others shouldn't be shafted. Except, thats the markets trend. And no one knows where it will stop unless a rookie pay scale is implemented.

Because Al Davis did it now it is writen in stone? Sorry I don't think so. As I said I'm not saying these guys should be getting peanuts but I don't think because someone pulls off a bad deal from here on out everyone must pay for it. How does that make sense?

 

[InmanRoshi]

Any team that tried to excessively lowball their draft picks would get a reputation among players and agents as cheap and not to be negotiated with in good faith ... which could come back to haunt them in free agency and resigning players. Any agent that agrees to an excessively low ball contract will never be able to get another client. Any player that agrees that breaks precedent will be shunned by the player's association.

Chris Long may not get $31 million, but even if you get him for "cheap" at $28 million he's still among the top paid players at his position before he ever plays a down.... which is why no one wants to touch that pick with a 10 foot pole. The system is unfair and broken, but it's not the draft picks' fault.

 

[AbeBeta]

But the player should not sign anything for less than the 30 mill? He should hold out and screw himself? OK

Screw himself?

I think a player is far more "screwing himself" if he doesn't hold out for the maximum amount he can get. This is a tough game and a serious injury can mean the guy won't see another contract.

 

[ndanger]

The player doesnt have to sign it either & can take his chances in next years draft with another team that needs him/wants him more.

Yeah and being away from any kind of football for a whole year will make his stock soar like an eagle. Heck using that kind of leverage he should sit out two years.I'm just sayin'.

 

[AbeBeta]

Because Al Davis did it now it is writen in stone? Sorry I don't think so. As I said I'm not saying these guys should be getting peanuts but I don't think because someone pulls off a bad deal from here on out everyone must pay for it. How does that make sense?

Why is Al Davis the villian? In 2006 the Texans gave Mario Williams about 27 mill guaranteed. Alex Smith got 24 mill in 2005. Eli Manning got about 21 mill in 2004.

Those contracts are going up pretty much at the same rate as salaries across the league.

I expect the first guy out this year is going to get 34 mill or so

 

[ajk23az]

Because Al Davis did it now it is writen in stone? Sorry I don't think so. As I said I'm not saying these guys should be getting peanuts but I don't think because someone pulls off a bad deal from here on out everyone must pay for it. How does that make sense?

Its been going up and up and up way before Al did the deal with Jamarcus. It was going up about 3-4 Million per year before Davis did that deal. That year it went up 6 mill. It wont take that big of a jump again but it will be $32-35 mill.

Thats what agents are going after now, GUARANTEED MONEY.

 

[Vintage]

Why is Al Davis the villian? In 2006 the Texans gave Mario Williams about 27 mill guaranteed. Alex Smith got 24 mill in 2005. Eli Manning got about 21 mill in 2004.

Those contracts are going up pretty much at the same rate as salaries across the league.

I expect the first guy out this year is going to get 34 mill or so

But....but......but.......AL DAVIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Teams with the number 1 pick always do that...

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Screw himself?

I think a player is far more "screwing himself" if he doesn't hold out for the maximum amount he can get. This is a tough game and a serious injury can mean the guy won't see another contract.

Yeah, this is the main difference I see. Everyone keeps saying football needs a rookie pay scale, but football is different than basketball. There is such a high risk for a career ending injury in football, along with contracts not being guaranteed, that you almost have to get as much as you can early as a football player.

If you are going to make a rookie pay scale, you are also going to have to guarantee all contracts like basketball. Puts you between a rock and a hard place. Do you want a guaranteed contract on a guy that can't play anymore at all?? Although it happens in both sports, I don't think we are seeing the depth of the situation when we just make a statement that there should be a rookie scale like the NBA.

The NBA has its problems with contracts also, from the players and owners side. If you have a rookie scale for the owners and franchises, you need guaranteed contracts for the players. When you give those guaranteed contracts, you can end up with a Jamal Mashburn, whose career was over, but whose contract was traded around cause they still had to pay him and the contract had value cause it was expiring. This doesn't happen in the NFL.

Sometimes the grass is greener on the other side, unless you know the issues associated with the other side thoroughly.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I remember the days where it paid to be the worst team in the league, or among the worst, because of the draft

not anymore, noone wants those top 5-6 picks

 

[Chocolate Lab]

A rookie pay scale won't require guaranteed contracts at all. Not sure where that idea comes from.

Whatever happens at the next CBA, rookie salaries are something that will get fixed, because it's in the interest of both the owners and the players to fix it. Neither side benefits when a college kid gets too big a piece of the pie.

 

[dmq]

These arguments have one fatal flaw. Jerry will be selecting McFadden with the first pick.:shoot6:

 

[Deep_Freeze]

A rookie pay scale won't require guaranteed contracts at all. Not sure where that idea comes from.

Whatever happens at the next CBA, rookie salaries are something that will get fixed, because it's in the interest of both the owners and the players to fix it. Neither side benefits when a college kid gets too big a piece of the pie.

Hmmm, so tell me why rookie players would want to get paid less, with less guarantees....how does that benefit them??

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Hmmm, so tell me why rookie players would want to get paid less, with less guarantees....how does that benefit them??

They don't want to, but they won't have a choice. They won't be in the league yet.