PFT: NFL declines to release Elliott investigative report, transcript of hearing

[Plankton]

No, the Brady case had to do with whether the NFL could punish Brady according to its rules. The court said it could.

As I noted in a previous post, the league didn't say Zeke beat his ex. It said he exhibited conduct that didn't meet the league's policy. And it punished him according to that policy, which is much broader and, I would say, more nebulous.

Page 3 of the letter sent to him indicates otherwise:

"Based on the entire record, the credible evidence establishes that on multiple occasions during the week of July 16, 2016, you used physical force against Ms. Thompson, resulting in her injury, specifically as follows...."

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/08/11/ezekiel-elliott-suspension-letter-nfl

 

[gimmesix]

Show me where they specifically called him a woman beater?

I agree that's the implication of the decision. But they didn't come out and say that, unless you can show me.

I went back and looked at the league's statement. It didn't use the term woman beater, but did have this:

In a letter to Elliott advising him of the decision, Todd Jones, the NFL's Special Counsel for Conduct, said these advisors "were of the view that there is substantial and persuasive evidence supporting a finding that [Elliott] engaged in physical violence against Ms. Thompson on multiple occasions during the week of July 16, 2016."

 

[yimyammer]

Sadly this is phenomena is not just in the NFL world

It is sad, I'm not convinced Zeke is spotless in this scenario but the way the NFL is handling issues like this strikes me as almost like a form of vigilante justice and it isn't sitting right with me. They need to codify the rules, have speedy trials, due process & make the punishment clear to all in advance, i.e....cut the arbitrary bull ****.

 

[aikemirv]

League lawyers have a history of losing. Jerry has taken on the league himself, as did Al Davis and both have won vs the league. I'm not saying this is a slam dunk by any means for Elliott but what I would say if I was in Zeke shoes is my reputation matters and will fight the devil to protect it. At least for me my reputation as a person and as a man is the most valuable asset I own and I would be damned before I would allow anyone to taint that.

Exactly, even if he does not win he needs to expose this woman for the lies she has told which the media does not to seem to want to do. If it gets out what she has done and the truth that most Cowboy fans know then he has a chance of restoring his image. He has to take this as far as possible and make it as visible as possible if he truly is innocent! The more information out there the better for him.

 

[Sydla]

The NFL letter stated that the panel of advisors said there was strong evidence to support a finding that Elliott hit the girl.

The NFL letter then says under it's "Findings" section that the credible evidence establishes that Elliott used physical force on the girl.

The letter ends with the punishment stating that he got 6 games because the DV policy is clear - you get 6 games for domestic violence.

But apparently the league isn't saying that Elliott hit the girl? LOL.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

From the Who, 'It's a Legal Matter Baby' for your listening enjoyment:

 

[SultanOfSix]

Actually, your link confirms what I've been saying.
This decision has been couched in enough generalities that it may pass legal muster.

Generalities associated with integrity of the game and public confidence in it. That's about it.

 

[eyedoc]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...t-investigative-report-transcript-of-hearing/

This thing looks worse and worse for the league all the time.

It really needs to go to court. Maybe then things will start to get fixed.

By declaring this it's almost like they have something to hide. We have to take the word of the NFL that the evidence even exists. Go Cowboys

 

[aikemirv]

Interesting to read the quotes by Jeff Sullivan about Zeke and Jerry Jones today.

"0% chance Zeke sits out 6 games this year or next"

 

[Yakuza Rich]

They aren't calling this domestic violence. They are calling it misconduct detrimental to the league.

I think a legal team could argue against that.

In the letter the NFL sent to EE, they state in the background that EE was allegedly involved of multiple instances of violence against Tiffany Thompson.

Then they discuss how that violates their conduct policy.

One could easily argue that domestic violence is under the 'conduct umbrella' and while they can state that it's a conduct issue...the conduct is about domestic violence.

The NFL did throw in the incident on St. Paddy's Day. That would be more of a 'pure conduct' issue...a conduct that is not illegal, but deemed unbecoming of an NFL player.

Problem is that the NFL has stated that the St. Paddy's Day incident was not included in their judgment and subsequent suspension.

The CBA gives Goodell a ton of authority, but he's been overruled before by courts in suspensions because they have deemed he didn't actually follow the rules of the CBA.

