PFT: Police want to talk to Pacman about Georgia Shooting *Updated*

[silverbear]

welcome to the arena league pacman

You mean the Georgia Penal League, don't you??

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You are talking about health, which if you ignored, could cause death.

That's a little different than choosing to attend a strip club.

Would seem to me that as often as Pac Man manages to put himself in a position to have bullets flying in strip clubs, it could be said that death, somebodies death, is really only a matter of time.

 

[Vintage]

Would seem to me that as often as Pac Man manages to put himself in a position to have bullets flying in strip clubs, it could be said that death, somebodies death, is really only a matter of time.

Yeah, well, when you shoot at someone, bullets tend to fly back at you too.

Had PacMan's entourage (and assuming this is all true), went to the Strip Club, not acted like idiots, and left, I doubt we'd have heard about them going.

But because "allegedly" gun shots were fired, its the fact that they were at a strip club at early morning hours that is a problem.

No.

Its what you do in those early morning hours that is the problem. Acting like idiots and shooting guns at people tend to get you in trouble.

(Assuming any of this story is true).

 

[silverbear]

You are talking about health, which if you ignored, could cause death.

And Pac-Man's jeopardizing millions of dollars... seems to me that most folks could force themselves to walk the straight and narrow if that much money was on the line...

My point was if the NFL is IMPORTANT to the guy, then he ought to be able to change... and if he can't bring himself to do so, then playing football, making all that money, must not be all that important to him...

In which case, why should any of us care if he gets suspended??

 

[Vintage]

And Pac-Man's jeopardizing millions of dollars... seems to me that most folks could force themselves to walk the straight and narrow if that much money was on the line...

My point was if the NFL is IMPORTANT to the guy, then he ought to be able to change... and if he can't bring himself to do so, then playing football, making all that money, must not be all that important to him...

In which case, why should any of us care if he gets suspended??

True, on the money part.

Maybe football isn't important to him. Maybe money isn't either.

I just assumed your health/living was important to you, hence why you acted accordingly.

But PacMan is making choices for himself...and is being dumb about it (if he wants to remain in the NFL).

I have never denied that.

I only care about him getting suspension in the sense that I want to make sure its fair. The only thing I care about in this particular thread is whether or not these allegations are true before I go condemning him.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yeah, well, when you shoot at someone, bullets tend to fly back at you too.

Had PacMan's entourage (and assuming this is all true), went to the Strip Club, not acted like idiots, and left, I doubt we'd have heard about them going.

But because "allegedly" gun shots were fired, its the fact that they were at a strip club at early morning hours that is a problem.

No.

Its what you do in those early morning hours that is the problem. Acting like idiots and shooting guns at people tend to get you in trouble.

(Assuming any of this story is true).

Don't know that this is 100% true. On principle, I do agree with you. You can avoid a great deal by just applying a certain amount of commen sense. The problem is free will. Because, IMO, most people who are out at that time of night, are usually impared to one degree or another, you can't depend on there judgment. There is a certain amount of random chance that plays into it. Unfortunatly, you can do everything right but still be caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. I'm not saying this applies to Pacman or not. I'm just saying that when you have zero room for error (so to speak), the more you can avoid putting yourself in a situation where random chance can effect you, the better. It's a simple excercise in probabilities. Just not worth the risk IMO.

 

[burmafrd]

Pacman lost the chance at "fairness" about 5 incidents ago. Now he WILL get it in the shorts every time he or his "posse" cause trouble. There WERE shots(or at LEAST one shot) fired. That is in every report and the police report. Nothing "alleged" about that. There WAS an incident at that strip club before the shooting and Pacman WAS there at the time. He gets no slack or no benefit of the doubt at all.

 

[silverbear]

True, on the money part.

Maybe football isn't important to him. Maybe money isn't either.

I just assumed your health/living was important to you, hence why you acted accordingly.

But PacMan is making choices for himself...and is being dumb about it (if he wants to remain in the NFL).

I have never denied that.

I only care about him getting suspension in the sense that I want to make sure its fair. The only thing I care about in this particular thread is whether or not these allegations are true before I go condemning him.

First, Vintage, let me point out that I have no problems with the argument you're making, no hostility toward your view... don't want you think I'm gettin' annoyed at you...

I just thought you missed the point, which you addressed directly here, that me getting my health issues under control is indeed really important to me, and I would have thought that making a jillion dollars playing football would be important to Pac-man too (if only because it can fund his strip club addiction for life, once he left the league), so I find it odd that he can't give up those things that are causing him problems, to protect what's important to him...

