News: PFT: Report: Jerry Jones believes Goodell lied about Ezekiel Elliott

[Swanny]

If you believed Elliott was guilty of violating the Conduct Policy would you still want him to play?

On the contrary the NFL determined Elliot violated the Personal Conduct Policy.

Goodell lead investigator believes EE didn't violate the PCP BUT Goodell went against it anyways. I think it's clear this is Goodell trying to make up for the botched Ray Rice mess.

 

[Bullflop]

its fun when billionaires are mad...

Yep -- it's an entertainment form you can't get just anywhere!

 

[Diehardblues]

What is is about Garrett that you love? Just curious.

I love that he’s an explayer from the Jimmy era, that his father was a scout under Landry. That connection to our greatest eras means a lot to me . The fact he’s chosen to stay here and see this thru when he had offers to Atlanta and Baltimore.

I love how he took over that night in the Meadowlands at our lowest point in Jerry era . I love how he held our team together after the death of one of our players . I love his demeanor on and off the field.

Garrett provides me some pride and respect to our franchise when it couldn’t have needed it more under the embarrassing leadership of Jerry. He provides me hope someone can mesh with and influence Jerry enough to overcome his poor football instincts with a more consistent contender much like Landry provided over much of 4 decades. Not that I’m comparing his abilities to Tom but his demeanor and stability.

This doesn’t mean Garrett is a great coach but since Jerry won’t allow a greater coaching staff and front office I need something to believe in and have pride with in order to keep my interest.

Last year winning Coach of Year provides me some faith Garrett was headed in the right direction being recognized. I know the process has been slow but I credit most of that to Jerry’s poor risk which have slowed the rebuild on defense and Romo’s injuries dictating going another direction.

As much as I’ve aligned myself with my fellow local critics of Jerry I’ve been very supportive of him staying by Jason’s side regardless of his interior motives to do so.

I’m not sure if Garrett will lead us to the promise land but I do believe he can lead us to the brink which is more or as much hope as I’ve had the last couple of Decades. I had some hope with Parcells but that was another example of the demons which must be overcome which Garrett appears to have the perfect disposition for.

 

[lspain1]

Donestic Violence violation is part of the Personal Conduct Policy much like drugs , etc all are.

Diehard, first, let me say I too am a "more seasoned" Cowboys fan . And, I very much get your point that Jerry Jones has been over the years...frequently....a loose cannon and a detriment to the team's success. I get all of that and I agree with it.

That said, I completely disagree with your stance on the Elliot situation. There is a world of difference between Ray Rice's violation of the conduct policy (where the violation is on video and clear as day) and Elliot's violation where there is a whole lot of smoke and much "he said, she said." Additionally, drug violations involve testing and through testing over time a pattern of behavior can be established and confirmed. That pattern here has not been established...and so what should be done? You set up an investigative team to establish facts and credibility and make a determination based upon that investigation. In this case as commissioner do you listen to your investigative team....or do you decide to ignore your own team and make an example of a player regardless of the your team's recommendation? Which course is more credible? Your answer to this question seems obvious and while I understand your position....I cannot agree.

Now....it's very clear which course Jerry thought was correct...and I suspect Jerry also knows all of the facts (all of them that can be known) surrounding this situation. He has not been outspoken like this on other discipline situations where Cowboys players were involved. While I understand your skepticism brought about by Jerry's past behavior, I do not think that skepticism is warranted in this situation.

To sum up I don't agree with your assessment of the Elliot case....and I don't agree with your dismissing Jerry's defense of Elliot and his condemnation of Goodell.

 

[Diehardblues]

To Diehardblues, due to society in general there are probably very few players that are worth drafting then. Most of these athletes have character flaws some of which includes a "rap" sheet. Following your logic guys like La'El Collins would not be with the team, Tyron Smith would not be with the team, Irvin would have never been a cowboy.

You’d need to know my history with sports to have a better understanding . I grew up in a football family. My father played at the college level and my Uncle was a star in college and a role player in NFL briefly as it didn’t afford him long to play with injuries he incurred. They both went on to be Boosters at their Alma Maters and created an insurance business. Some of their clients were athletes. I’ve been around athletes all my life. As a kid met many of the Cowboys in 60’s and 70’s.

In 1989 the year after my fathers sudden death I bought my first season tickets and dove into the Cowboys traveling with the newly created Cowboys Travel Club. It was a great opportunity to get up close to the players and staff as my father and uncle had exposed me to early on. Then the success that followed was one of the greatest experiences I’ve had in my life. It defintely helped me mourn thru losing my best friend and Cowboy companion who’d had season tickets taking me to Cowboy games since the Cotton Bowl.

