PFT: Rumors Fly That Reid is on His Way Out

[iceberg]

I kind of hate to hear this. Andy Reid is one of the really good guys in the NFL. I can't stand his team, but the man is a great football coach and a better human being. Maybe he feels his sons need to leave the Philly area where they've stumbled on bad influences? Who knows. It is a shame that a good guy has to go through this.

i agree. but i also feel his family is more important and he can't "need" the money. his sons have nice cars but not "italian" if you know what i mean. : ) he's always been a class guy and done a hell of a job for that franchise.

i think it would be a very tough call for him to make but i could see where after he made it he would be relieved beyond measure and can focus on family w/o newspaper disturbances every day.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

How long before the Sign Mcnabb to back up Romo stuff starts .....

I vote they be banned from the site!

 

[Crown Royal]

I kind of hate to hear this. Andy Reid is one of the really good guys in the NFL. I can't stand his team, but the man is a great football coach and a better human being. Maybe he feels his sons need to leave the Philly area where they've stumbled on bad influences? Who knows. It is a shame that a good guy has to go through this.

My sentiments exactly. I hate the Eagles as a team, but that franchise has my utmost respect. Andy Reid is a great coach and human being, and I love what they have done, when I take my Cowboys goggles off. It's tough that any father would have to go through this.

 

[Idgit]

I kind of hate to hear this. Andy Reid is one of the really good guys in the NFL. I can't stand his team, but the man is a great football coach and a better human being. Maybe he feels his sons need to leave the Philly area where they've stumbled on bad influences? Who knows. It is a shame that a good guy has to go through this.

Harsh, because everything I've ever heard about Reid is that he's a *very* good person, but I do wonder what level of inattention to his family life had to have been going on for things to get to these straits. Heroin addictions don't exactly sneak up on people. They're typically the nasty tail at the end of a long line of bad decisions.

I know his boys are young adults at this point, but with his money and his history of success, he could have taken a leave of absence from a job that necessarily keeps him away from his family entirely during a time of need. It's not like the guy wouldn't have a coaching job in a heartbeat next year if he came back when his house was in order.

This is not to say he's not a good person, but I'm not scratching my head as to why his family is going through this. It's pretty clear where his priorities have been.

 

[1fisher]

dunno about that but he's been a damn good coach for the eagles. that said, if his sons need that much attention and he can't focus, maybe he should step down.

I definitely agree with that comment. He's been very good for that org.

 

[theebs]

Harsh, because everything I've ever heard about Reid is that he's a *very* good person, but I do wonder what level of inattention to his family life had to have been going on for things to get to these straits. Heroin addictions don't exactly sneak up on people. They're typically the nasty tail at the end of a long line of bad decisions.

I know his boys are young adults at this point, but with his money and his history of success, he could have taken a leave of absence from a job that necessarily keeps him away from his family entirely during a time of need. It's not like the guy wouldn't have a coaching job in a heartbeat next year if he came back when his house was in order.

This is not to say he's not a good person, but I'm not scratching my head as to why his family is going through this. It's pretty clear where his priorities have been.

I dont think thats a fair assesment.

He did take a leave of absence this spring. I think he thought they had straightened out the problems. Also sounds to me like you are blaming him for his sons problems who are in their 20s? That seems even more unfair.

Andy reid is not only the head coach but the president of football operations, there are guys like tom heckert who are above him that he has all the power over.

Andy reid runs the eagles with joe banner.

I dont think he would ever quit because I would be willing to bet lurie and banner would let him leave at some point to straighten things out and then let him back.

I just dont believe he is going anywhere. Maybe when the season is over he gives up his vice president duties and is not as involved in the draft and offseason and then comes back in the summer.

Unless his sons are in life threatening situaitons right now I just dont see him walking away, I certainly do not think losing would make him do it.

 

[TunaFan33]

He did take a leave of absence this spring. I think he thought they had straightened out the problems. Also sounds to me like you are blaming him for his sons problems who are in their 20s? That seems even more unfair.

Problem is that they KEEP getting into trouble-it wasn't like they got caught once, and learned their lesson.

 

[AsthmaField]

All this reminds me:

Where IS Phoenix-Talon anyway? I just haven't seen him around much lately.

Funny how that works, isn't it?

 

[theebs]

Problem is that they KEEP getting into trouble-it wasn't like they got caught once, and learned their lesson.

where did I say they didnt?