What gets all of this overturned anyway is when the court of public opinion clearly favors EE. That's really what EE's team needs to do. And they can also help themselves by demanding why the Columbus DA changed his mind on the case.




YR

 

[EPL0c0]

Zeke's case will set the precedent moving forward. It will also be the end of Roger.

No doubt. And I'm sure Tramaine Brock is watching very carefully b/c as of now, I'd imagine he's facing a 6-game suspension as well, right?

I hope Zeke's ppl dig into how/why Josh Brown's suspension was set at 1-game, when it seemed that 6-games is the supposed standard minimum.

 

[goshan]

I think a legal team could argue against that.

In the letter the NFL sent to EE, they state in the background that EE was allegedly involved of multiple instances of violence against Tiffany Thompson.

Then they discuss how that violates their conduct policy.

One could easily argue that domestic violence is under the 'conduct umbrella' and while they can state that it's a conduct issue...the conduct is about domestic violence.

The NFL did throw in the incident on St. Paddy's Day. That would be more of a 'pure conduct' issue...a conduct that is not illegal, but deemed unbecoming of an NFL player.

Problem is that the NFL has stated that the St. Paddy's Day incident was not included in their judgment and subsequent suspension.

The CBA gives Goodell a ton of authority, but he's been overruled before by courts in suspensions because they have deemed he didn't actually follow the rules of the CBA.

What gets all of this overturned anyway is when the court of public opinion clearly favors EE. That's really what EE's team needs to do. And they can also help themselves by demanding why the Columbus DA changed his mind on the case.




YR

Columbus DA didn't change his mind. He said he believed her but couldn't get a conviction, so he didn't pursue it. DA's don't decide to pursue convictions based upon what/who they believe. They focus on the evidence and determine likelihood of a conviction. In a court of law, there would likely be reasonable doubt because the evidence is circumstantial and Tiffany's credibility is weak because she lied.

But that has nothing to do with whether or not the DA believed some abuse occurred.

 

[Bowdown27]

I live in New York (for now) and honestly all giants fans I've associated with are happy he's not playing against them but agree this whole situation is messed up nd unfair to zeke and cowboys

 

[Boyzmamacita]

No, the Brady case had to do with whether the NFL could punish Brady according to its rules. The court said it could.

As I noted in a previous post, the league didn't say Zeke beat his ex. It said he exhibited conduct that didn't meet the league's policy. And it punished him according to that policy, which is much broader and, I would say, more nebulous.

They referred to him as a "woman beater." Defamation of character.

 

[aikemirv]

Columbus DA didn't change his mind. He said he believed her but couldn't get a conviction, so he didn't pursue it. DA's don't decide to pursue convictions based upon what/who they believe. They focus on the evidence and determine likelihood of a conviction. In a court of law, there would likely be reasonable doubt because the evidence is circumstantial and Tiffany's credibility is weak because she lied.

But that has nothing to do with whether or not the DA believed some abuse occurred.

I would think the DA would be very careful about calling the girl a liar as it would call him into question for future DV cases he might handle. The fact here is that the girls testimony was not reliable, she asked others to lie, and she was the violent one of the 2 proven by the affidavit proving the fight between her and the other girl. This girl, while she may have had bruises had no proof, no credibility and tons of threats she made against Zeke. They had absolutely zero case against Zeke.

 

[Setackin]

This

 

[Boyzmamacita]

I think they turned domestic violence into an automatic 6 games after the Josh Brown goof up. They changed policy.

They aren't calling this domestic violence. They are calling it misconduct detrimental to the league.

Then why did he get the mandatory 6 games then? That applies to DV.

 

[Stash]

By declaring this it's almost like they have something to hide. We have to take the word of the NFL that the evidence even exists. Go Cowboys

Exactly. It shows everybody that they have something to hide.

"Just take our word for it guys!"

Uh... no.

 

[aikemirv]

Page 3 of the letter sent to him indicates otherwise:

"Based on the entire record, the credible evidence establishes that on multiple occasions during the week of July 16, 2016, you used physical force against Ms. Thompson, resulting in her injury, specifically as follows...."

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/08/11/ezekiel-elliott-suspension-letter-nfl

"credible evidence" she said he did - that is bizarre to me because I believe they said that most of the injuries were older than that date. This is the craziest thing I have ever seen! If there was credible evidence the DA would have prosecuted him!

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Dude, I'm still laughing over your signature.........LOL LOL