PFT: High-level source says NFL believes Vick is guilty

[WoodysGirl]

POSTED 11:30 p.m. EDT; UPDATED 11:59 p.m. EDT, May 30, 2007

HIGH-LEVEL SOURCE SAYS NFL BELIEVES VICK IS GUILTY

A source with direct involvement in league management issues tells us that the NFL believes that Michael Vick had full knowledge of and involvement in the dog-fighting operation discovered last month at his property in Virginia.

Let's repeat that one.

A source with direct involvement in league management issues tells us that the NFL believes that Michael Vick had full knowledge of and involvement in the dog-fighting operation discovered last month at his property in Virginia.

Per the source, NFL Security has been investigating the situation actively, and the information that NFL Security has obtained has resulted in a belief at the upper reaches of the organization that Vick's past denial is untrue.

Another source with knowledge of the situation confirms that, at last week's ownership meetings in Nashville, discussions regarding conversations with NFL Security indicated the league's belief that the evidence points to a conclusion that Vick was actively involved in dogs fighting.

This disclosure explains a lot of things, in our view. It was after last week's ownership meetings that rumors percolated through the league that the Falcons are bracing for a suspension of Vick. It was also after these meetings that reports surfaced of NFL Security's offer of assistance to Surry County, Virginia investigators. And it was after these meetings that ESPN jumped into the fray with a fat-guy cannonball, airing claims from a witness with a shielded face and altered voice who says that Vick is a dog-fighting "heavyweight."

We still don't know whether Vick will ever be convicted. His wealth can purchase the best legal talent in the land, and it's not all that hard to weave reasonable doubt into any set of facts. But the irreparable damage to Vick's football career will be done the moment that charges are filed. We firmly believe that, once indicted, he promptly will be suspended, and the Falcons will eventually cut him.

Since the Raiders have drafted their quarterback of the future, the one team who might be interested in giving him a second chance would have no need for him.

Even if Vick somehow avoids an indictment, his marketability is now shot, and his image is forever tarnished. Plus, his decision to remain silent in the face of day after day of damaging revelations has put his reputation, we believe, beyond the point of no return.

In fact, Vick's best bet at this point might be to cop a plea, testify against others, enter rehab for whatever condition he says contributed to any antisocial behavior to which he admits, and then hope for redemption.

 

[pancakeman]

Since the Raiders have drafted their quarterback of the future, the one team who might be interested in giving him a second chance would have no need for him.

Cue Bengals joke...

 

[burmafrd]

Of course this is the Daily Turd, so one has to be somewhat cautious. BUT it still looks bad for Vick.

 

[YosemiteSam]

:laugh2:

 

[LD Fan]

So does this make my Ron Mexico jersey more or less valuable?

 

[AbeBeta]

Of course this is the Daily Turd, so one has to be somewhat cautious. BUT it still looks bad for Vick.

The turd has been a very good source for this story -- they've made it their raison d’être over the last month or so

 

[dbair1967]

of course he is guilty...they have tons of evidence now on him and this a.m. on local radio they said they believed an indictment is forthcoming.

he's trash...always has been, always will be...I'm sure he'll buy his way out of it, but this guy shouldnt ever be allowed to play football again

David

 

[deadrody]

Wow. I continue to be amazed that people take what the NY Times says on occassion as the gospel truth. But Pro Football Times ? Are you people nuts ?

Talk radio said... Did you actually say that before you typed it out ?

Here's a tip for you - advertising is aimed at the average person, and the average person has no idea about Mike Vick and dogfighting. Generally speaking, if you don't already hold an opinon that Vick "has always been garbage", then you probably aren't even AWARE of this.

As far as any suspension goes, it will not be when (IF) he is indicted. I mean think about it. First of all, the PA is not going to allow an open ended suspension based on an indictment without a challenge, nor should they when one of the possible outcomes is official exoneration. How bad would the NFL look suspending a player indefinitely and then having them found not guilty ? The NFL is not going to take action until the case is adjudicated, and the the outcome of the case will most definitely impact the action the NFL can and will take.

I am just shocked at the myopia some people are suffering from.

 

[burmafrd]

I am shocked by those that somehow keep thinking that it matters all that much what a court of law decides. Since when has that been the TRUTH?
talk radio- hmm, I sense a political shot there. the Media- NO arguement that they are as biased and slanted and with an agenda of their own. BUT when you keep getting things that cannot be denied (Pacmans troubles in all areas for one) or keep getting reinforced (as regards Vick- Ron Mexico anyone); then you have to use common sense and recognize SLEEZE when you see it.

 

[AtlCB]

Wow. I continue to be amazed that people take what the NY Times says on occassion as the gospel truth. But Pro Football Times ? Are you people nuts ?