How much can andy reid really do about it. I am sure he is doing all he can right now.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

i agree. but i also feel his family is more important and he can't "need" the money. his sons have nice cars but not "italian" if you know what i mean. : ) he's always been a class guy and done a hell of a job for that franchise.

i think it would be a very tough call for him to make but i could see where after he made it he would be relieved beyond measure and can focus on family w/o newspaper disturbances every day.

What you gots aginst Italians? I'm Italian?

 

[Idgit]

I dont think thats a fair assesment.

He did take a leave of absence this spring. I think he thought they had straightened out the problems. Also sounds to me like you are blaming him for his sons problems who are in their 20s? That seems even more unfair.

Andy reid is not only the head coach but the president of football operations, there are guys like tom heckert who are above him that he has all the power over.

Andy reid runs the eagles with joe banner.

I dont think he would ever quit because I would be willing to bet lurie and banner would let him leave at some point to straighten things out and then let him back.

I just dont believe he is going anywhere. Maybe when the season is over he gives up his vice president duties and is not as involved in the draft and offseason and then comes back in the summer.

Unless his sons are in life threatening situaitons right now I just dont see him walking away, I certainly do not think losing would make him do it.

I don't know how fair the assessment is. Fair's not really what I was aiming for. It does seem clear that the parents in that household were overmatched and have been for some time. The kids are adults now, but they were minors during his recent tenure, and he's been in a position for a long time to take as much time as he needed to straighten out his family and for whatever reason he chose not to do it. The leave of absence this spring was closing the barn door on an empty barn, clearly.

Again, this isn't to say he's not a great guy--I'll take the word of the press on this because I know they are accurate and impartial. He just appears to be an inattentive and/or ineffective parent.

 

[Idgit]

What you gots aginst Italians? I'm Italian?

Very efficient: asked and answered.

 

[Hostile]

I don't know how fair the assessment is. Fair's not really what I was aiming for. It does seem clear that the parents in that household were overmatched and have been for some time. The kids are adults now, but they were minors during his recent tenure, and he's been in a position for a long time to take as much time as he needed to straighten out his family and for whatever reason he chose not to do it. The leave of absence this spring was closing the barn door on an empty barn, clearly.

Again, this isn't to say he's not a great guy--I'll take the word of the press on this because I know they are accurate and impartial. He just appears to be an inattentive and/or ineffective parent.

You don't need to take the media's word for it if you wish. You can take mine. He's a great guy.

Regarding his kids, they can go wrong no matter what level of attention given. In the end we all have our own free will as the Rush song says. They aren't the first kids with loving parents who tried drugs. They won't be the last.

My brother and sister were raised in the exact same house I was. They've gone down paths I never would have. It has as much to do with their friends and their choices as it does with my Mom.

 

[03EBZ06]

Regarding his kids, they can go wrong no matter what level of attention given. In the end we all have our own free will as the Rush song says. They aren't the first kids with loving parents who tried drugs. They won't be the last.

My brother and sister were raised in the exact same house I was. They've gone down paths I never would have. It has as much to do with their friends and their choices as it does with my Mom.

Exactly.

I have two teens, one is senior in HS and another one is a Freshman in college. I like to think we did a good job of raising them, they are straight A student and never got in trouble and respectful of us but once they leave the house, I no longer have much of control of them and I could only hope that our upbringing of them will prevent them from making bad decisions.

As all of us goes through teen stage, peers are dominant part of their life, not parents and they are going to do whatever their peers are doing, in many cases, even though they were taught that those things they are about to do is wrong.

 

[BBQ101]

You don't need to take the media's word for it if you wish. You can take mine. He's a great guy.

Regarding his kids, they can go wrong no matter what level of attention given. In the end we all have our own free will as the Rush song says. They aren't the first kids with loving parents who tried drugs. They won't be the last.

My brother and sister were raised in the exact same house I was. They've gone down paths I never would have. It has as much to do with their friends and their choices as it does with my Mom.

You are right, kids can go wrong no matter what level of attention is given. But the more time you spend with them the better chance they have. Being an NFL coach is a crazy job as far as how much time you have to put in. I don't see how coaches do it with kids that still live in the house. I don't pretend to know what Reids family life at home is, but I think he bears some responsibility for the way his kids are acting. They havn't been outta his house for very long.

