PFT: High-level source says NFL believes Vick is guilty

[aikemirv]

Each of us has a separate sense of morality. I, for one, can think of few things that are worse than torturing animals. A person that would do that for whatever gratification, would be more likely to torture a human.

Adultery is contrary to God's Commandments. Dog fighting is not. However, I am fairly certain that God frowns on upon abusing animals for one's own amusement.

Maybe that Vick is going to lose everything he has, as part of God's judgement of him.

Now, I would like to believe that, but the truth is Ringo, I am the evil man and you are the weak. . . . .

I agree with you and am not condoning it, but to say that his reputation and livelihood in football is gone because of it is silly if you ask me. I think that there are many of his fans that would care less if he was involved in dog fighting. People don't care what you do off the football field these days. It has been shown over and over again, just perform on the filed, that is all they ask.

It should not be that way but it flat out is!

 

[AbeBeta]

All I have to say is that if Goodell gives him anywhere close to the suspension that Pacman got it shows a lot of why this country is out of whack. The comparison is not even close. One guy has his livelihood taken from him and Pacman was involved in it and the other was involved in Dog Fighting. It should not be even close, and, by the way, I love my dogs, but to even start to give them value close to a human life is absurd.

And I am sure that PETA would disagree with me.

This isn't about PETA. Dog fighting is a FELONY in Virginia (and most every state in the nation), owning dogs for the purpose of dog fighting is also a felony. Dozens of dogs = dozens of felony counts. Pacman's suspension was based on multiple offenses. Vick may rack up multiple offenses on this one case alone - add to that the water bottle and double eagle situations and he's got as many if not more reasons for a suspension.

 

[Hypnotoad]

OJ was acquited too. Does not say much, does it?

So was Jackson and Blake... It only took both of them 3 years from first court hearing to aquittal. Now I might not be a genius like some people here, but if i do the math...thats 5 posts per day for 3 years....carry the one....thats about 2000 Michael Vick THREADS before the end of this...GOODIE.

Civil cases are also for tort damages between 1 person and another. I'm not sure of the law but can someone file civil charges on behalf of a dog?

 

[L-O-Jete]

All I have to say is that if Goodell gives him anywhere close to the suspension that Pacman got it shows a lot of why this country is out of whack. The comparison is not even close. One guy has his livelihood taken from him and Pacman was involved in it and the other was involved in Dog Fighting. It should not be even close, and, by the way, I love my dogs, but to even start to give them value close to a human life is absurd.

And I am sure that PETA would disagree with me.

The NFL is a product that thrives on merchandising and image, those are the driving factors, if an organization like PETA was up in arms for Pacman's head I'm sure Goodell would swing a much bigger ax there too. And I agree that the country is out of whack, what do you expect when the minimum salary for a player (who basically is a sparring partner for the big guys) in the NFL is about 200k while the salary of the guys in charge of forming childrens minds is 1/4 or less than that...

 

[iceberg]

Everyone's anonymous friend and high level secret source is coming out of the woodwork to make statements. Something about this makes me feel that Vick isn't going to get any prison time and will probably be acquitted IF charges are brought.

hey - i pulled my "anonymous friend" out first!

it's how i know vick is a liar - now why would he lie if he were innocent?

 

[fortdick]

People don't care what you do off the football field these days. It has been shown over and over again, just perform on the filed, that is all they ask.

It should not be that way but it flat out is!

I have to disagree. Ask any Bengals fan if they are proud of their team. Those that buy into the gangsta image will say yes, but most would say no.

I am a fan, and I care about what players do off the field. Their behavior influences others. If you see your sports hero behaving a certain way, you will be more inclined to behave that way yourself. Or your kids might.

It is the gangsta life that has infected the NFL. It is too cool to break the law. It really makes it cool when you get away with it because you have money.

Anyone that would involve themselves in the dog fighting racket would not think twice about committing others crimes. Violence is amusing to them. Does anyone believe that Vick is not capable of having someone whacked if he thinks he can get away with it?

Just look at Vick's brother and you see what the history is there.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I have to disagree. Ask any Bengals fan if they are proud of their team. Those that buy into the gangsta image will say yes, but most would say no.

I am a fan, and I care about what players do off the field. Their behavior influences others. If you see your sports hero behaving a certain way, you will be more inclined to behave that way yourself. Or your kids might.

It is the gangsta life that has infected the NFL. It is too cool to break the law. It really makes it cool when you get away with it because you have money.

Anyone that would involve themselves in the dog fighting racket would not think twice about committing others crimes. Violence is amusing to them. Does anyone believe that Vick is not capable of having someone whacked if he thinks he can get away with it?

