PFT: Goodell Unhappy with Pacman's Return to Vegas

[BHendri5]

This is very old news that has been reprinted now, as if it just happened recently. Adam Jones is not and has not done anything stupid lately, so instead of printing the good(positive)things that Jones has done recently/lately, or that he has done nothing at all, (keeping his nose clean) this idiot media guy reprints something from the past as if it happened recently.

Yes, Adam Jones was in Vegas, and yes Goodell was not happy about it, because all this happened after Jones was suspeneded but before the light came on and before the Cowboys started the trade talks with the titans, months before the Boys started inquiring about him.

The media has nothing to print negative about Jones, well nothing new, so this idiot decides to generate interest in his writings by priniting this old stuff as if it was new.

 

[Hostile]

Like I said, Vegas is FULL of current athletes year around. I just don't see why Pacman was supposed to think it was wrong to ever go back to that city and gamble. Especially when gambling has become a pretty established pastime amongst athletes in this era. The actions that he committed to get suspended, and him participating in legal gambling just do not relate.

Goodell has used Pacman to prove a point for long enough...

It would still raise a red flag. That doesn't mean he'll suffer any repercussions, but I don't understand the surprise at the NFL being concerned and wanting to get the full skinny.

 

[dcfanatic]

It would still raise a red flag. That doesn't mean he'll suffer any repercussions, but I don't understand the surprise at the NFL being concerned and wanting to get the full skinny.

Just like Pacman doesn't get it, some of these fans don't get it.

The NFL is operated by a bunch of very rich men who don't want their product being represented poorly in the public eye.

Gambling is a negative. Especially for a guy going back to that same city to do so where he was 'involved' in some form or fashion with a man being shot and paralyzed.

I know it's also likely that Pacman was playing cards or was at a table playing dice, but him getting a 'marker' could mean anything. It's just him signing a piece of paper and then placing a bet.

Charles Barkley signed markers and used them to bet on football.

The NFL may have already done all the investigating on this subject already. I hope they did because then the latest incident won't affect his eligibility because to them it's old news.

We are all waiting to see.

 

[Hostile]

Just like Pacman doesn't get it, some of these fans don't get it.

The NFL is operated by a bunch of very rich men who don't want their product being represented poorly in the public eye.

Gambling is a negative. Especially for a guy going back to that same city to do so where he was 'involved' in some form or fashion with a man being shot and paralyzed.

I know it's also likely that Pacman was playing cards or was at a table playing dice, but him getting a 'marker' could mean anything. It's just him signing a piece of paper and then placing a bet.

Charles Barkley signed markers and used them to bet on football.

The NFL may have already done all the investigating on this subject already. I hope they did because then the latest incident won't affect his eligibility because to them it's old news.

We are all waiting to see.

I don't understand why that is so hard to grasp. They are way too focused on "Spygate." That's the sleight of hand trick.

 

[cowboyjoe]

I understand where you are coming from, but can you think about this Hostile?

1st. The commissioner suspends Tank Johnson, eventually he lets him participate in Dallas, but way late, and then the Commissioner has a chance to let Tank Johnson (even ESPN staff and NFL Live crew say he should lift the sentence one game), but the Commissioner goes the full weight of the suspension. And we all know how Tank Johnson turned out.

2nd, He suspends Thurman, odell a guy from Bengals 2 full years.

3rd. He suspends Wade Wison 5 games, fines him 33% of his pay check that year, Tell Wade Wilson that coaches are to be held accountable more than players, and when they break the rules, more discipline.

4. He suspends Pacman at least the miminum of one year, it has been over a year now. Not sure how much longer, but over a year.

