News: PFT: Marriott: NFL interviewed employee, reviewed video in Michael Irvin case

[kskboys]

Been reading through these threads and was wondering how many of the posters have had the privilege of raising daughters. Based on most of these posts, I’m guessing not many.

I'm wondering how many w/ daughters are individualizing this case instead of looking at everything objectively.

 

[MarcusRock]

you might want to work on your reading skills.... NOTHING in that states the NFL escorted Irvin out of the hotel. It clearly says it was the next day. Says she ESCALATED the matter... what the hell does that mean? My reading skils are just fine..... and that is actually part of the problem. Dont you remember Irvin saying he went to bed and was later woke up and told to get his stuff? He was questioning what was going on??? That was that night... NFL investigator didnt get involved until the next day.

I always said when coaching that if I didnt knwo the rulebook better than the umpires my life would have been much easier. Ignorance is bliss,..... as the saying goes.

Reid, you are taking Irvin's account of the story lock, stock, and barrel. That's what HE says. There are 2 competing versions. Marriott says Irvin was at the hotel all day Monday (or had went out and came back - it doesn't say) but does say that after the hotel and the NFL did their investigation, the additional NFL personnel went to Irvin, told him he had to leave and then left with him (escorted him out) at 10pm Monday night.

Marriott claims that after the NFL did their investigation, including watching the video, they had no further communication with Irvin and let the NFL handle everything else including having Irvin moved. So when Irvin went on the radio talking about being asked about the encounter, needing to be moved, etc. we don't even know if that was the hotel security saying that to him OR the NFL saying that to him. Mike made it sound like the hotel but the hotel has the above version of the account.

 

[conner01]

This is what I said before. Marriott's going to tell Irvin that his beef is with the NFL and to go sue them and ask the judge to dismiss this one.

To me the fact they released it to the nfl and not him is gonna be an issue in court. Can’t claim privacy issues once you release it to a party not involved

 

[conner01]

The documents say when Irvin returned to the Renaissance Phoenix Hotel on February 5, he "appeared to be visibly intoxicated," and in conversation with the female staffer, asked a lewd question that's too graphic to detail on TV, but referenced intercourse with a Black man.

Attorneys for Marriott say: "Taken aback by Irvin’s comments, the Victim responded that his comments were inappropriate, and she did not wish to discuss it further…Irvin then attempted to grab the Victim’s hand again and said he was ‘sorry if he brought up bad memories for her’…The Victim pulled her hand away and tried to back away from Irvin as he continued to move toward her."

According to Marriott, "two other Hotel employees noticed that the Victim had a look of concern on her face…Irvin then stated that he would come back to find her sometime that week when she was working."
Marriott goes on to say another employee walked over to Irvin after the victim walked away, and that "After Irvin finished leering at the Victim and turned back to Employee 1, he said aloud ‘she bad,’ ‘she bad…’" followed by a sexual remark.

He then "slapped himself in the face three times, saying ‘keep it together Mike.’"

This is what Marriot is claiming.

If that is a fact then they acted appropriately
If the video doesn’t show that type of interaction then it’s gonna be a different story
Hard to judge till we see what the video shows

 

[CouchCoach]

lol.......wow.
It obviously means she got people up the chain higher than she was invovled, but what did they do?

And again, she "Escalated," things the NEXT DAY. Irvin was removed from the hotel the night of the INCIDENT.

Then why did she call in additional people, if he was already out of the hotel? Why call additional people to the hotel at all?

 

[Reid1boys]

Then why did she call in additional people, if he was already out of the hotel? Why call additional people to the hotel at all?

Because she was looking for guidance on how to handle it. She wanted others to see and hear wat she was being told so they could then make a decision on what to do. She likely doesnt have the authority to take action, but only make recommendations.

Id be real interested in knowing who exactly those people are above her.... probably a bunch of names Ive never heard of.

 

[Reid1boys]

Reid, you are taking Irvin's account of the story lock, stock, and barrel. That's what HE says. There are 2 competing versions. Marriott says Irvin was at the hotel all day Monday (or had went out and came back - it doesn't say) but does say that after the hotel and the NFL did their investigation, the additional NFL personnel went to Irvin, told him he had to leave and then left with him (escorted him out) at 10pm Monday night.

Marriott claims that after the NFL did their investigation, including watching the video, they had no further communication with Irvin and let the NFL handle everything else including having Irvin moved. So when Irvin went on the radio talking about being asked about the encounter, needing to be moved, etc. we don't even know if that was the hotel security saying that to him OR the NFL saying that to him. Mike made it sound like the hotel but the hotel has the above version of the account.