Just look at Vick's brother and you see what the history is there.

If he would have said SOME people I would agree with him 100% because there are a large group of people that feel exactly that way.

I bet some of the very same people that are ripping on Vick, PacMan or Henry would not be so die hard in their stance if those players were cowboys. Not all mind you, but some.

Whether it is fair or not the star NFL players do get away with more than most do.

 

[aikemirv]

I have to disagree. Ask any Bengals fan if they are proud of their team. Those that buy into the gangsta image will say yes, but most would say no.

I am a fan, and I care about what players do off the field. Their behavior influences others. If you see your sports hero behaving a certain way, you will be more inclined to behave that way yourself. Or your kids might.

It is the gangsta life that has infected the NFL. It is too cool to break the law. It really makes it cool when you get away with it because you have money.

Anyone that would involve themselves in the dog fighting racket would not think twice about committing others crimes. Violence is amusing to them. Does anyone believe that Vick is not capable of having someone whacked if he thinks he can get away with it?

Just look at Vick's brother and you see what the history is there.

Are they proud of it? NO, of course not but if the team wins they take the good with the bad. Just look at the Cowboys in the 90's. I would say most of us were not proud of it, but are we still Cowboy fans. Yes we are. We choose to dwell on the good like Emmitt and Aikman and try to forget the bad like Irvin's escapades and Eric Williams too. Those are the fans that do care.

I think there are a lot of those out there that do not care at all. I have seen it on this board many times. "I don't care what they do off the field". Have you not seen that around here?

 

[AbeBeta]

The NFL is a product that thrives on merchandising and image, those are the driving factors, if an organization like PETA was up in arms for Pacman's head I'm sure Goodell would swing a much bigger ax there too. And I agree that the country is out of whack, what do you expect when the minimum salary for a player (who basically is a sparring partner for the big guys) in the NFL is about 200k while the salary of the guys in charge of forming childrens minds is 1/4 or less than that...

Folks, you all need to stop with the PETA this and PETA that stuff.

PETA hasn't been deeply involved in the Vick case. PETA wrote Goodell and offered to provide education for players on animal rights issues -- that's it. They certainly haven't been spearheading an anti-Vick effort at all -- in fact, if you check their web page and press releases, you'll see that they are focusing on other issues.

 

[aikemirv]

If he would have said SOME people I would agree with him 100% because there are a large group of people that feel exactly that way.

I bet some of the very same people that are ripping on Vick, PacMan or Henry would not be so die hard in their stance if those players were cowboys. Not all mind you, but some.

Whether it is fair or not the star NFL players do get away with more than most do.

It was a generalization the "some" should have been understood.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

It was a generalization the "some" should have been understood.

I took it that way but wanted to be clear just in case. On this board one word can make a world of difference.:laugh2:

 

[Hypnotoad]

Folks, you all need to stop with the PETA this and PETA that stuff.

PETA hasn't been deeply involved in the Vick case. PETA wrote Goodell and offered to provide education for players on animal rights issues -- that's it. They certainly haven't been spearheading an anti-Vick effort at all -- in fact, if you check their web page and press releases, you'll see that they are focusing on other issues.

Thats true, but they did have spokesmen doing interviews and making assertions that there is a dog fighting secret culture within the NFL. They also made statements like many people in town "saw Vick buying bandages and others saw him shopping." They brought themselves into this.

 

[Doomsday101]

Folks, you all need to stop with the PETA this and PETA that stuff.

PETA hasn't been deeply involved in the Vick case. PETA wrote Goodell and offered to provide education for players on animal rights issues -- that's it. They certainly haven't been spearheading an anti-Vick effort at all -- in fact, if you check their web page and press releases, you'll see that they are focusing on other issues.

PETA Urges Falcon's Owner to Immediately Suspend Vick - Today, PETA sent an urgent letter to Atlanta Falcons CEO Arthur Blank regarding authorities’ raids last night and this morning on quarterback Michael Vick’s property in rural Surry County, Va. PETA is urging Blank to immediately suspend Vick pending the investigation and to kick him off the team if it is found that dogs on Vick’s property were neglected or used for fighting. News sources state that 70 dogs—at least 60 of them pit bulls, the breed most commonly used for fighting—were found on Vick’s property. Paraphernalia commonly associated with dogfighting, including a "rape stand" allegedly used to breed the dogs, was reportedly also found on his property. Some of the animals reportedly bear deep wounds and cuts consistent with fighting.

