PFT: NFL declines to release Elliott investigative report, transcript of hearing

[SultanOfSix]

No, the Brady case had to do with whether the NFL could punish Brady according to its rules. The court said it could.

As I noted in a previous post, the league didn't say Zeke beat his ex. It said he exhibited conduct that didn't meet the league's policy. And it punished him according to that policy, which is much broader and, I would say, more nebulous.

It is official! Zeke suspended 6 games **merged**

 

[yimyammer]

NO they called him a woman beater. That is what you are ignoring.

Are you saying they used the term "woman beater"? If so, what is the source for this?

 

[dogberry]

My problem is the League using the CBA to gain access to a player's cell phone.

Is that an actual, defined part of the CBA?

 

[tyke1doe]

NO they called him a woman beater. That is what you are ignoring.

Show me where they specifically called him a woman beater?

I agree that's the implication of the decision. But they didn't come out and say that, unless you can show me.

 

[LittleD]

I agree. And they need to keep hammering the fact that she was shown to lie and make threats against Zeke.

What we don't know if the woman and other witnesses took lie detector tests for the NFL. Prosecutors use lie detector evidence all the time to determine if they will take a case to court or not. The NFL might have information not made available to the public. Even though lie detectors are generally not admissible in court, they can be used to determine who might be telling the truth on he said/she said issues. We just don't know.

 

[erod]

Are you saying they used the term "woman beater"? If so, what is the source for this?

It's in the NFL report.

 

[tyke1doe]

League lawyers have a history of losing. Jerry has taken on the league himself, as did Al Davis and both have won vs the league. I'm not saying this is a slam dunk by any means for Elliott but what I would say if I was in Zeke shoes is my reputation matters and will fight the devil to protect it. At least for me my reputation as a person and as a man is the most valuable asset I own and I would be damned before I would allow anyone to taint that.

Oh, I don't disagree with you. I would fight it too.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

How wonderful, lets dole out "justice" based on the whims of public opinion, no more need for the legal system, courts, facts, etc, lets just let Twitter decide all matters of importance

Sadly this is phenomena is not just in the NFL world

 

[Swanny]

I live in an NFL city that is not Dallas, and as far as the court of public opinion goes, I think I have a good feel for what non-Cowboys fans are on this situation based on debates I have had with friends and colleagues. AT least in Green Bay anyways. Almost every person that I have had discussions with on the Zeke situation has been siding with the NFL and they feel he is guilty and deserves the suspension. This can be expected since the info they are receiving is mostly from the side of the alleged victim via the NFL. That being said, if the rest of the non-Cowboy country is experiencing what I am experiencing, it is going to be very hard for the NFL to back-off this suspension. Guilty or not, if the NFL reduces or eliminates the suspension at this point, I feel they are going to be getting some significant backlash from the public.

As a Cowboys fan, I don't like it at all.

This could get even uglier yet.

I live In Milwaukee and every person I know is siding with Zeke but happy that's he's suspended

 

[Sydla]

No, the Brady case had to do with whether the NFL could punish Brady according to its rules. The court said it could.

As I noted in a previous post, the league didn't say Zeke beat his ex. It said he exhibited conduct that didn't meet the league's policy. And it punished him according to that policy, which is much broader and, I would say, more nebulous.

LOL. Wut?

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I don't think so.

Goodell has power that everyone agreed he can have. He can do whatever he wants and this is all about making a statement because of all of their past goof ups.


Maybe an angle they could use to get his suspensions reduced is to say that he wasn't charged with Domestic Violence by the NFL, it was misconduct, and the 6 game suspension was too much for simple misconduct.

From a legal perspective there's a question of why Josh Brown got a 1-game suspension versus Elliott getting a 6-game suspension. And there's also questions as to the length of the suspension in accordance to when this incident happened.

They may also have legal points with them admitting that they basically forced Elliott to come up with reasons why Thompson had bruises on her. If they did not come up with that line of questions/demands from other players accused of DV, then that may be construed by a court as not being consistent with how the investigation was handled. And they might have a case to state that Peter Harvey claiming that Thompson was a witness to her own accusation was something that others accused of DV were afforded that EE was not.





