News: PFT: Marriott tries to dismiss Michael Irvin's lawsuit, claims he made "harassing and inappropriate comments"

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You really do struggle with logic LOL are you the one that claims to have the criminal justice degree? If so that's shocking. My point was is there are those claiming that Irvin's past doesn't matter but these are the same people that will say the women's history matters. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy and you have been proving my point. As to the 45 seconds you have to be clueless to think something couldn't be said in those 45 seconds that could be considered harassment, intimidation, a threat or inappropriate. The fact that you use that as exoneration shows that you probably failed your criminal justice course if indeed you took one
context oh clueless one. Look at what we know, look at witness statements.... look at the video that has been put online..... use all of that, not some crazy story you have in your mind.
 

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But what if Marriott didn’t respond as they did with the complaint?

I’m sure there’s been countless complaints that Marriott didn’t respond in such fashion.

We don’t even know what the complaint was. It was Marriotts decision to take action. I can’t imagine her having much liability here.
Lets just say that the employee didnt even file a complaint.... was in casual conversation with the woman and she told a manager... yeah, that Michael Irvin guy asked me to come up to his room and he wanted to have sex with me.... and she left it at that. THEN the hotel kicks mike out, calls NFL Network and the rest followed..... I would agree with you. BUT, if she said Mike said this and mIke said that and it turns out he didnt..... she is gonna lose her arse in court also. Again, all of this is speculation on everyone's part until we here FACTS.
 

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My argument about Zeke being suspended held up. Just because he hasn’t had any public sexual misconduct since we don’t know if he’s been a model citizen or not.

I’m sure he was a model citizen with all of the other altercations . If be wasn’t a Cowboy , their fans would have bashed him.
and if he was a Bengal he would have never been suspended.
 

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context oh clueless one. Look at what we know, look at witness statements.... look at the video that has been put online..... use all of that, not some crazy story you have in your mind.
The video is online? Where?
 

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The video is online? Where?
there was video I think was taken by one of the three guys that shows irvin standing there with a drink in his hand, 2 ladies at a table .... it is NOT the video from marriott. There wa sno audio in what I saw
 

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I guess you miss my point. Point being I dont care what he said.... he could have said something completely sexist, completely uncalled for.... and it still shouldnt cost him his career. We just now live in a world that is so quick to say a person said this or said that and they should never be able to work again. So listen carefully.... NO MATTER WHAT HE SAID, it shouldnt cost someone a career. Would it make him a jerk? Maybe. Someone you wouldnt want to hang out with? Maybe... but nothing he said would be criminal. He isnt her boss. He is not in a position of power over her. You should understand the difference and why one would be illegal, and the other nothing more than a pig.
No, you missed my point. I quoted two of your posts. In the first you chide another poster for bias and worthy of being kicked off a jury for this case while minutes earlier you made a biased post worthy of you being kicked off a jury for this case, hence the politician quip. But ah well. You're free to believe whatever you wish as I wasn't commenting on what you said but in the context of other things you said.
 

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Yeah, Irvin's comments on the radio seem to be the biggest problem.

He admitted he didnt remember what he told her because he had a few drinks. Any attorney worth their salt is going to use this as the main weapon against Irvin, all the attorney has to say is "if you dont remember what you said to her, how can you say she is lying"?

To win a defamation suit, you have to prove that the other party intentionally allowed or spread false rumors and misinformation against you with the intent of hurting your reputation. Kinda like Dominion suing Fox News right now for allowing their hosts each night to claim the election was rigged because the Dominion voting machines switched the votes. Of course old Murdock seems to be sinking the case for Fox right now, just brutal deposition, but I digress...........point is I dont see how Irvin can win a defamation suit if he admitted he cant remember what he said.
Whether Irvin initially remembered who she was after probably meeting people all day is not the issue. That hotel contacted the NFL Network and/or ESPN and told them something that caused them to remove Irvin from the Superbowl coverage.

What they alleged will come out eventually in discovery.
 

