News: PFT: Marriott tries to dismiss Michael Irvin's lawsuit, claims he made "harassing and inappropriate comments"

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I dont know how you possibly come to the conclusion, based upon what the witnesses have said, that they didnt hear everything or that they were a distance away from the interaction. Its actually quite the opposite based upon what they have said.
Did you miss the post where I analyzed what the witness actually said? He only described the interaction, not the actual conversation contents. He was asked point blank if he heard what was said and the witness goes on to describe "a pleasant conversation." He saw the conversation, he didn't hear it based on his own words. Would love to see if he can eventually cite specifics because that's what this case is actually about.
 

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I don't think that should. To me, that's a situation where, if she was upset by it, she couldve just said that she didn't like it, and he'd probably have apologised. Nothing further would've happened. It's why I'm inclined that something more severe would have to have been alleged for him to be allegedly banned from all Marriott hotels. That is why I question the case that Marriott thinks they have.
Good point.........I think if it was just a sexual comment like, "you got a nice arse" or something like that, she would just tell him to get lost and walk away.

The fact that Irvin was banned from all Marriott hotels anywhere kinda tells me it was something way more serious, like did he offer her money for sex, did he threaten her if she told anybody, stuff like that.

I guess we will find out soon enough.
 

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Did you miss the post where I analyzed what the witness actually said? He only described the interaction, not the actual conversation contents. He was asked point blank if he heard what was said and the witness goes on to describe "a pleasant conversation." He saw the conversation, he didn't hear it based on his own words. Would love to see if he can eventually cite specifics because that's what this case is actually about.
I dont need to see your analysis, I watched the video of the witnesses actually talking, and like I said, he wasnt in a courtroom. He was speaking to a TMZ reporter. Did the tmz reporter press him for more specifics? Did the reporter say... well what exactly did Mike say?
 

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I dont need to see your analysis, I watched the video of the witnesses actually talking, and like I said, he wasnt in a courtroom. He was speaking to a TMZ reporter. Did the tmz reporter press him for more specifics? Did the reporter say... well what exactly did Mike say?
My analysis goes deeper than the surface, so yeah you do need it. I don't care who was questioning him and if that's the defense for lack of specifics, that's telling. He was given plenty of room to cite specifics and never did with 2 separate promptings. He clearly didn't hear what was said which is why he only described what was seen and mentioned that there was nothing for him "to actually take notice of what was going on." Are those the words of a person who is right up on people listening to their entire conversation or from a distance looking for some kind of raucous and noticing none? Are you not able to make these types of deductions on your own or do you need this spelled out for you?
 

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your comments on this are ignorant as hell. There is ZERO proof available to any of us that shows Mike did ANYTHING wrong. Yet you acceot as fact that he did SOMETHING.... you dont know what because the hotel nor the lady has said anything about what he did.... but he must have done it, because you think he is a POS.
yep he's a pos. Yep they moved his ******* just for the fun of it.
 

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The incident happened they didn't move Michael till the next day. I can understand that because I'm sure they needed to consult their HR/Lawyers.
I still ask because I haven't read it anywhere
Was Michael Fired from NFLN?
Was Michael Banned from All Marriots?
I haven't heard one response from Michael's employer on Why they decided to pull him from SB
Does anyone clarify that?

The witness for Michael clearly know what the accuser looks like so a good reporter would have got some type of idea of what she looked like and should have been able to identify
had Michael been staying there several days where there could be time for him to have had more than that one contact?

There is No evidence that he was drunk he stated on 105.3 " I don't remember I had a few drinks. Whomever Michael had drinks with can confirm how much he had. Were they questioned? The witness didn't say that Michael was drunk surely they would know.

I am NOT saying Michael didn't say anything inappropriate to her I don't know I wasn't there but Michael has the right to confront his accuser.

Some here think he is a POS and so therefore that makes him guilty your attacking his character because you don't like him.
He who is without sin let them cast the first stone.
 

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Good point.........I think if it was just a sexual comment like, "you got a nice arse" or something like that, she would just tell him to get lost and walk away.

The fact that Irvin was banned from all Marriott hotels anywhere kinda tells me it was something way more serious, like did he offer her money for sex, did he threaten her if she told anybody, stuff like that.

I guess we will find out soon enough.

Exactly, and that's something that 1. I think the witnesses would've spoken up about as they were in earshot of what allegedly happened. 2. The tape would indicate some sort of altercation taking place like that. That's why, logically to me, I'm not convinced about Marriott's story.
 

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Exactly, and that's something that 1. I think the witnesses would've spoken up about as they were in earshot of what allegedly happened. 2. The tape would indicate some sort of altercation taking place like that. That's why, logically to me, I'm not convinced about Marriott's story.
There's no "altercation" to be seen on video. How many times does this have to be repeated??