5. Not sure I am spelling his name right, but on NFL Live, Mark Schlereth an ex All Pro offensive linemen says, it seems like Goodell suspends players heavy, but goes light on someone like Belichick and the Patriots. To back up about light sentense on Patriots, we or maybe you read where Goodell says he wants players to realize what they did wrong, admit it, and go from there. Well, Belichick the cheater as we now know, says, thats not the way i interpreted the rules. Yet, another step further out of Goodells own mouth, coaches are to be held more accountable, and if there is anything further than defensive signal stealing, I will view it and determine more action, something like that goodell said.
As we now know, offensive coordinator signals were stolen, thats more than defensive signals, and now with a former player Tucker saying that Belichick had injured players praticing, which is illegal. Another infraction, but has Goodell done anything.
Another former NFL player, an ex quarterback for the Saints on NFL Live with Schlereth, said, the commissioner sent a memo out to all NFL players, telling them how they would be held accountable, but inside that document about players, it says, coaches are to be held more accountable than players.
Which we know goodell suspended Wade Wilson and fine him 33% of his paycheck, but what did he do to Belichick the cheater, nothing. Again Mark on NFL LIve said he had a problem with that, and so did Joey Porter. Has anything else been done to Patriots, no. And why were the tapes and notes destroyed before goodell even looked at them at NFL headquarters?

So, Hostile, if you look at it, seems like a double standard that Goodell has for the players and other teams, but light for the Patriots.

To me, Pacman is trying to do right now, I think he got it about 5-6 months ago. Granted he should have got it about a year ago when he was supsended. Yet, Jerry Jones is getting pacman help, place to live in Dallas, where to eat, Calvin HIill to help him, Tank Johnson as a role model, Deion Sanders as help guidance, Michael Irvin, and pacman has even met Cowboy players at functions.

Now this to me, just like on NFL LIve and espn crew, they said that the commissioner should let Pacman at least attend OTAs, but did the commissioner do that? No!

So, to me seems like if a story is written up where the commissioner has come down on NFL players hard, like he has, not relented on anything, get that to ESPN, NFL Live, so the public can view all of the facts. Then, seems like the real bad person to be revealed now is the commissioner and his double standards. When, someone says coaches are to be held more accountable, that if more signal stealing and injured reserve players on practice field isnt warrant for more action, seems like to me a double standard. And the commissioner should be called on it through the public's eye.

 

[Hostile]

So, Hostile, if you look at it, seems like a double standard that Goodell has for the players and other teams, but light for the Patriots.

I know the whole litany of the suspensions handed down by Goodell. I'm not naive, stupid or in any way uninformed. I agree that Goodell's suspension of Wade Wilson was not equitable with Belicheck's.

Bellyaching about it isn't going to change anything and I'm simply not going to do it. If you want an ulcer you go right ahead and tilt at windmills.

None of that crusade has anything to do with the mess Pacman got himself into. Goodell didn't stick a gun to his head and make Pacman do a bunch of stupid things to nearly ruin his career. No one did.

Let me ask you this Joe. Let's say you were on probation and breaking probation could send you to jail. Would you go to a bar? To a strip club? Gambling? If you would then you either trust the judge more than I would or you are naive.

I go to Vegas now and then. I'm not under investigation for anything. If I was I wouldn't go gambling. It's really just that simple.

 

[dcfanatic]

I understand where you are coming from, but can you think about this Hostile?

1st. The commissioner suspends Tank Johnson, eventually he lets him participate in Dallas, but way late, and then the Commissioner has a chance to let Tank Johnson (even ESPN staff and NFL Live crew say he should lift the sentence one game), but the Commissioner goes the full weight of the suspension. And we all know how Tank Johnson turned out.

2nd, He suspends Thurman, odell a guy from Bengals 2 full years.

3rd. He suspends Wade Wison 5 games, fines him 33% of his pay check that year, Tell Wade Wilson that coaches are to be held accountable more than players, and when they break the rules, more discipline.

4. He suspends Pacman at least the miminum of one year, it has been over a year now. Not sure how much longer, but over a year.