I a, taking whatthe ACTUAL witnesses said happend lock stock and barrel, and what Mike said happened is about the exact same thing the witnesses said.

They said they were a few feet away. We all know how Mike is, he is LOUD... so you telling me Mike said to this lady something about a black man being inside her, then yells out KEEP IT TOGETHER MIKE and slaps himself in the face 3 times and those guys that were standing only a few feet away never heard or saw that???? cmon
IM going to have to go back and watch or listen to Mike on the Fan. He said he was removed from the hotel that night, not the next day. And once again, you are extrapolating that NFL people escorted him out, it never specifies the people that removed him were from the NF:L... but really, none of that matters, except to keep it straight.

 

[Reid1boys]

I'm wondering how many w/ daughters are individualizing this case instead of looking at everything objectively.

lol... you do realize you just wondered aloud if we are looking at it objectively, but then prefaced it with wondering about those of us with daughters. Do you get what you did there????? If I am looking at things objectively (which I am) then having or not having daughters wouldnt matter.

You insinuate we would look at it differently if we had daughters, meaning NOT SUBJECTIVELY.

MY bad... it was the other way around ... you said those with daughters are not being objective. MY bad.

 

[MarcusRock]

To me the fact they released it to the nfl and not him is gonna be an issue in court. Can’t claim privacy issues once you release it to a party not involved

Well, in Post #72 are Marriott's reporting procedures and their procedures do say that they can share with external parties who have a legitimate need to know. Marriott claims the NFL paid for the rooms for their staff and told them to let them know if there was an issue with one of their guests. Does the NFL have a "legitimate need to know" if something went down with one of their guests if they're paying and said to notify them if there was an issue with one of them?

 

[Reid1boys]

Been reading through these threads and was wondering how many of the posters have had the privilege of raising daughters. Based on most of these posts, I’m guessing not many.

wrong... i have 4 daughters, but that fact doesnt change one ting. If it does change things for you, than you certainly cant be objective.

 

[goshann]

I a, taking whatthe ACTUAL witnesses said happend lock stock and barrel, and what Mike said happened is about the exact same thing the witnesses said.

They said they were a few feet away. We all know how Mike is, he is LOUD... so you telling me Mike said to this lady something about a black man being inside her, then yells out KEEP IT TOGETHER MIKE and slaps himself in the face 3 times and those guys that were standing only a few feet away never heard or saw that???? cmon
IM going to have to go back and watch or listen to Mike on the Fan. He said he was removed from the hotel that night, not the next day. And once again, you are extrapolating that NFL people escorted him out, it never specifies the people that removed him were from the NF:L... but really, none of that matters, except to keep it straight.

Yeah but all the words sound like Mike to me. Especially ‘keep it together Mike’ and saying ‘she bad, she bad’

Sounds totally like something he would say

 

[MarcusRock]

I a, taking whatthe ACTUAL witnesses said happend lock stock and barrel, and what Mike said happened is about the exact same thing the witnesses said.

They said they were a few feet away. We all know how Mike is, he is LOUD... so you telling me Mike said to this lady something about a black man being inside her, then yells out KEEP IT TOGETHER MIKE and slaps himself in the face 3 times and those guys that were standing only a few feet away never heard or saw that???? cmon
IM going to have to go back and watch or listen to Mike on the Fan. He said he was removed from the hotel that night, not the next day. And once again, you are extrapolating that NFL people escorted him out, it never specifies the people that removed him were from the NF:L... but really, none of that matters, except to keep it straight.

The witnesses are another thing entirely. We're talking about how Irvin got out of the hotel. Irvin says he was approached by hotel security in the middle of the night (Sunday into Monday) to be moved. Marriott says he was still staying at the hotel all day Monday while their and the NFL's interviews and video reviews happened. Marriott says after the NFL did their thing, they left the NFL to do the dirty work of telling Irvin to leave who also left with him out of their hotel at 10pm Monday night. These are 2 separate versions, both easily verifiable by video of Mike leaving the hotel with his things and with whom he left. You appear to be accepting Irvin's side as fact when there is another version of what happened that doesn't have Mike leaving the hotel until 10pm the next day.

So are you saying that Mike definitely was waked up by hotel security overnight after the incident in the face of what Marriott claims which is completely different?

 

[gtb1943]

The witnesses are another thing entirely. We're talking about how Irvin got out of the hotel. Irvin says he was approached by hotel security in the middle of the night (Sunday into Monday) to be moved. Marriott says he was still staying at the hotel all day Monday while their and the NFL's interviews and video reviews happened. Marriott says after the NFL did their thing, they left the NFL to do the dirty work of telling Irvin to leave who also left with him out of their hotel at 10pm Monday night. These are 2 separate versions, both easily verifiable by video of Mike leaving the hotel with his things and with whom he left. You appear to be accepting Irvin's side as fact when there is another version of what happened that doesn't have Mike leaving the hotel until 10pm the next day.