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and if he was a Bengal he would have never been suspended.
That’s arguable . But no doubt it would have helped not being on a team at the time with so many problem players and an owner who wasn’t as cooperative .

In the end it was also about his other altercations while under investigation that played a role as well. He had much working against him not to mention being a star player the league usually likes to make an example of.
 

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Lets just say that the employee didnt even file a complaint.... was in casual conversation with the woman and she told a manager... yeah, that Michael Irvin guy asked me to come up to his room and he wanted to have sex with me.... and she left it at that. THEN the hotel kicks mike out, calls NFL Network and the rest followed..... I would agree with you. BUT, if she said Mike said this and mIke said that and it turns out he didnt..... she is gonna lose her arse in court also. Again, all of this is speculation on everyone's part until we here FACTS.
Of course false claims would be liable. I’m just not sure why we’d believe this employee would out of the blue manufacture total false claims.

Taking Irvin’s words or gesture out of context could be a possibility but he couldn’t even remember what he said. Which if he was that intoxicated who knows what he could have said or expressed.

In the end the Marriott made their decision based on her complaint and viewing the video. Something none of us have seen.
 

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Lets just say that the employee didnt even file a complaint.... was in casual conversation with the woman and she told a manager... yeah, that Michael Irvin guy asked me to come up to his room and he wanted to have sex with me.... and she left it at that. THEN the hotel kicks mike out, calls NFL Network and the rest followed..... I would agree with you. BUT, if she said Mike said this and mIke said that and it turns out he didnt..... she is gonna lose her arse in court also. Again, all of this is speculation on everyone's part until we here FACTS.
Facts? All we are going to hear, if we hear anything, is what she said he said and him trying to deny it the best he can.

He is going to have some kind of credible memory recovery because he's already freely admitted he didn't remember.

There is also this unfounded accusation that the hotel called NFLN and ESPN to get him in trouble and all they probably did was let NFLN, the payer of the room, know that they had moved Irvin. Imagine some questions arose from that and they had to explain but if this goes to trial, that will all come out. Will that show intent to harm his reputation?

And then there is this banned from Marriott that has 0 foundation and we do not know they didn;t move him to another Marriott property. Or that he's been fired when NFLN has been silent about this entire situation.

And there is also this erroneous thinking that he has a case against NFLN, no, he doesn't. They could have sent him home after that really stupid radio call in he did. We do not know if they told him to lay low and sit tight while they worked things out and he's the one that brought about his own troubles. That seems to be the catalyst for this going public.
 

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Facts? All we are going to hear, if we hear anything, is what she said he said and him trying to deny it the best he can.

He is going to have some kind of credible memory recovery because he's already freely admitted he didn't remember.

There is also this unfounded accusation that the hotel called NFLN and ESPN to get him in trouble and all they probably did was let NFLN, the payer of the room, know that they had moved Irvin. Imagine some questions arose from that and they had to explain but if this goes to trial, that will all come out. Will that show intent to harm his reputation?

And then there is this banned from Marriott that has 0 foundation and we do not know they didn;t move him to another Marriott property. Or that he's been fired when NFLN has been silent about this entire situation.

And there is also this erroneous thinking that he has a case against NFLN, no, he doesn't. They could have sent him home after that really stupid radio call in he did. We do not know if they told him to lay low and sit tight while they worked things out and he's the one that brought about his own troubles. That seems to be the catalyst for this going public.
How do you know what was communicated to the NFL Network or ESPN? You don't. All of this will come out during discovery. Why people keep speculating based on their biases is beyond me.
 

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How do you know what was communicated to the NFL Network or ESPN? You don't. All of this will come out during discovery. Why people keep speculating based on their biases is beyond me.
I do not know and have stated that. I was addressing those that have insinuated the hotel ratted him out when they've said nothing except for their lawyers to add harassing to inappropriate.

Now, harassment calls for speculation because that takes it up a level from inappropriate.
 