My father was very outspoken on recruiting these problem type athletes regardless of their freakish talents . He felt it took opportunities away from kids who would represent the school in a more respectful way. And if all schools promoted the same concept and integrity they could still be competitive .

Bottom line is College and NFL can not only survive but prosper without this 1% problem talent to have success. And I’ve followed my fathers convictions in lobbying against these type of athletes and expose the greed by those who continue to make exceptions for shortcuts to success with their talent . I understand there’s a certain element of behavior that must be tolerated but we all draw our lines in the sand.

 

[jrumann59]

You’d need to know my history with sports to have a better understanding . I grew up in a football family. My father played at the college level and my Uncle was a star in college and a role player in NFL briefly as it didn’t afford him long to play with injuries he incurred. They both went on to be Boosters at their Alma Maters and created an insurance business. Some of their clients were athletes. I’ve been around athletes all my life. As a kid met many of the Cowboys in 60’s and 70’s.

In 1989 the year after my fathers sudden death I bought my first season tickets and dove into the Cowboys traveling with the newly created Cowboys Travel Club. It was a great opportunity to get up close to the players and staff as my father and uncle had exposed me to early on. Then the success that followed was one of the greatest experiences I’ve had in my life. It defintely helped me mourn thru losing my best friend and Cowboy companion who’d had season tickets taking me to Cowboy games since the Cotton Bowl.

My father was very outspoken on recruiting these problem type athletes regardless of their freakish talents . He felt it took opportunities away from kids who would represent the school in a more respectful way. And if all schools promoted the same concept and integrity they could still be competitive .

Bottom line is College and NFL can not only survive but prosper without this 1% problem talent to have success. And I’ve followed my fathers convictions in lobbying against these type of athletes and expose the greed by those who continue to make exceptions for shortcuts to success with their talent . I understand there’s a certain element of behavior that must be tolerated but we all draw our lines in the sand.

That is all well and good but now due to many things that 1% is much higher now. Look at the current Cowboys, they have had what 3 guys this year serving a suspension Moore, Irving, Gregory, throw Zeke and Wilson in and now we are at 5 of 53. Start adding names to guys that have had past transgressions like Scandrick, Lawrence we are now to 7 out of 53 that is 13% of your roster. These are the guys we know about who knows what some of these guys may have done in their past before they were "famous"

 

[diefree666]

I love that he’s an explayer from the Jimmy era, that his father was a scout under Landry. That connection to our greatest eras means a lot to me . The fact he’s chosen to stay here and see this thru when he had offers to Atlanta and Baltimore.

I love how he took over that night in the Meadowlands at our lowest point in Jerry era . I love how he held our team together after the death of one of our players . I love his demeanor on and off the field.

Garrett provides me some pride and respect to our franchise when it couldn’t have needed it more under the embarrassing leadership of Jerry. He provides me hope someone can mesh with and influence Jerry enough to overcome his poor football instincts with a more consistent contender much like Landry provided over much of 4 decades. Not that I’m comparing his abilities to Tom but his demeanor and stability.

This doesn’t mean Garrett is a great coach but since Jerry won’t allow a greater coaching staff and front office I need something to believe in and have pride with in order to keep my interest.

Last year winning Coach of Year provides me some faith Garrett was headed in the right direction being recognized. I know the process has been slow but I credit most of that to Jerry’s poor risk which have slowed the rebuild on defense and Romo’s injuries dictating going another direction.

As much as I’ve aligned myself with my fellow local critics of Jerry I’ve been very supportive of him staying by Jason’s side regardless of his interior motives to do so.

I’m not sure if Garrett will lead us to the promise land but I do believe he can lead us to the brink which is more or as much hope as I’ve had the last couple of Decades. I had some hope with Parcells but that was another example of the demons which must be overcome which Garrett appears to have the perfect disposition for.

harping on garrets background is absolutely meaningless. Just like your arrogance that you have been a so called fan for so long makes you special and thus we should all listen to you. NOT.

 

[Diehardblues]

That is all well and good but now due to many things that 1% is much higher now. Look at the current Cowboys, they have had what 3 guys this year serving a suspension Moore, Irving, Gregory, throw Zeke and Wilson in and now we are at 5 of 53. Start adding names to guys that have had past transgressions like Scandrick, Lawrence we are now to 7 out of 53 that is 13% of your roster. These are the guys we know about who knows what some of these guys may have done in their past before they were "famous"

True. While the overall average of suspended players hovers around 1% the Cowboys have been leading this category with a much higher percentage which I’ve been very outspoken and critical on.

The risk we’ve been taking on some of these problem athletes has IMO slowed our rebuilding or process especially on defense.

It’s one thing if a player becomes a problem but when you pursue them with a history of problems your inviting issues which has raised red flags in the NFL even receiving fines and I believe influenced the pursuit of suspending Elliot.