So are you saying that Mike definitely was waked up by hotel security overnight after the incident in the face of what Marriott claims which is completely different?

clearly you and CC and a few others have clearly decided Irvin is guilty and nothing else matters

 

[sandbridge77]

wrong... i have 4 daughters, but that fact doesnt change one ting. If it does change things for you, than you certainly cant be objective.

Congratulations, you’re a lucky man, still I stand by original thought, the number of posters who have slandered this alleged victim could not have raised daughters.

By the way, save your money 4 weddings and 4 college educations are expensive, been there done that.

 

[MarcusRock]

clearly you and CC and a few others have clearly decided Irvin is guilty and nothing else matters

My mad fanboi again, lol. When merely presenting 2 sides of an issue without judgement gets you lumped into an "against" category, an accuser of bias is actually biased for the side of the one having it presented to him because he gets triggered by the opposing view. Otherwise, why would you have a problem with someone having both sides presented to them when they appear to accept only 1 side as fact? So say hi, pro-Irvin poster. You just clearly revealed on what side you sit while trying to project the same. Lol.

You know, you spend more time sniping from the sidelines at me like a mean girl than actually discussing this case. Mix it up with me if you dare. You won't. We know why. And it's not even like this is an NFL rulebook case on a play that happened where there's usually right and wrong. Most of this is just speculation where how you think, reason, and detect is front and center. Let's see what you got, Irvinite.

 

[Reid1boys]

Congratulations, you’re a lucky man, still I stand by original thought, the number of posters who have slandered this alleged victim could not have raised daughters.

By the way, save your money 4 weddings and 4 college educations are expensive, been there done that.

My oldest is 34, youngest is 21... I already know. College is finally done in 2 months. UCLA wasnt cheap.

 

[conner01]

Well, in Post #72 are Marriott's reporting procedures and their procedures do say that they can share with external parties who have a legitimate need to know. Marriott claims the NFL paid for the rooms for their staff and told them to let them know if there was an issue with one of their guests. Does the NFL have a "legitimate need to know" if something went down with one of their guests if they're paying and said to notify them if there was an issue with one of them?

They may have a legitimate need to know but so would the person you are accusing

 

[Qcard]

No, I will not stop. I consider what he said in that press conference worse than what he might have said to that woman.

Why do you consider what Michael Irvin said at the Press Conference worse than what he ALLEGEDLY said to the Marriot Employee?

 

[Vtwin]

My mad fanboi again, lol. When merely presenting 2 sides of an issue without judgement gets you lumped into an "against" category, an accuser of bias is actually biased for the side of the one having it presented to him because he gets triggered by the opposing view. Otherwise, why would you have a problem with someone having both sides presented to them when they appear to accept only 1 side as fact? So say hi, pro-Irvin poster. You just clearly revealed on what side you sit while trying to project the same. Lol.

You know, you spend more time sniping from the sidelines at me like a mean girl than actually discussing this case. Mix it up with me if you dare. You won't. We know why. And it's not even like this is an NFL rulebook case on a play that happened where there's usually right and wrong. Most of this is just speculation where how you think, reason, and detect is front and center. Let's see what you got, Irvinite.

Alleges he is being "lumped into an against category", then lumps others into the "fanboi", "pro-Irvin", "Irvinite" category.

Criticizes posters for pointing out that others have agreed with the criticisms directed at him then invokes the oh so weak appeal to the flock by saying, "WE know why". Who are you speaking for? You guys having secret meetings? lol

I said it before and I'll say it again. You most definitely don't come across as the objective evidence analyzer you purport yourself to be.

 

[MarcusRock]

They may have a legitimate need to know but so would the person you are accusing

Maybe and maybe not. They're a private business, not a court. They can make in-house decisions to ban someone like any other business can do when they refuse service to any one for any (non-federally protected) reason. I don't think customers usually get to come back and give their side of the story there either but I don't pretend to know how all businesses operate and in some cases a police report is filed as was not the case here. And here we're talking about sexual harassment so that's an added complexity.

Now, Irvin's team said they did reach out to Marriott with their witnesses, etc. and Marriott didn't respond or consider them which they say is why the suit was filed but that was after Irvin had already been expelled from the hotel and he was taken off the air. Not sure if Irvin's team was seeking an apology, a settlement or what back then but I'm sure Marriott's lawyers would tell their folks not to admit guilt of any kind even if they thought they were wrong. So here we are.