Talk radio said... Did you actually say that before you typed it out ?

Here's a tip for you - advertising is aimed at the average person, and the average person has no idea about Mike Vick and dogfighting. Generally speaking, if you don't already hold an opinon that Vick "has always been garbage", then you probably aren't even AWARE of this.

As far as any suspension goes, it will not be when (IF) he is indicted. I mean think about it. First of all, the PA is not going to allow an open ended suspension based on an indictment without a challenge, nor should they when one of the possible outcomes is official exoneration. How bad would the NFL look suspending a player indefinitely and then having them found not guilty ? The NFL is not going to take action until the case is adjudicated, and the the outcome of the case will most definitely impact the action the NFL can and will take.

I am just shocked at the myopia some people are suffering from.

Goodell has already suspended two players who have not been convicted of a crime. What makes you believe he will handle Vick's case differently?

 

[Doomsday101]

Evidently the DA department is getting close to making arrest:
PORTSMOUTH, Via. (May 31, 2007) -- Informants have come forward saying Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick was involved in dogfighting, a prosecutor investigating the case said.

Brown and Surry County Commonwealth's Attorney Gerald G. Poindexter told WAVY-TV of Portsmouth, Virginia, there is evidence linking Vick to dogfighting, which is a felony in Virginia.

"We have informants," Poindexter told the station in an interview. "We have people who are volunteering to make those allegations."

 

[YosemiteSam]

Wow. I continue to be amazed that people take what the NY Times says on occassion as the gospel truth. But Pro Football Times ? Are you people nuts ?

Talk radio said... Did you actually say that before you typed it out ?

Here's a tip for you - advertising is aimed at the average person, and the average person has no idea about Mike Vick and dogfighting. Generally speaking, if you don't already hold an opinon that Vick "has always been garbage", then you probably aren't even AWARE of this.

As far as any suspension goes, it will not be when (IF) he is indicted. I mean think about it. First of all, the PA is not going to allow an open ended suspension based on an indictment without a challenge, nor should they when one of the possible outcomes is official exoneration. How bad would the NFL look suspending a player indefinitely and then having them found not guilty ? The NFL is not going to take action until the case is adjudicated, and the the outcome of the case will most definitely impact the action the NFL can and will take.

I am just shocked at the myopia some people are suffering from.

From your other post, everyone already knows you support dog fights.

 

[AbeBeta]

Goodell has already suspended two players who have not been convicted of a crime. What makes you believe he will handle Vick's case differently?

He's just waiting for the investigation to be completed.

It isn't about conviction -- it is about bad press.

 

[dbair1967]

Wow. I continue to be amazed that people take what the NY Times says on occassion as the gospel truth. But Pro Football Times ? Are you people nuts ?

Talk radio said... Did you actually say that before you typed it out ?

Here's a tip for you - advertising is aimed at the average person, and the average person has no idea about Mike Vick and dogfighting. Generally speaking, if you don't already hold an opinon that Vick "has always been garbage", then you probably aren't even AWARE of this.

As far as any suspension goes, it will not be when (IF) he is indicted. I mean think about it. First of all, the PA is not going to allow an open ended suspension based on an indictment without a challenge, nor should they when one of the possible outcomes is official exoneration. How bad would the NFL look suspending a player indefinitely and then having them found not guilty ? The NFL is not going to take action until the case is adjudicated, and the the outcome of the case will most definitely impact the action the NFL can and will take.

I am just shocked at the myopia some people are suffering from.

and I'm shocked at how incredibly naive some people remain

David

 

[burmafrd]

Why do people get hung up on whether someone is convicted or not? Like the court system really does work on guilt or innocence.

 

[AbeBeta]

Why do people get hung up on whether someone is convicted or not?

Because they are too simple minded to understand anything else?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

People keep acting like if someone is not convicted of a crime than they should not be punished by the NFL.

Let me ask people that believe in that logic a question.

If you are late for work over and over and you get suspended or fired because of it.

Would that be fair? I mean you were not convicted of a crime, being late to work is no crime. So does that mean you should not be fired or suspended?

 

[bbgun]

I officially dub this the "Michael Vick message board." I know it's May and many of us are bored, but that can't account for all of it.

 

[Doomsday101]

I officially dub this the "Michael Vick message board." I know it's May and many of us are bored, but that can't account for all of it.

It is getting this attention because he is a very big name in pro football. Add to that people's love for animals and you have many people including those who are not into football who are keeping an eye on this. This is going to kill him as far as endorsments are concerned.

 

[zeromaster]

Mods: we need a Rap Sheet section. It'll easily be the most active in the near future.