And Marriott has no "story". They took an action and explained it at the time to relevant parties, and now are defending a lawsuit.
The story came from Irvin running his mouth and his Jerrah fix it man taking the case
 

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Exactly, and that's something that 1. I think the witnesses would've spoken up about as they were in earshot of what allegedly happened. 2. The tape would indicate some sort of altercation taking place like that. That's why, logically to me, I'm not convinced about Marriott's story.
Well the witnesses that are out there already didn't appear to hear the contents of their conversation. At least they didn't divulge in interviews. So it seems to me they were at a distance which the video would also show. And again, Irvin said that Marriott objected to things he allegedly said to their employee. No one had reported anything physical from the start. So the video isn't going to show what he said unless there's accompanying audio and there's not going to be anything physical because no one has claimed that so far. I can already see that if the video is released and doesn't show a physical confrontation that people who want Mike to win this will try to claim victory with that when this whole thing is about what was said. Mike's lawyers want that too. That's why if you're Marriott, you hold on to that video until you're forced to turn it over like we discussed before.
 

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I don't think that should. To me, that's a situation where, if she was upset by it, she couldve just said that she didn't like it, and he'd probably have apologised. Nothing further would've happened. It's why I'm inclined that something more severe would have to have been alleged for him to be allegedly banned from all Marriott hotels. That is why I question the case that Marriott thinks they have.
There is no evidence that Irvin has been banned from Marriott hotels.
 

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The incident happened they didn't move Michael till the next day. I can understand that because I'm sure they needed to consult their HR/Lawyers.
I still ask because I haven't read it anywhere
Was Michael Fired from NFLN?
Was Michael Banned from All Marriots?
I haven't heard one response from Michael's employer on Why they decided to pull him from SB
Does anyone clarify that?

The witness for Michael clearly know what the accuser looks like so a good reporter would have got some type of idea of what she looked like and should have been able to identify
had Michael been staying there several days where there could be time for him to have had more than that one contact?

There is No evidence that he was drunk he stated on 105.3 " I don't remember I had a few drinks. Whomever Michael had drinks with can confirm how much he had. Were they questioned? The witness didn't say that Michael was drunk surely they would know.

I am NOT saying Michael didn't say anything inappropriate to her I don't know I wasn't there but Michael has the right to confront his accuser.

Some here think he is a POS and so therefore that makes him guilty your attacking his character because you don't like him.
He who is without sin let them cast the first stone.
At this time, he has not been fired and don’t know if he was docked any pay because NFLN has been totally silent.

Same goes for this banned for life from Marriott. We don’t know that they didn’t move him to another Marriott property but this hotel is Marriott in name only, not their hotel.

What we do know is that this happened on a Sunday night, he was moved on Monday morning and did a call into 105.3 Wednesday morning where the “can’t remember, I had a few drinks, to tell the truth” took place.

There has been nothing from NFLN since this happened. This is an employee suing a sponsor so I am sure the NFL lawyers have asked for silence.
 

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The fact you’d place Irvin in the same light as Stephen A speaks volumes.

Yes, it is an entertainment value to some. But not something I’d look to a sports programming network for. Certainly not something we’d look to other former athletes for.

And why it wasn’t respectable analyst as they attempt to portray. Maybe better suited for late night comedian entertainment.
speaks volumes about what? That Mike is paid to entertain people? He knows football and he talks football, but he is unique and there is nobody like him. The fact he has been on NFL network this long, and is constantly brought on to other shows also speaks volumes.
 

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At this time, he has not been fired and don’t know if he was docked any pay because NFLN has been totally silent.

Same goes for this banned for life from Marriott. We don’t know that they didn’t move him to another Marriott property but this hotel is Marriott in name only, not their hotel.

What we do know is that this happened on a Sunday night, he was moved on Monday morning and did a call into 105.3 Wednesday morning where the “can’t remember, I had a few drinks, to tell the truth” took place.

There has been nothing from NFLN since this happened. This is an employee suing a sponsor so I am sure the NFL lawyers have asked for silence.
There is no doubt Mike was and is being paid by his employer. He has a contract and as of right now there has been no porof , hearing, nothing to offer he was in violation of his contract. So until the NFL network actually does something besides take Mike off the air, he will still be getting paid.
 

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Good point.........I think if it was just a sexual comment like, "you got a nice arse" or something like that, she would just tell him to get lost and walk away.

The fact that Irvin was banned from all Marriott hotels anywhere kinda tells me it was something way more serious, like did he offer her money for sex, did he threaten her if she told anybody, stuff like that.