"For the protection of both humans and other animals, Falcons management must take cruelty to animals seriously," says PETA Director Daphna Nachminovitch. "Mental health professionals and law enforcement agencies agree that perpetrators of violent acts against animals can pose a serious threat not only to other animals but to the community as a whole." (From PETA Media Center - 4/26/07 - For the full story Click here)

 

[Vintage]

PETA Urges Falcon's Owner to Immediately Suspend Vick - Today, PETA sent an urgent letter to Atlanta Falcons CEO Arthur Blank regarding authorities’ raids last night and this morning on quarterback Michael Vick’s property in rural Surry County, Va. PETA is urging Blank to immediately suspend Vick pending the investigation and to kick him off the team if it is found that dogs on Vick’s property were neglected or used for fighting. News sources state that 70 dogs—at least 60 of them pit bulls, the breed most commonly used for fighting—were found on Vick’s property. Paraphernalia commonly associated with dogfighting, including a "rape stand" allegedly used to breed the dogs, was reportedly also found on his property. Some of the animals reportedly bear deep wounds and cuts consistent with fighting.

"For the protection of both humans and other animals, Falcons management must take cruelty to animals seriously," says PETA Director Daphna Nachminovitch. "Mental health professionals and law enforcement agencies agree that perpetrators of violent acts against animals can pose a serious threat not only to other animals but to the community as a whole." (From PETA Media Center - 4/26/07 - For the full story Click here)

PETA makes me laugh.

PETA also makes me hungry.

 

[Doomsday101]

PETA makes me laugh.

PETA also makes me hungry.

I'm no fan of theirs, like most activist groups I will agree with some of their view points and disagree with many others. Another example is the NRA I believe in the right to bear arms but I disagree with them on issues like armor piercing bullets being sold to the public and other issues that I feel they have gone over board with. I think most activist groups end up like this where they get so gung ho that they start crossing the line of common sense.

 

[AbeBeta]

PETA Urges Falcon's Owner to Immediately Suspend Vick - Today, PETA sent an urgent letter to Atlanta Falcons CEO Arthur Blank regarding authorities’ raids last night and this morning on quarterback Michael Vick’s property in rural Surry County, Va. PETA is urging Blank to immediately suspend Vick pending the investigation and to kick him off the team if it is found that dogs on Vick’s property were neglected or used for fighting. News sources state that 70 dogs—at least 60 of them pit bulls, the breed most commonly used for fighting—were found on Vick’s property. Paraphernalia commonly associated with dogfighting, including a "rape stand" allegedly used to breed the dogs, was reportedly also found on his property. Some of the animals reportedly bear deep wounds and cuts consistent with fighting.

"For the protection of both humans and other animals, Falcons management must take cruelty to animals seriously," says PETA Director Daphna Nachminovitch. "Mental health professionals and law enforcement agencies agree that perpetrators of violent acts against animals can pose a serious threat not only to other animals but to the community as a whole." (From PETA Media Center - 4/26/07 - For the full story Click here)

Again -- they aren't spearheading the issue. You don't see them in the press everyday pursuing the issue -- that statement is from OVER a month ago. That's hardly "PETA up in arms" about an issue.

By making this a "PETA issue" it make it far easier for folks to say "oh, them PETAs -- they crazy, they don't want me to eat no hamburger" rather than focusing on the fact that Vick is potentially subject to multiple felony charges.

 

[AbeBeta]

Thats true, but they did have spokesmen doing interviews and making assertions that there is a dog fighting secret culture within the NFL.

Ummm, who exactly else are you going to interview about dog fighting?

 

[AbeBeta]

I'm no fan of theirs, like most activist groups I will agree with some of their view points and disagree with many others. Another example is the NRA I believe in the right to bear arms but I disagree with them on issues like armor piercing bullets being sold to the public and other issues that I feel they have gone over board with. I think most activist groups end up like this where they get so gung ho that they start crossing the line of common sense.

Actually, for activism to be effective, groups have to aim for the extreme -- the reason being that whatever one group does to try to bring about change is ultimately going to be subject to compromise. Whatever your platform, you'll rarely get exactly what you are asking for. Now, if you present platforms more extreme than what you are really after, when you compromise, you end up getting far closer to what you really wanted in the first place.

 

[burmafrd]

PETA makes me hungry for meat.

 

[Chuck 54]

Since the Raiders have drafted their quarterback of the future, the one team who might be interested in giving him a second chance would have no need for him.

QUOTE]

"The one team that might be interested..."
That's got to be one of the all time stupidest comments I've ever read. I'm not a Vick fan or supporter, but even I recognize that if this is his only issue, and if he is cleared and able to play next season, there would be plenty of teams willing to give him another shot.

The only real truth is that he's unlikely to ever receive a recordsetting contract, but there are plenty of teams that would give Vick millions to play QB.