PFT: Gregory was not lined up in the neutral zone

[Rayman70]

Did you want to re-write that statement?

an edit...he's over the 50 but NOT the blue line/neutral zone. STILL NOT A PENALTY.Just isn't.

 

[guag]

We got away with no more than the Saints did. Hence, why it's perfectly fine to complain, for both teams, to demand better officiating.

You can't miss obvious calls like a helmet to helmet on Kamara or a facemask on Dak or this offsides.

Blasphemy, only the losing team is allowed to complain, because the fix is in and all that.

 

[glimmerman]

Hmmm. People must not have seen the photo and are just sticking to their original points. Let me post it again.

He is making rookie mistakes this year. Roughing the punter and that offsides could have cost us the game. Did both mistakes result in points?

 

[MarcusRock]

an edit...he's over the 50 but NOT the blue line/neutral zone. STILL NOT A PENALTY.Just isn't.

Come on man. Look at the blue line again. How many postings does this take?

 

[Rayman70]

We can agree on this guys, THE REFS STUNK UP THE JOINT LAST NIGHT FOR BOTH TEAMS. They need to go

 

[dwreck27]

The officiating was bad for both teams.

Beastly should not have had that first down.

Troy and Buck was talking about J Smith with the helmet to helmet but failed to mention he did the same thing earlier in the game as well.

Beasley was a bad spot but not being able to overturn that because you burned all your challenges in the first half is a judgement call by Sean Peyton

The Jaylon smith hit was the side of his helmet and was not leading with the CROWN of his helmet... Big difference e

 

[gimmesix]

If this blue line is accurate, is he in the neutral zone? Look at the ball in relation to the line.

The helmet is the question. However, I can't eyeball whether it's across the line. It's close, which is why the flag should not have been thrown. It's kind of like those offsides penalties that used to be called against Ware where he would get off the ball so quickly that the official just guessed that he's offsides. We need Gene Steratore to come measure it with an index card.

 

[Vandyr]

If this blue line is accurate, is he in the neutral zone? Look at the ball in relation to the line.

I'll say it again, that's an illegal formation against the Saints.

 

[Rayman70]

Come on man. Look at the blue line again. How many postings does this take?

lOOK where the ball is now..as opposed to his helmet and tell me that's a routine flag.

 

[Sydla]

Where the ball is before it is snapped is where the neutral zone is. That is one reason a neutral zone infraction should be an easy call. The official is looking down the line where the ball is and should be able to tell if any part of a defender is across it.

That's why I don't completely dismiss that this was an accurate (albeit ticky-tack) call. If the angle we're seeing is skewed any, it can make the player not appear to be across the ball. However, the 50-yard line does give us an accurate measure to use because you can tell that the ball isn't at the 50 and Gregory's hand is. The only questionable part for me is his helmet. Is there an angle that shows it across the ball?

Is that true?

Or is the neutral zone the area where the ball is placed and if the center moves the ball back, like many centers do, the neutral zone stays where it was at ball placement by the official?

 

[dwreck27]

Come on man. Look at the blue line again. How many postings does this take?

Are you 12?

The blue line is not an official marking of the line bruh

Where is the ball? And usually you have to be dead past it for that call to happen

 

[guag]

If the spot was at the 50, yes he was. If you look at the photo, he's the ONLY Cowboy over the 50, and by good margin. The blue line for the line of scrimmage cannot overlay the white line marker because it needs a green background so that too tells me the LOS was probably the 50.

I hate to admit it, but you're right. His head is over the neutral zone, though I initially thought that it only counts if the hand is over the line.

Now was it ticky tacky? Probably. Was it lame that the flag seemingly came in when the play ended? Yeah. But I think it's still valid.

 

[Sydla]

I'll say it again, that's an illegal formation against the Saints.

Exactly. If we are going to spin this down to pixels and where his helmet is at, the OT is technically lined up illegally as well.

 

[KingintheNorth]

What typically happens is the sideline ref (who calls offsides) will warn the player and the sideline that he is lining up offsides (unless its super obvious) The 2nd or 3rd time it happens, the ref throws the flag. What we don't know is if that happened here. He was barely offsides but he was technically offsides.

The refs won't have to answer for that call. They will have to answer for the helmet-to-helmet hit by Jaylon and the missed facemask against Dak.

 

[Beaker42]

If the spot was at the 50, yes he was. If you look at the photo, he's the ONLY Cowboy over the 50, and by good margin. The blue line for the line of scrimmage cannot overlay the white line marker because it needs a green background so that too tells me the LOS was probably the 50.

BS that’s borderline at best. That was a call to keep the Saints close. Wasn’t the flag thrown late as hell that play, almost after the ball was stripped?

 

[Rayman70]

a slew of horrid calls last night..we agree on that. Take your pick.

 

[MarcusRock]

I hate to admit it, but you're right. His head is over the neutral zone, though I initially thought that it only counts if the hand is over the line.

At least someone can admit it. You see the D-Nile going on otherwise. Hilarious.

 

[KingintheNorth]

I'll say it again, that's an illegal formation against the Saints.

I don't think it is.. the left tackle's head has to be at the belly of the interior offensive lineman. He is, barely, but he is.

It's very close because the left guard is back from the center. This again is one of those plays the ref will usually warn the sideline before calling.

 

[Beaker42]

THIS IS NOT OBVIOUS OFFSIDES. His helmet must be clearly across the ball for this to be a penalty. IT IS NOT. Look where the ball is and where Gregory is. Refs blew it.

Isn’t LT Bushrod too far off the ball because Randy was blowing by him?

 

[Rayman70]

Facts are, it wasn't egregious. That call wasn't in the spirit of the rule.