5. Not sure I am spelling his name right, but on NFL Live, Mark Schlereth an ex All Pro offensive linemen says, it seems like Goodell suspends players heavy, but goes light on someone like Belichick and the Patriots. To back up about light sentense on Patriots, we or maybe you read where Goodell says he wants players to realize what they did wrong, admit it, and go from there. Well, Belichick the cheater as we now know, says, thats not the way i interpreted the rules. Yet, another step further out of Goodells own mouth, coaches are to be held more accountable, and if there is anything further than defensive signal stealing, I will view it and determine more action, something like that goodell said.
As we now know, offensive coordinator signals were stolen, thats more than defensive signals, and now with a former player Tucker saying that Belichick had injured players praticing, which is illegal. Another infraction, but has Goodell done anything.
Another former NFL player, an ex quarterback for the Saints on NFL Live with Schlereth, said, the commissioner sent a memo out to all NFL players, telling them how they would be held accountable, but inside that document about players, it says, coaches are to be held more accountable than players.
Which we know goodell suspended Wade Wilson and fine him 33% of his paycheck, but what did he do to Belichick the cheater, nothing. Again Mark on NFL LIve said he had a problem with that, and so did Joey Porter. Has anything else been done to Patriots, no. And why were the tapes and notes destroyed before goodell even looked at them at NFL headquarters?

So, Hostile, if you look at it, seems like a double standard that Goodell has for the players and other teams, but light for the Patriots.

To me, Pacman is trying to do right now, I think he got it about 5-6 months ago. Granted he should have got it about a year ago when he was supsended. Yet, Jerry Jones is getting pacman help, place to live in Dallas, where to eat, Calvin HIill to help him, Tank Johnson as a role model, Deion Sanders as help guidance, Michael Irvin, and pacman has even met Cowboy players at functions.

Now this to me, just like on NFL LIve and espn crew, they said that the commissioner should let Pacman at least attend OTAs, but did the commissioner do that? No!

So, to me seems like if a story is written up where the commissioner has come down on NFL players hard, like he has, not relented on anything, get that to ESPN, NFL Live, so the public can view all of the facts. Then, seems like the real bad person to be revealed now is the commissioner and his double standards. When, someone says coaches are to be held more accountable, that if more signal stealing and injured reserve players on practice field isnt warrant for more action, seems like to me a double standard. And the commissioner should be called on it through the public's eye.

You are not getting it bro.

ILLEGAL. Those are all illegal activities, even Wade Wilson's actions were.

Those guys were not dealing just with the powers that be 'within' the NFL.

They were all dealing with law enforcement agencies.

Now I think Wilson got shafted and it was more to show that coaches are not above the players IMO when it comes to 'performance enhancing drug type offenses', than it was anything against the Cowboys.

Spygate is an in-house issue. No one is getting in legal trouble for Spygate.

 

[burmafrd]

Those that hate Goodell are just like those that hate BP. Pretty similiar bunch.

And all this from something the Daily Turd threw on the wall. That in itself is pretty pathetic.

 

[Hailmary]

Pacman should move some close family members to Vegas so he has an alibi in place.

Goodell: Mr. Jones, I thought you said that you'd stay away from Vegas for a while.

Jones: I was just visiting family commish. They're part of my rehabilitation.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Those that hate Goodell are just like those that hate BP. Pretty similiar bunch.

And all this from something the Daily Turd threw on the wall. That in itself is pretty pathetic.

burm, you and I don't disagree on much but this is one spot where we do. I thought the tightening of the rules would be good for football but that has to be done evenhandedly. Goodell's two faced stance on Spygate vs. Wade Wilson along with his arrogant "I'll decide what I decide when I decide to decide it." routine is wearing thin. I'm all for stiff penalties for breaking the rules but he also needs to have guidelines that are fair to everyone.

 

[cowboyjoe]

First, I dont hate Bill Parcells, the person I hate is belichick the cheater, maybe hate is too strong a word, i dont like him. Never did!

I am not trying to bellyache about it, nor was I trying to suggest you didnt know your stuff Hostile, you do know football. I always enjoy reading your material.

What I am trying to say, is, I agree pacman did wrong. And if i was on suspension I wouldn't attend bars, or whatever.. I am not that stupid or naive. Now, granted, most 24 year olds, think that, we all were that age once, and thought we were invincible.

Well, like pacman found out now, he isnt invincible. Yet, like Jacque Taylor found out the other day, with a news article on pacman, JJT said he thinks pacman finally gets it. I do too. Now I do think its way past time, when he should have gotten it, pacman should have gotten it the day he was suspended, and sure not go to a strip club the night before he visits the commissioner.