The NFL needs to send a message to teams, their owners, GM and HC that if you continue to pursue these type of athletes and harbor them we’re going to come down hard in an attempt to deter.

 

[TheHerd]

So you believe you’re entitled and the rest of us under “50” crowd don’t matter. See you sit there with your chest puffed out with your “aligning” stance like it’s the only intelligent stance, and yet here you are looking foolish.

Hey, don't go corralling all us over 50 crowd in with this thinking!

 

[CATCH17]

True. While the overall average of suspended players hovers around 1% the Cowboys have been leading this category with a much higher percentage which I’ve been very outspoken and critical on.

The risk we’ve been taking on some of these problem athletes has IMO slowed our rebuilding or process especially on defense.

It’s one thing if a player becomes a problem but when you pursue them with a history of problems your inviting issues which has raised red flags in the NFL even receiving fines and I believe influenced the pursuit of suspending Elliot.

The NFL needs to send a message to teams and owners, GM and HC that if you continue to pursue these type of athletes and harbor then we’re going to come down hard in an attempt to deter.

The NFL didn't say that though. They called this DV. The things Elliott was getting in trouble for amounted to nothing so if you're right then they had to go out of their way to pin something on him to get him suspended and they chose domestic violence of all things.

The NFL is not bigger then the owners.. They are there because of the owners. They work for the Owners. So they better not go out of the way to attack their own product unless it's warranted and the whole Zeke thing was a bunch of nonsense.

They should've just gave him a game or 2 for offseason misconduct but they chose Domestic Violence and 6 games. Stupid.

 

[Diehardblues]

The NFL didn't say that though. They called this DV. The things Elliott was getting in trouble for amounted to nothing so if you're right then they had to go out of their way to pin something on him to get him suspended and they chose domestic violence of all things.

The NFL is not bigger then the owners.. They are there because of the owners. They work for the Owners. So they better not go out of the way to attack their own product unless it's warranted and the whole Zeke thing was a bunch of nonsense.

They should've just gave him a game or 2 for offseason misconduct but they chose Domestic Violence and 6 games. Stupid.

They can’t come out and say that and his other incidents on their own merit weren’t enough to draw a suspension while they did present a perception the kid is either stupid and immature or feels he’s above the law.

The NFL has a problem owner who continues to pursue and harbor a greater percentage of players who recieve suspensions.

What would you do if you’re attempting to deter an owner and personal conduct like this?

Personally I would have been satisfied with NFL suspending Jerry instead of Elliott to send a message .

 

[CATCH17]

They can’t come out and say that and his other incidents on their own merit weren’t enough to draw a suspension while they did present a perception the kid is either stupid and immature or feels he’s above the law.

The NFL has a problem owner who continues to pursue and harbor a greater percentage of players who recieve suspensions.

What would you do if you’re attempting to deter an owner and personal conduct like this?

We're not that bad compared to other teams.

Your focus is too hard on the Cowboys.

We had a bad offseason for sure but in general the Cowboys are towards the bottom of the league with players in legal trouble.

"Harboring" a few guys isn't so bad and our bad guys aren't even bad people they are just immature 20 year olds doing stupid knucklehead stuff.

 

[Diehardblues]

We're not that bad compared to other teams.

Your focus is too hard on the Cowboys.

We had a bad offseason for sure but in general the Cowboys are towards the bottom of the league with players in legal trouble.

"Harboring" a few guys isn't so bad and our bad guys aren't even bad people they are just immature 20 year olds doing stupid knucklehead stuff.

We're not that bad compared to other teams.

Your focus is too hard on the Cowboys.

We had a bad offseason for sure but in general the Cowboys are towards the bottom of the league with players in legal trouble.

"Harboring" a few guys isn't so bad and our bad guys aren't even bad people they are just immature 20 year olds doing stupid knucklehead stuff.

We have been leading the league in suspended players since Personal Conduct Policy was implemented. And why we were fined last year.

Would we be defending these players if they weren’t Cowboys?

 

[CowboyStar88]

Hey, don't go corralling all us over 50 crowd in with this thinking!

Oh by no means am I. He made that statement, and I am just using it against him.

 

[MileyDancer]

He did. That's why Jerry is beyond PISSED and told Goodell, "you better get your resignation ready."

 

[CCBoy]

The worse part of this all, is that it is no longer any problem to sell a conspiracy theory to a Cowboys fan!

 

[Redball Express]

Report: Jerry Jones believes Goodell lied about Ezekiel Elliott

...

But the it’s-just-business approach has a very real personal element to it. According to Clarence E. Hill, Jr. of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, Jones believes that Goodell lied about the question of whether running back Ezekiel Elliott would be suspended. Specifically, Jones believes Goodell said Elliott would not be suspended.