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How do you know what was communicated to the NFL Network or ESPN? You don't. All of this will come out during discovery. Why people keep speculating based on their biases is beyond me.
And speculating based on our biases is what we do. You've only been here for 500 posts, wait, you'll see.

What is amusing is how serious some take this, like they have a vested interest in Irvin's career.

And it's not just about biases, it's about history. If they broke a story about this happening with a NFLN analyst/host without divulging his name, who is the first person that comes to mind? Eisen? Mariucci? Warner?
 

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And speculating based on our biases is what we do. You've only been here for 500 posts, wait, you'll see.

What is amusing is how serious some take this, like they have a vested interest in Irvin's career.

And it's not just about biases, it's about history. If they broke a story about this happening with a NFLN analyst/host without divulging his name, who is the first person that comes to mind? Eisen? Mariucci? Warner?
Look again at my join date before you tell me how long I have been here.
 

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Of course false claims would be liable. I’m just not sure why we’d believe this employee would out of the blue manufacture total false claims.

Taking Irvin’s words or gesture out of context could be a possibility but he couldn’t even remember what he said. Which if he was that intoxicated who knows what he could have said or expressed.

In the end the Marriott made their decision based on her complaint and viewing the video. Something none of us have seen.
Mr. Irvin, did why is it today you say you do in fact remember what you said that night, but when you went on that radio show you said you did not remember?

Uhm, well, my lawyers and I talked about me appearing on the radio show prior to my appearance and they made it clear to me I should not get into specifics. So when I was asked about what was said, it just seemed simple enough to tell some radio DJ I didnt remember so I could get him to stop asking me about specifics.
 

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Look again at my join date before you tell me how long I have been here.
I assumed you joined just recently because of your post count, wrong on my part to assume. But if you've been here for a while, then you know we speculate, and a lot of that is based on biases against the Joneses, Prescott and now, Irvin.
 

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Mr. Irvin, did why is it today you say you do in fact remember what you said that night, but when you went on that radio show you said you did not remember?

Uhm, well, my lawyers and I talked about me appearing on the radio show prior to my appearance and they made it clear to me I should not get into specifics. So when I was asked about what was said, it just seemed simple enough to tell some radio DJ I didnt remember so I could get him to stop asking me about specifics.
If that’s the case then his argument will be in shambles.
 

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No, you missed my point. I quoted two of your posts. In the first you chide another poster for bias and worthy of being kicked off a jury for this case while minutes earlier you made a biased post worthy of you being kicked off a jury for this case, hence the politician quip. But ah well. You're free to believe whatever you wish as I wasn't commenting on what you said but in the context of other things you said.
I am actually quite the opposite. You will not find a single post of mine that says Michael did nothing. I have no clue. I do find it unlikely based upon the length of their interaction and the ACTUAL witness comments on the situation. I am an absolute believer in the right to withhold judgement on people until they have their day in court. That was the same for Zeke, Jerry and anyone else that has accusations slung at them.
 

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If that’s the case then his argument will be in shambles.
not even close. What is said in court is quite different than what is said in public and rightfully so. Out in public people just talk. They arent questioned and they arent under oath.
 

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Mr. Irvin, did why is it today you say you do in fact remember what you said that night, but when you went on that radio show you said you did not remember?

Uhm, well, my lawyers and I talked about me appearing on the radio show prior to my appearance and they made it clear to me I should not get into specifics. So when I was asked about what was said, it just seemed simple enough to tell some radio DJ I didnt remember so I could get him to stop asking me about specifics.
LMAO, Reid! Do you really think any lawyer is going to suggest his client go on a radio call in show, especially a loose mouth like Irvin? He didn't have the lawyer set up at the time of the call in is my guess. And the first thing this lawyer did was shut him up. We haven't heard a peep from him since but I think the damage is already done.

If you watch the video of that call in show, look how quickly they get him back into what the call in was supposed to be about. He started the call in with something they hadn't even heard rumor of and when they said so, his reply was "well, you will hear". Yes, they would, from him.
 
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