Now that was plain dumb and stupid, when pacman went to a gentlemans club the night before he saw the commissioner. What bothered me about the pacman deal, and I am trying to be honest here, when pacman said, after his new contract, 4 years or so later, he might peek into a gentlemans club, when michael irvin interviewed him. Again, that was whenever he interviewed with Michael Irvin.

Irvin has tried to get him to see that is the wrong attitude. I think now between Calvin Hill, Deion Sanders, a preacher, etc, Pacman finally gets it. I think to me, to be honestly saying it, Pacman got it about 5 months ago. Not before then though.

I know that ESPN writes alot of stories. And what I heard or thought I heard Mark Schlereth say and a ex QB say, that it seems like the commissioner comes down hard on players moreso than coaches, namely the Patriots and Belichick the cheater.

Granted, Wade Wilson got shafted too. Thats what gripes me about the whole deal, way commissioner treats players that seeem to learn their lesson, but he holds the full weight of his suspension, no softness anywhere, except when it comes to the Patriots.

And I would go as far as to say, that if the story hadnt been broken from inside NFL headquarters, that belichick and the patriots would have gotten a lighter slap on the wrist than what the commissioner gave them. Remember now, the tapes and notes were destroyed on the way from patriots headquarters, best i remember reading that. Why, didnt the commissioner view the tapes? Why destroy them?

Just seems like to me, if a person that had all of the records of suspension that the commissioner has given out to nfl players since he came into office, that maybe that would show really how tough and hard goodell is towards players. That within that story frame, you get all of that information of suspensions, and if it is what i think it is, then that shows goodell with an iron fist towards players, with no mercy whatsoever.

Thats what I am trying to say. Again, I didnt mean to put you off the wrong way or anything like that Hostile. And I apologize if I seemed to do that. I just thought someone with good writing skills, and collection of all suspensions goodell has done, might show something that isnt really being realized, maybe to a point, that the commissioner has a bad attitude towards players that get into trouble, and he is saying to himself, i will break you from ever doing that or embarrasing me, or lying to me. Sometimes, when someone is in power, they let it go to their head, and they abuse that power. Seems like to me, goodell has done that.

 

[Hostile]

What I am trying to say, is, I agree pacman did wrong. And if i was on suspension I wouldn't attend bars, or whatever.. I am not that stupid or naive. Now, granted, most 24 year olds, think that, we all were that age once, and thought we were invincible.

Thats what I am trying to say. Again, I didnt mean to put you off the wrong way or anything like that Hostile. And I apologize if I seemed to do that.

I'm not put off. No apology necessary at all.

I spent my entire Senior year of High School on Probation for something I was not guilty of. Guilty or not I spent that year walking on eggshells. I didn't have millions of dollars on the line. All I had on the line was my Driver's License for a year.

If a High School Senior can get it so can a 24 year old. You're doing the guy no favors by making excuses for him. That's the path to nowhere to have no self accountability. Pacman said it himself, "period point blank" he's the one to blame for the place he is in. That is 100% right and has nothing whatsoever to do with Goodell. Let's not forget in the middle of all this remembering that it was the NFL players who wanted harsher penalties for the misbehavior.

 

[cowboyjoe]

Pacman said it himself, "period point blank" he's the one to blame for the place he is in. That is 100% right and has nothing whatsoever to do with Goodell. Let's not forget in the middle of all this remembering that it was the NFL players who wanted harsher penalties for the misbehavior.
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Cool Hostile, I too was in trouble for something I did when I was in high school. Wasnt my fault, but oh well. Life goes on. I agree, when pacman said, he is at fault, no one but himself. Thats what I mean when i said pacman gets it now. Kinda late, but i think he truly gets it.

Didnt know about the players wanting harsher punishment, must have missed that somewhere. I figured you knew all of the whole details on all of the suspensions by goodell. I can only remember 7 offhand.

Just thought would be a good story for someone with good writing skills to cover the whole suspensions that Goodell has done since he came into office, and see if he gave anyone a light sentence. Off hand I cant think of anyone that he has lightly suspended, without throwing the book at them.