But as you said, maybe he doesn't really care about being wealthy... in which case, let him go on and live life the way he wants to, it makes no difference to me... but why then should anybody care if he gets suspended or not??

That's a generic comment, I realize that your issue is the severity of the suspension, and that's an issue we're arguing at some length in other threads, a valid issue to be debated, I think... all I'll say on that is my position on that issue differs from yours, I have no problems whatsoever with him being suspended for a year, based on the two failures to report arrests to the league... one such failure might be a different case, but repeated violations require a stronger response, I think...

But all in all, I don't want to get in an argument with you when I don't really disagree with anything you wrote above... I didn't think you were attacking me or anything...

 

[jterrell]

Tell the truth, don't you ever at least wonder about this fool?? Doesn't there come a point where no matter how fair-minded you want to be, you start to tell yourself "anybody who gets in this much trouble, this often, must be doing something wrong"??

Or do you think the police across the country just have it in for him??

How much smoke do you need to see before you start looking for the fire?? I'm not passing judgement on what he did or didn't do in this latest episode, just as I haven't passed judgement on what he did or didn't do in Vegas (since I don't know the facts in either case)... I'm just saying that anybody with a lick of sense ought to be able to figure out that if you keep on having trouble in strip clubs, maybe you need to stay away from strip clubs... and if folks you hang out with keep on shooting at people, maybe you need to find other people to hang out with... I know that if I found out that anybody I hung out with made a habit of carrying a gun when we went out to party, I'd stop hanging out with him, and that's just carrying a gun, not even using it...

And if you DO keep on doing these things, then maybe it's right to conclude that you're a card-carrying sociopath...

If shooting breaks out at my church twice in my lifetime I am considering that a message from God to find a new church....


I am generally very player-friendly very understanding of athletes in general... but there has to be some sense exercised somewhere....

NFL players can go to any club anywhere and pick up hot girls.
Irvin used to ride up in a limo and do quite well at the non-strip clubs.
Women would rush the limo and press 'unharnessed' chests against the back windows... half the time he'd already be uin the club... lol.

I am not asking Pacman to be celibate or to date women of amazingly high character. I am not suggesting he only meet women at Church or the supermarket. I am suggesting he stops going to strip clubs with knucklehead friends who like to shoot at people.

 

[silverbear]

If shooting breaks out at my church twice in my lifetime I am considering that a message from God to find a new church....


I am generally very player-friendly very understanding of athletes in general... but there has to be some sense exercised somewhere....

NFL players can go to any club anywhere and pick up hot girls.
Irvin used to ride up in a limo and do quite well at the non-strip clubs.
Women would rush the limo and press 'unharnessed' chests against the back windows... half the time he'd already be uin the club... lol.

I am not asking Pacman to be celibate or to date women of amazingly high character. I am not suggesting he only meet women at Church or the supermarket. I am suggesting he stops going to strip clubs with knucklehead friends who like to shoot at people.

How completely outrageous of you...

I can only disagree with you on one point raised-- if gunfire breaks out in a church I'm attending ONCE, I'm probably swearing off church altogether... LOL...

 

[5Stars]

How completely outrageous of you...

I can only disagree with you on one point raised-- if gunfire breaks out in a church I'm attending ONCE, I'm probably swearing off church altogether... LOL...

Don't ride dirty in Church in McCordsVille and you will be just fine!

 

[Vintage]

First, Vintage, let me point out that I have no problems with the argument you're making, no hostility toward your view... don't want you think I'm gettin' annoyed at you...

Ditto. I have no problems with you or your POV.

I just thought you missed the point, which you addressed directly here, that me getting my health issues under control is indeed really important to me, and I would have thought that making a jillion dollars playing football would be important to Pac-man too (if only because it can fund his strip club addiction for life, once he left the league), so I find it odd that he can't give up those things that are causing him problems, to protect what's important to him...

(Just taking a stab at PacMans possible thought process)...but he probably already has enough money to set him up nicely for life and to maintain his "fun at strip clubs." Where as with health matters that directly affect how long you live hit closer to home, so to speak.

At some point, we've all thought of life without having to work and the joy that we'll have once being retired. But I doubt many people look at death that way...

So in this case, its possible PacMan isn't as bothered by the NFL as one would be over their own health.

Or PacMan is just an idiot.

Another likely scenario.

But as you said, maybe he doesn't really care about being wealthy... in which case, let him go on and live life the way he wants to, it makes no difference to me... but why then should anybody care if he gets suspended or not??

If he did this, then he deserves to be punished. I just want to see two things unfold from this: the truth and proper/fair punishment.