Also to the point on your siblings acting differnly and taking differnt paths. My wife has a younger brother that has been a pretty good screw up for a while (actually might have thigns on the right track now). Her parents were a lot less involved with him than with her, and it shows. That boy got away with a heck of alot when he was in his Highschool years. Stuff they would never let her get away with and will never fly in our household as our kids grow. I think that has a ton to do with the decisions he has made since he has been out of the house.

BBQ

 

[1fisher]

it's also possible that a dad can work ALL the time and not spend time with his children, physically and verbally abuse his wife, be an alcoholic and his children turn out just fine.

I know this from experience. I just described my dad. Both of my brothers are preachers and I'm active in the church where I attend. Our childhood experiences made us stronger as adults.

It all boils down to the choices we make. I decided a LONG time ago that I would not take the route my dad took and I'm better for it today!

 

[Hostile]

You are right, kids can go wrong no matter what level of attention is given. But the more time you spend with them the better chance they have. Being an NFL coach is a crazy job as far as how much time you have to put in. I don't see how coaches do it with kids that still live in the house. I don't pretend to know what Reids family life at home is, but I think he bears some responsibility for the way his kids are acting. They havn't been outta his house for very long.

Also to the point on your siblings acting differnly and taking differnt paths. My wife has a younger brother that has been a pretty good screw up for a while (actually might have thigns on the right track now). Her parents were a lot less involved with him than with her, and it shows. That boy got away with a heck of alot when he was in his Highschool years. Stuff they would never let her get away with and will never fly in our household as our kids grow. I think that has a ton to do with the decisions he has made since he has been out of the house.

BBQ

I don't deny that time and attention help. It is why my wife is a stay at home Mom rather than out earnign more money for us. She would very much like to own and run her own Christian book store, but she won't until our kids are out of the house.

One reason why my hobby is this site is so that I am home at night rather than out with the guys.

I don't believe the paths Reid's sons went down has anything to do with him. It is ultimately their choices. A good example is Tony Dungy's son. No one can tell me that his son wasn't loved. Yet he still chose to take his own life. Every person is driven by their own free will. Parents are just a handy scapegoat when things go badly.

My dad is not a role model. I believe I am. I am because he wasn't. I don't use the bad breaks of my childhood as an excuse to be a jerk. That part just comes naturally. :

Anyone can learn from bad examples just as easily as from good examples. I did it and I'm not special in any way, shape, or form. It's about want to. I wanted to be the husband to my wife that my dad never was. I wanted to be the Father to my kids that my dad never was. Don't get me wrong, I love him, but he wasn't there. I didn't go down those paths because I didn't want to. My brother did. Reid's sons did. His other kids might not. It is about their want to, not his role as their Father.

JMO. No one has to agree if they don't want to. Just sharing.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Man - Dallas is on top of the division, the Eagles are at the bottom again.

It's like the good old days.

Ah... reminds me of......


Welcome back,
Your dreams were your ticket out.

Welcome back,
To that same old place that you laughed about.

Well the names have all changed since you hung around,
But those dreams have remained and they're turned around.

Who'd have thought he'd lead ya (Who'd have thought he'd lead ya)
Here where we need ya (Here where we need ya)

Yeah we tease him a lot cause we've hot him on the spot, welcome back,
Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back.

 

[Idgit]

You don't need to take the media's word for it if you wish. You can take mine. He's a great guy.

Regarding his kids, they can go wrong no matter what level of attention given. In the end we all have our own free will as the Rush song says. They aren't the first kids with loving parents who tried drugs. They won't be the last.

My brother and sister were raised in the exact same house I was. They've gone down paths I never would have. It has as much to do with their friends and their choices as it does with my Mom.

I'm going to back off here, b/c I don't know the particulars in Reid's family and I'm making suppositions and generalizations that I believe are true, but may not apply in this particular. Plus, I'd never argue with Neil Peart.

I will say that being a loving parent and being an effective parent aren't necessarily the same thing.

 

[Hostile]

I'm going to back off here, b/c I don't know the particulars in Reid's family and I'm making suppositions and generalizations that I believe are true, but may not apply in this particular. Plus, I'd never argue with Neil Peart.

I will say that being a loving parent and being an effective parent aren't necessarily the same thing.

You don't need to back off, and I totally agree with that last part.