To me, sometimes, when someone shows light on you, a different way than you thought of yourself, then you would tend to look at it, and learn from it, to change.

Again, my writing skills arent too super, having spasmodic dysphonia, affects my thoughts, hands, legs, and throat, making it difficult to talk sometimes.But, I am slowly getting better. But, hey, I still like reading yoiur material Hostile, and your podcasts. Even have told some of my friends about your site Hostile, they love your podcasts, and when you do the chat thing with the other cowboys fans.

Keep up the good work, joe

 

[Hostile]

Cool Hostile, I too was in trouble for something I did when I was in high school. Wasnt my fault, but oh well. Life goes on. I agree, when pacman said, he is at fault, no one but himself. Thats what I mean when i said pacman gets it now. Kinda late, but i think he truly gets it.

We can only hope. Personally, I don't plan to hold my breath that he has.

 

[Doomsday]

It is one thing to crack down on off field issues it is another to try and dictate where people spend their free time.

 

[burmafrd]

Wrong dooms. When you are in the public like all NFL players are and you sign a contract to do nothing to bring the NFL into disrepute, you really have no off duty hours. Because when you screw up it hits the papers and the TV, and that is that. So it does not matter where or when it happens.

 

[dcfanatic]

It is one thing to crack down on off field issues it is another to try and dictate where people spend their free time.

No one can control where Pacman spends his time but Pacman Jones.

Not Roger Goodell, not the NFL, not even his new boss Jerry Jones.

He lives in the land of the free.

He can get up tomorrow morning and stop at 12 scrip clubs on his way from Dallas to Vegas for some gambling if he so chooses.

But if he makes that choice then he won't be having any meeting with Roger Goodell to find out when he's reinstated, he won't be playing NFL football any more and Jerry Jones will not be inviting him back to Valley Ranch any time soon.

Playing in the NFL isn't a birth right given to Pacman Jones because he's a great athlete.

It's a privilege that has been offered to him because he's a great athlete, nothing more and nothing less. He can walk away any time he wants to if he doesn't like the NFL guidelines.

 

[VACowboy]

Pacman is plain stupid for being near any locale known for any of the stuff he's being policed for by the NFL, much less visiting the vice capitol of the world. The league shouldn't be legislating players' vacations, but if Pacman Jones wants to play football again he needs to do all he can to make sure it happens. That includes staying away from places that the make the commish think twice.

 

[Doomsday101]

What Goodell wants to see and what many others want to see is a change in behavior if Pacman is still hanging out in Vegas it does not bode well in his attempt to change his ways. Right now given the problems Pacman has had staying clear of certain things, places and people is a good idea. Does he have a right sure but the commissioner has a right as the head of the NFL to either re-instate or not.

 

[Redball Express]

He was on NFL suspension in 2007 for silly actions in 2006 and prior. It makes it look like he just doesn't get it. If you are on suspension and wanting to put you best foot forward, gambling debts coming to the surface during said suspension are not exactly best foot forward. In fact, you'd have to say it's a stubbed toe at best.

If the Commish finds it relevant to inquire about I don't see why we're looking for outs for Jones. He paid the debt, it was markers meaning it was gaming tables, not sports. It will probably die, but it does call into question how seriously he got it that his off the field actions were why he wasn't playing the game.

I understand..I was trying to help a poster get the chronology right about when it happened.

And yes, I agree that he was in Las Vegas while he was serving suspensions related to '06.

I'm just not clear how this matters. Unless The agreement that Pacman was under with the NFL prohibited stuff like this..I just don't see how it's relevent.

For all we know, by that point, Pacman maybe needed money to start paying bills because he wasn't receiving anything from the team due to the suspension. So he decided to try to double up some money he had..or didn't have as the case maybe.

The fact that he couldn't repay it immediately and it went to being handled by the state attorney's office is the issue and a warrant was being issued is the problem.

But it was not done as I understood it, the debt got paid.

Again, most of these issues seem to be not related to his past behavior and are a fallout possibly of the impact from the present suspension.

This all just gets weirder and weirder with how the Commish has just been given such wide-ranging powers by the owners.

We'll see.

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