I distrust the media, royally. So anytime something like this pops up, I immediately question it even if history suggests otherwise (PacMan's long list of alleged wrongdoings). I am not saying he is innocent...I am just saying let's wait and see. The Chris Henry stuff turned out to be false. Maybe that's the case here. If not, then yeah, PacMan deserves to be punished.

That's a generic comment, I realize that your issue is the severity of the suspension, and that's an issue we're arguing at some length in other threads, a valid issue to be debated, I think... all I'll say on that is my position on that issue differs from yours, I have no problems whatsoever with him being suspended for a year, based on the two failures to report arrests to the league... one such failure might be a different case, but repeated violations require a stronger response, I think...

I am not going to say anything other than I just want to see more of a standard amongst punishments. As you've stated, we've debated this in numerous threads and I think we both know we are going to stick to our opinions on that particular matter.

But all in all, I don't want to get in an argument with you when I don't really disagree with anything you wrote above... I didn't think you were attacking me or anything...

Nope. And I don't feel attacked by you either.

 

[BIGWAY]

The one thing that baffels me is why don't he bring the strip club home. I mean if I had his money I would have the strip club in my house. Free drinks and only the dancers you want to see.

 

[Vintage]

If shooting breaks out at my church twice in my lifetime I am considering that a message from God to find a new church....


I am generally very player-friendly very understanding of athletes in general... but there has to be some sense exercised somewhere....

NFL players can go to any club anywhere and pick up hot girls.
Irvin used to ride up in a limo and do quite well at the non-strip clubs.
Women would rush the limo and press 'unharnessed' chests against the back windows... half the time he'd already be uin the club... lol.

I am not asking Pacman to be celibate or to date women of amazingly high character. I am not suggesting he only meet women at Church or the supermarket. I am suggesting he stops going to strip clubs with knucklehead friends who like to shoot at people.

I agree.

He needs to stop going to strip clubs with knuckleheaded friends who like to shoot at people.

Actually, he needs to stop going anywhere with them...(I realize that is where you were headed with that...)

 

[Hostile]

If shooting breaks out at my church twice in my lifetime I am considering that a message from God to find a new church....


I am generally very player-friendly very understanding of athletes in general... but there has to be some sense exercised somewhere....

NFL players can go to any club anywhere and pick up hot girls.
Irvin used to ride up in a limo and do quite well at the non-strip clubs.
Women would rush the limo and press 'unharnessed' chests against the back windows... half the time he'd already be uin the club... lol.

I am not asking Pacman to be celibate or to date women of amazingly high character. I am not suggesting he only meet women at Church or the supermarket. I am suggesting he stops going to strip clubs with knucklehead friends who like to shoot at people.

Great post.

 

[silverbear]

Don't ride dirty in Church in McCordsVille and you will be just fine!

With any luck at all, I'll never find myself in McCordsville, indeed within 100 miles of Indianapolis, ever... that sounds like one rough place...

The kind of place that Pac-Man might hang out... LOL...

 

[silverbear]

I am not going to say anything other than I just want to see more of a standard amongst punishments. As you've stated, we've debated this in numerous threads and I think we both know we are going to stick to our opinions on that particular matter.

I see the merit in that, but I also see the merit in what Goodell said about considering each case individually, and deciding on punishment based on the specific facts of each different case... it's my hope that's what he's doing here, that he has facts that none of us do that suggested the punishments doled out...

Nope. And I don't feel attacked by you either.

Excellent... I'm having enough hard feelings with enough different posters as it is...

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Great post.

I agree. Can only speak for myself but it's pretty hard to argue with JTs logic on that one.


In the immortal words of Ford Fairlane (Andrew Dice Clay), "Use your freaking head!"

 

[DallasCowpoke]

NFL players can go to any club anywhere and pick up hot girls. Irvin used to ride up in a limo and do quite well at the non-strip clubs. Women would rush the limo and press 'unharnessed' chests against the back windows... half the time he'd already be uin the club... lol.

And you witnessed this personally did'ja?

I am not asking Pacman to be celibate or to date women of amazingly high character. I am not suggesting he only meet women at Church or the supermarket. I am suggesting he stops going to strip clubs with knucklehead friends who like to shoot at people.

Gee, according to a thread from last week, concerning a player accused of improprieties with strip club "performers", "women of amazingly high character" should be easy to meet at these fine establishments?

 

[Stash]

Excellent... I'm having enough hard feelings with enough different posters as it is...

Honestly!

I'm still smarting from the vicious 'Bear attack' I received when I badmouthed Leonard Davis prior to the Cowboys signing him.

:nervous: