PFT: Raiders offer Russell more than $30 million guaranteed

[joseephuss]

The Dallas Cowboys today signed Troy Aikman, the quarterback from U.C.L.A., to a six-year, $11.2 million contract. It was the largest contract ever for a National Football League rookie.

I can't believe that it has already been 18 years since that happened. The costs and revenue has certainly shot up. Aikman today would command more money. Maybe even more than what Russell's camp is asking.

I don't see Rusell in Aikman's league. Just like I didn't see David Carr in that league, either just 5 years ago when the Texans made him the #1 overall pick.

 

[Doomsday101]

I can't believe that it has already been 18 years since that happened. The costs and revenue has certainly shot up. Aikman today would command more money. Maybe even more than what Russell's camp is asking.

I don't see Rusell in Aikman's league. Just like I didn't see David Carr in that league, either just 5 years ago when the Texans made him the #1 overall pick.

Thing that gets me is Troy was not 11.2 guaranteed. We are talking 30 mill guaranteed for a guy who has not done jack and this could become a costly mistake for the raiders if this guy does not live up to the billing and honestly I don't think he is that good. Thankfully this is the raiders and not the Cowboys

 

[aikemirv]

Thing that gets me is Troy was not 11.2 guaranteed. We are talking 30 mill guaranteed for a guy who has not done jack and this could become a costly mistake for the raiders if this guy does not live up to the billing and honestly I don't think he is that good. Thankfully this is the raiders and not the Cowboys

It could be the Cowboys next year with a guy like McFadden.

Trade down!!! (Hopefully JJ will return to Rookie form)

 

[AbeBeta]

Talk about major risk. 30 mill for a QB that has not done jack in the NFL. If the raiders are wrong this could cost them big time for a long time.

That's how it goes with a first round pick - it isn't like this is some weird off the wall deal. He's going to get what the first overall pick deserves. Trade out of the spot if you don't want the risk.

 

[AbeBeta]

It could be the Cowboys next year with a guy like McFadden.

Trade down!!! (Hopefully JJ will return to Rookie form)

Any team that trades out of a pick that could yield an elite player because they are afraid of the cost needs to lose their franchise. What is the point of sharing revenue if teams don't want to spend it?

 

[dargonking999]

Thing that gets me is Troy was not 11.2 guaranteed. We are talking 30 mill guaranteed for a guy who has not done jack and this could become a costly mistake for the raiders if this guy does not live up to the billing and honestly I don't think he is that good. Thankfully this is the raiders and not the Cowboys

And the funny part. all the whinning everyone is doing about Signing Romo now or later, Newman, Ware paydays, and people are having wet dreams about McFadden with a star on his helmet. Completly ignoring the fact that if he is indeed the #1 pick, his GM is gonna swell to most likely 40 million.

 

[dargonking999]

Any team that trades out of a pick that could yield an elite player because they are afraid of the cost needs to lose their franchise. What is the point of sharing revenue if teams don't want to spend it?

It's not being afraid of the cost

If you have a good vetran RB.

Why would you let him go to sign a rookie to a overbloated contract, who has done nothing to prove he can perform on an NFL Level?

Because what? he has potential?

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

forget that

 

[joseephuss]

Thing that gets me is Troy was not 11.2 guaranteed. We are talking 30 mill guaranteed for a guy who has not done jack and this could become a costly mistake for the raiders if this guy does not live up to the billing and honestly I don't think he is that good. Thankfully this is the raiders and not the Cowboys

That is why you have to trust your scouting department, coaches and general manager. It would not matter who the Raiders picked, it is going to cost money for whomever was drafted in that slot. Same when Dallas drafted #1 overall in 1989. I agree in that I don't think Russell is going to be that good. I think he will be okay, but will not prove worth the #1 overall pick. That happens.

 

[aikemirv]

Any team that trades out of a pick that could yield an elite player because they are afraid of the cost needs to lose their franchise. What is the point of sharing revenue if teams don't want to spend it?

Well, anyone with half a brain knew that just because the salary cap went up did not mean that the teams were going to spend it. Revenue sharing did not mean that either, and that is why a lot of teams were not for it, like the Cowboys. I think there is more money available under Salary cap than ever before. Eventually it will trickle down but there are always going to be teams that are too cheap to spend it.

Oh, and the point is not to reward unproven rookies but to increase the salaries of the proven guys if you ask me!

Risk/ reward on the elite player idea. For a QB, I don't think it is a proper ratio. For a top flight RB, the risk/reward ratio is a bit better I would think
(no research, I just don't remember as many RB bust as QB). WR ratio just does not seem to be there either, lot of guys just not up to par there either.

Like I said, hopefully JJ and Romo are the real deal and we don't need a top 5 pick and trade down and get a couple very good players in the first by trading down with Clevelands pick ( if it is a very good one), keeping our first and getting a first in 2009 in exchange.

 

[Vintage]

You have to find a willing trade partner to trade down.

We didn't see that this year (a team with a top 5 pick) trading down.

Also worth noting, is we have extensions for Romo and Newman coming up soon. And it wont be too long before Ware needs one himself. That's going to be a lot of coin.

And we aren't a team void of talent either, like the usual top 5 picks such as the Lions, Raiders, etc. We have good money going to good players. Should be interesting to see how we fit this all under the cap.

 

[Doomsday101]

That's how it goes with a first round pick - it isn't like this is some weird off the wall deal. He's going to get what the first overall pick deserves. Trade out of the spot if you don't want the risk.

Deserve? I just don't think they deserve that given the fact they have not done jack. I'm sorry this may be the way it is but I think it is stupid to pay out this type of guaranteed money for someone who has yet to prove anything. In my book that is bad business.

 

[aikemirv]

You have to find a willing trade partner to trade down.

We didn't see that this year (a team with a top 5 pick) trading down.

Also worth noting, is we have extensions for Romo and Newman coming up soon. And it wont be too long before Ware needs one himself. That's going to be a lot of coin.

And we aren't a team void of talent either, like the usual top 5 picks such as the Lions, Raiders, etc. We have good money going to good players. Should be interesting to see how we fit this all under the cap.

You do have to have a willing partner, but I think a lot of teams just ask for too much to move down. Like i said, from a business perspective the risk/ reward ratio better be a positive one position and prospect wise, like a Manning or a Tomlinson ( I would guess Mcfadden fits in that range, I guess Calvin Johnson fits into that mold as well)) or I would move down.

 

[AbeBeta]

Deserve? I just don't think they deserve that given the fact they have not done jack. I'm sorry this may be the way it is but I think it is stupid to pay out this type of guaranteed money for someone who has yet to prove anything. In my book that is bad business.

Bad business in your book or not -- that's the going rate. Mario Williams got 26.5 Mill last year and the cap went up considerably since then. These guys do deserve the $$ - they put themselves in the position to be the first overall pick in the draft. Like it or not, the first overall pick earns a ton of $ without ever playing a down.

 

[Doomsday101]

Bad business in your book or not -- that's the going rate. Mario Williams got 26.5 Mill last year and the cap went up considerably since then. These guys do deserve the $$ - they put themselves in the position to be the first overall pick in the draft. Like it or not, the first overall pick earns a ton of $ without ever playing a down.

Your right I disagree with it and you because I don't think they deserve it because they have done nothing to earn it, what you did in college does not mean squat at this level and that is proven every year in the NFL. I understand the way it is that does not make it right. It is outrageous to being paying out money for guys who are more likely to be major bust than they are star players.

 

[aikemirv]

Your right I disagree with it and you because I don't think they deserve it because they have done nothing to earn it, what you did in college does not mean squat at this level and that is proven every year in the NFL. I understand the way it is that does not make it right. It is outrageous to being paying out money for guys who are more likely to be major bust than they are star players.

Yeah, I don't think there are really any positives at all for the NFL in paying that much money to rookies at all. It hurts the players developement, especially for a QB that really should sit at least a year before ever playing in the NFL IMO.

It hurts the salaries of the established players who don't get there rightful share of the dollars that they have actually earned and ....

It hurts the teams when this huge investment does not payoff and you have a bust.

It also probably in most cases really does not help the player themselves who is suddenly a multimillionare and has never had any money at all and has no clue how to handle it. And believe me, I say that for anyone, no matter how smart they are, at age 21 it would be very difficult dealing with that much money wisely.

There is a better way to do it and like someone said, it is one thing the NBA has done right.

 

[AbeBeta]

Your right I disagree with it and you because I don't think they deserve it because they have done nothing to earn it, what you did in college does not mean squat at this level and that is proven every year in the NFL. I understand the way it is that does not make it right. It is outrageous to being paying out money for guys who are more likely to be major bust than they are star players.

I take another perspective -- the NFL is the only major sports league that does not have guaranteed contracts -- that is, you cut a guy and you don't owe him a dime of what's left on his deal. So by that regard, a rookie who comes in and suffers a devastating injury that ends his career does not get the salaries from his contact in subsequent years. Similarly if you sign a guy to a deal with huge salaries and he's under performed, he can be cut and won't ever see the money.

Think of all the cuts and the years of deals that don't get paid out. That sort of situation saves NFL teams likely close to a billion dollars a year.

The trade off -- and one that the teams KNOW they have to make is that when you sign high picks and free agents that you have to guarantee part of the deal. That's a trade that I believe NFL owners gladly make. They want it this way. Is there risk? Sure. But overall, far less risk than having every deal guaranteed like in other sports.

 

[Doomsday101]

I take another perspective -- the NFL is the only major sports league that does not have guaranteed contracts -- that is, you cut a guy and you don't owe him a dime of what's left on his deal. So by that regard, a rookie who comes in and suffers a devastating injury that ends his career does not get the salaries from his contact in subsequent years. Similarly if you sign a guy to a deal with huge salaries and he's under performed, he can be cut and won't ever see the money.

Think of all the cuts and the years of deals that don't get paid out. That sort of situation saves NFL teams likely close to a billion dollars a year.

The trade off -- and one that the teams KNOW they have to make is that when you sign high picks and free agents that you have to guarantee part of the deal. That's a trade that I believe NFL owners gladly make. They want it this way. Is there risk? Sure. But overall, far less risk than having every deal guaranteed like in other sports.

From what I see this is 30 mill guaranteed and I just don't agree with it. I think eventually this rising salaries to player who have not proven anything at all will one day come back to haunt the NFL. I have lot less issues with proven players being paid big money because they have gone out and shown themselves to be quality NFL players while most rookies will never live up to their hype

 

[AbeBeta]

From what I see this is 30 mill guaranteed and I just don't agree with it. I think eventually this rising salaries to player who have not proven anything at all will one day come back to haunt the NFL. I have lot less issues with proven players being paid big money because they have gone out and shown themselves to be quality NFL players while most rookies will never live up to their hype

Proven players are getting paid as well -- so where is the problem. The first pick in the NBA draft gets 21 mill guaranteed -- and those rookie deals in the NBA are very very low money. Why shouldn't the #1 pick in the country's #1 sport get a bit more?

 

[Doomsday101]

Proven players are getting paid as well -- so where is the problem. The first pick in the NBA draft gets 21 mill guaranteed -- and those rookie deals in the NBA are very very low money. Why shouldn't the #1 pick in the country's #1 sport get a bit more?

I don't believe there is some endless money pit, these raising salaries will one day be the death of sports.