YR

 

[CWR]

yup. i heard a national radio show destroying zeke for being a woman abuser and jerry jones condones it etc. someone called in defending zeke by referencing the texts and the signed witness statement and the hosts cut him off saying 'come on u dont know that happened!!' just brushing away key evidence as heresay and going with what they FEEL happened.

zekes rep is ruined by the nfl.

Just like anything else these days, people believe what they want to believe and typically stand by that without any ability to listen to the other side.

 

[tyke1doe]

It is official! Zeke suspended 6 games **merged**

Actually, your link confirms what I've been saying.
This decision has been couched in enough generalities that it may pass legal muster.

 

[aikemirv]

Tom brady tried that and lost....

Brady did destroy evidence though......

 

[CATCH17]

From a legal perspective there's a question of why Josh Brown got a 1-game suspension versus Elliott getting a 6-game suspension. And there's also questions as to the length of the suspension in accordance to when this incident happened.

They may also have legal points with them admitting that they basically forced Elliott to come up with reasons why Thompson had bruises on her. If they did not come up with that line of questions/demands from other players accused of DV, then that may be construed by a court as not being consistent with how the investigation was handled. And they might have a case to state that Peter Harvey claiming that Thompson was a witness to her own accusation was something that others accused of DV were afforded that EE was not.





YR

I think they turned domestic violence into an automatic 6 games after the Josh Brown goof up. They changed policy.

They aren't calling this domestic violence. They are calling it misconduct detrimental to the league.

 

[tyke1doe]

LOL. Wut?

Show me where the league specifically says Zeke beat the woman?
Again, you have to remember we're talking about a decision that was written by or under the counsel of lawyers.
I'm willing to bet you won't be able to find a statement that says that.
Your move.

 

[The Quest for Six]

You're going to disappear like a fart in the wind when this blows up in the league's face.

It's snowballing against Goodell and the league. This was HORRIBLY handled, and is based on nothing but their whims. Barney Fife could have done a better job.

The evidence primarily shows that this is nothing but a habitually lying scorned stripper who was mad because she lost her meal ticket. She wasn't having any part of the breakup, and she sought revenge. Stable people don't write "sex slave" on a police report as their occupation. Stable women aren't known for frequent cat fights.

She "decided" she was Zeke's exclusive girlfriend despite mountains of evidence to the contrary, and then when he broke it off for good, she went crazy. Happens all day, every day, in America with girls of her ilk.

Zeke will take this to court, get an injunction, drag this out, and gain public support as this girl's disheveled life and vindictive ways gets sprawled across the internet even further.

Unless Goodell backs this off to a game or two now, I'll betcha he never serves a suspension for this.

My gut tells me he probably did get physical with her once or twice. My gut also tells me that LOTS of men and women have gotten physical with her because she's an out-of-control, ill-tempered, crazy wench.

Yeah I was told Brady wasn't going to serve a suspension either....

 

[yimyammer]

It's in the NFL report.

I've read the report but my observation & recall skills aren't what they used to be. Since I have been unable to find the words "woman beater", can you kindly give me a hint as to which part of the report I'll find it? thx

 

[CWR]

I think they turned domestic violence into an automatic 6 games after the Josh Brown goof up. They changed policy.

They aren't calling this domestic violence. They are calling it misconduct detrimental to the league.

I actually think its been 6 since 2014 after Ray Rice. The league just chooses not to enforce it, instead handing out punishment randomly.

 

[Sydla]

Show me where the league specifically says Zeke beat the woman?
Again, you have to remember we're talking about a decision that was written by or under the counsel of lawyers.
I'm willing to bet you won't be able to find a statement that says that.
Your move.

Read the first paragraph of the decision section.

The letter states that the policy is clear for violations of physical force against a woman. First violations are a mandatory 6 games unless there are mitigating factors. The letter says there are no mitigating factors here and as such, he gets the 6 game suspension for first time DV violators. There is no nebulousness here. The policy is clear AND the NFL letter states the policy is clear. If you commit a DV (under their findings), you are suspended 6 games mandatory.

So let me get this straight. The letter clearly states he broke the DV policy but yet they aren't saying that he did hit the girl?

Your move.