I guess we will find out soon enough.
from the witness statements, the interaction was like 45 seconds. Im not thinking that was long enough to have a nice hello, and then go immediately into hey lets have sex, followed by threats if she said anything. Mike isnt a rookie at this thing.... and to do that right out in public? Come on. The witnesses even said that Mike offered to take pics but made it clear they needed to step outside to take the pics. Im not sure why, but maybe out of respect for the people in the hotel.... it wasnt like he was falling over drunk. This whole story stinks to high heaven.
 

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My analysis goes deeper than the surface, so yeah you do need it. I don't care who was questioning him and if that's the defense for lack of specifics, that's telling. He was given plenty of room to cite specifics and never did with 2 separate promptings. He clearly didn't hear what was said which is why he only described what was seen and mentioned that there was nothing for him "to actually take notice of what was going on." Are those the words of a person who is right up on people listening to their entire conversation or from a distance looking for some kind of raucous and noticing none? Are you not able to make these types of deductions on your own or do you need this spelled out for you?
wow... talk about arrogance... well Ill feel you in on something. I actually have a degree in criminal justice and went to McGeorge School of law... so please spare me with your deep analysis. The FACT is this was not a court room, there was no questioning by a lawyer, just a witness giving an account of what he saw while NOT being pressed for details. So get off your legal soap box to which you already admitted you are no legal scholar.
 

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yep he's a pos. Yep they moved his ******* just for the fun of it.
no, they moved him to kill any controversy around the super bowl week by just moving him to a corner and then figuring things out later. This is COMMON among any entity that works in the public eye and wants top avoid issues for them by any action of an employee.
The band Journey did this with their drummer several years ago. He was accused of domestic violence, he was immediately released from his contract........ let the lynch mob go away, and he is now back as their drummer. .Imagine that.
 

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The incident happened they didn't move Michael till the next day. I can understand that because I'm sure they needed to consult their HR/Lawyers.
I still ask because I haven't read it anywhere
Was Michael Fired from NFLN?
Was Michael Banned from All Marriots?
I haven't heard one response from Michael's employer on Why they decided to pull him from SB
Does anyone clarify that?

The witness for Michael clearly know what the accuser looks like so a good reporter would have got some type of idea of what she looked like and should have been able to identify
had Michael been staying there several days where there could be time for him to have had more than that one contact?

There is No evidence that he was drunk he stated on 105.3 " I don't remember I had a few drinks. Whomever Michael had drinks with can confirm how much he had. Were they questioned? The witness didn't say that Michael was drunk surely they would know.

I am NOT saying Michael didn't say anything inappropriate to her I don't know I wasn't there but Michael has the right to confront his accuser.

Some here think he is a POS and so therefore that makes him guilty your attacking his character because you don't like him.
He who is without sin let them cast the first stone.

NFL Network has not fired him. They did the same thing that happens when someone that works for a big company has something like this happen. They are put in a corner while HR does an "Investigation." Mike is not a typical employee, he actually has a contract with specific language in it in regards to behavior, Im sure. So HR is likely waiting to see what the outcome of all this is, and if they do fire Mike, you can bet they will also be sued. Why is the NFL network not in the lawsuit filed by Mike? Because he is still getting paid, and that is the ONLY thing that the NFL network is legally required to do... pay him. Remember when they put Ray Rice in the corner just to get him out of the public eye? Well he was still paid, so there was nothing he could do as far as filing a grievance.
 

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There is no doubt Mike was and is being paid by his employer. He has a contract and as of right now there has been no porof , hearing, nothing to offer he was in violation of his contract. So until the NFL network actually does something besides take Mike off the air, he will still be getting paid.
For all we know, his being off the air may have to do with what happened Wednesday morning more than Sunday night at the hotel.
 

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speaks volumes about what? That Mike is paid to entertain people? He knows football and he talks football, but he is unique and there is nobody like him. The fact he has been on NFL network this long, and is constantly brought on to other shows also speaks volumes.
You just placed him in same entertainment category as Stephen A. Only some Cowboy fans are interested in one of their own presenting an overly homeristic or unbiased viewpoint.

The entertainment factor is the only attraction. Similar to the attraction entertainment factor our owner presents.
 

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For all we know, his being off the air may have to do with what happened Wednesday morning more than Sunday night at the hotel.
It doesn’t really matter. Pay while on suspension is fairly normal procedure as Reid alluded to.

The NFL network is simply waiting for the investigation to complete .

But I imagine if there is anything at all to this he’s done . If not , he’ll be on a very short leash.

As you have maintained his public statements were the most damaging.
 
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