Per Hill, Jones views the situation as an “unforgivable breach of trust.”

Jones has publicly commented on several occasions about the Elliott suspension, arguing that the situation results from a flawed internal disciplinary process that emerged from an overreaction to the Ray Rice mess. More than three years later, this new mess could end up being just as messy, if not messier.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-believes-goodell-lied-about-ezekiel-elliott/

I knew something was really up when they postponed Zeke's suspension decision until AFTER Jerrah was inducted to the HofF.

If the above is true and Goodell coughed when he told Jerrah no suspension..

this is going to be serious going forward.

A marque team like Dallas being treated this way is going to cause ripples like we can't imagine.

Jerrah..

just start your own league and take the Cowboys and any other team that wants to leave.

Take the TV contract and compete with the NFL.

Let's get it on.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I love that he’s an explayer from the Jimmy era, that his father was a scout under Landry. That connection to our greatest eras means a lot to me . The fact he’s chosen to stay here and see this thru when he had offers to Atlanta and Baltimore.

I love how he took over that night in the Meadowlands at our lowest point in Jerry era . I love how he held our team together after the death of one of our players . I love his demeanor on and off the field.

Garrett provides me some pride and respect to our franchise when it couldn’t have needed it more under the embarrassing leadership of Jerry. He provides me hope someone can mesh with and influence Jerry enough to overcome his poor football instincts with a more consistent contender much like Landry provided over much of 4 decades. Not that I’m comparing his abilities to Tom but his demeanor and stability.

This doesn’t mean Garrett is a great coach but since Jerry won’t allow a greater coaching staff and front office I need something to believe in and have pride with in order to keep my interest.

Last year winning Coach of Year provides me some faith Garrett was headed in the right direction being recognized. I know the process has been slow but I credit most of that to Jerry’s poor risk which have slowed the rebuild on defense and Romo’s injuries dictating going another direction.

As much as I’ve aligned myself with my fellow local critics of Jerry I’ve been very supportive of him staying by Jason’s side regardless of his interior motives to do so.

I’m not sure if Garrett will lead us to the promise land but I do believe he can lead us to the brink which is more or as much hope as I’ve had the last couple of Decades. I had some hope with Parcells but that was another example of the demons which must be overcome which Garrett appears to have the perfect disposition for.

 

[haleyrules]

Goodell lead investigator believes EE didn't violate the PCP BUT Goodell went against it anyways. I think it's clear this is Goodell trying to make up for the botched Ray Rice mess.

Goodell???

 

[Shake_Tiller]

You’d need to know my history with sports to have a better understanding . I grew up in a football family. My father played at the college level and my Uncle was a star in college and a role player in NFL briefly as it didn’t afford him long to play with injuries he incurred. They both went on to be Boosters at their Alma Maters and created an insurance business. Some of their clients were athletes. I’ve been around athletes all my life. As a kid met many of the Cowboys in 60’s and 70’s.

In 1989 the year after my fathers sudden death I bought my first season tickets and dove into the Cowboys traveling with the newly created Cowboys Travel Club. It was a great opportunity to get up close to the players and staff as my father and uncle had exposed me to early on. Then the success that followed was one of the greatest experiences I’ve had in my life. It defintely helped me mourn thru losing my best friend and Cowboy companion who’d had season tickets taking me to Cowboy games since the Cotton Bowl.

My father was very outspoken on recruiting these problem type athletes regardless of their freakish talents . He felt it took opportunities away from kids who would represent the school in a more respectful way. And if all schools promoted the same concept and integrity they could still be competitive .

Bottom line is College and NFL can not only survive but prosper without this 1% problem talent to have success. And I’ve followed my fathers convictions in lobbying against these type of athletes and expose the greed by those who continue to make exceptions for shortcuts to success with their talent . I understand there’s a certain element of behavior that must be tolerated but we all draw our lines in the sand.

I suppose I qualify as a seasoned fan. The first game I recall in detail is the Ice Bowl. I revere Coach Landry. A letter from him is a prized possession.

But let us recall that the Cowboys drafted Duane Thomas knowing of his problems at West Texas State and acquired Lance Rental knowing of his problems at Minnesota. Joe Don Meredith was a noted partier. Walt Garrison writes that it was a Cowboys tradition to get each of the rookies drunk the night before a game. Thomas Henderson was a known draft risk. Harvey Martin had demons beyond those proven of Elliott. Pete Gent. Rafael Septien. John Niland. The Landry/Brandt/Schramm regime drafted Irvin. Craig Morton was no choirboy.

I do not romanticize the past. There were many problem players, and they were not all summarily cut.

Beyond all of this, one does not "punish" another for a crime of which there is no proof. And I can't fathom celebrating such an outcome. I simply cannot fathom it.