PFW annual player rankings and predictions.

[jterrell]

How in God's name can you throw numbers out the window when ranking players?

Hey I dont need numbers when I rank hot chicks.
I look at this list in much the same light.

Its just a "who pfw finds fooftballsexy list" and is rather meaningless to the rest of us.

Rankings can either be based purely on last season's performance or on what is expected this season. Anything else is just a beauty pageant imho. And from the comments this is just a pageant.

TO is a top 10 guy if he misses 4 games with injury. BP antagonized him(not necessarily unfairly as he was making 10 mil) into playing on pain meds with a bad hand. He put up great numbers!

Romo is just as well known a QB commodity as Matt Leinhart, Jay Cutler, Vince Young. Only Young came close to matching him for wins. Based on overall QB play none were close. Unless you are one of the many haters down-grading him because of his newfound celebrity status and starlet-dating you are pretty much ignorant to rate him below 10. He made the Pro Bowl last year and now will have an offense built around him this year and maintains two great Vet WRs.

 

[Vintage]

Actually, VY exceeded Romo in wins.

VY went 8-5 as a starter. Romo went 6-4 as a starter (and 0-1 in the playoffs)

So Romo came close to matching VY in wins; not vice versa.

 

[jterrell]

Actually, VY exceeded Romo in wins.

VY went 8-5 as a starter. Romo went 6-4 as a starter (and 0-1 in the playoffs)

So Romo came close to matching VY in wins; not vice versa.

VY got his first start against Dallas....

And Romo made a Pro Bowl while VY(who i really like btw) put up a QB rating in the 60s.

Further, anyone with a modicum of a brain would rank Romo higher based on expected performance because the Titans have no WRs and a middling running game.

If you add in VY's rushing TDs and yards rushing with his passing he still did not produce like Romo. VY has a bright, bright future but it is not this year with that offense around him.

 

[burmafrd]

romo had a better team around him. that certainly is a factor. But you have to give props to VY for making the plays.

 

[Stash]

romo had a better team around him. that certainly is a factor. But you have to give props to VY for making the plays.

Most definitely.

I think Vince Young exceeded the expectations most had for him - and that's to his credit.

That said, his actual quarterback numbers were not great.

He won with a lot of 'sandlot heroics' and spectacular, highlight-reel plays.

But ask Mike Vick if you can rely on those plays to win games consistantly.

And Young's front office in Tennessee sure didn't do him any favors letting his running back and receivers leave town.

 

[HanfordDixon]

He also has a history of dominating the league. He is without question a top 5 receiver over the last ten years. On top of that he led the league in TDs last season, produced 1,100+ yards and 85 catches.

PFW gives little weight to what a player accomplished three years ago, or five years ago. Again, it's not my rankings.

You people need to try to understand and address the points made. And stop continuously repearting TO's stats. I know his stats. I watched every single catch. I know what kind of player he was last year in every single game.

Once again, he is 33. He led the league in drops. He is a team distraction. Very few of his TD catches were at big moments. He had poor games in Dallas' biggest games.

Address these points or stop making posts. I am well aware of his positives. So are PFW. That is why they weighed them against TO's negatives and ranked him very high at 13th.

Just for the hell of it we shall consider the possibility of his finger injury and subtract half of his drops last season. (17/2=8.5) He would then rank #4 (93.5) in receptions instead of #13. He is without question a top 10 receiver. You on the other hand I do question whether you are actually a Cowboys fan. You present opinion and tell us to ignore the facts. Your logic seems very bias.

That's called an excuse, dude. My goodness, you can't make up your own reality. He is ranked based on what he did, not what you wish he did.

Talk about bias. You people can't seem to look beyond statistics. Do you really think the top ten RBs in rushing yards are the top 10 running backs? I appreciate that PFW recognizes that not all statistics are created equal.

If you have one QB who threw 75% of his 35 TDs passes in blowouts for a 4-12 team, he should be ranked higher than Vince Young -- who threw 12 TDs/13 INTs while leading an awful team to several thrilling wins and an 8-5 record. Not on performance anyway.

Who gives a crap about a guy who scored three TDs in a 42-21 loss? How much value did that performance have?

 

[HanfordDixon]

On top of it all, you're biased raging hypocrites. You cry incessantly about Javon Walker -- who had "only" 8 TDs to Owens' 13.

Yet how come not one person here is pissed about Terence Newman being ranked No. 2 CB???

Don't you think there are about a thousand Raider fans (and other teams) saying "Nashadi had 8 INTs. Newman had ONE INTERCEPTION! What a joke. PFW obviously sucks up to the Cowboys. What a bunch of clowns!"

Yet nobody here seems to be all that upset that Newman is ranked the second-best CB in the NFL despite just 1 INT in 2006.

You need to look at the big picture, understand the full criteria, and respect what PFW has created. They know what they are talking about. It's a shame to see a bunch of homers blindly refuse to understand this valuable resource

 

[Stash]

He also has a history of dominating the league. He is without question a top 5 receiver over the last ten years. On top of that he led the league in TDs last season, produced 1,100+ yards and 85 catches.

PFW gives little weight to what a player accomplished three years ago, or five years ago. Again, it's not my rankings.

You people need to try to understand and address the points made. And stop continuously repearting TO's stats. I know his stats. I watched every single catch. I know what kind of player he was last year in every single game.

Once again, he is 33. He led the league in drops. He is a team distraction. Very few of his TD catches were at big moments. He had poor games in Dallas' biggest games.

Address these points or stop making posts. I am well aware of his positives. So are PFW. That is why they weighed them against TO's negatives and ranked him very high at 13th.

Just for the hell of it we shall consider the possibility of his finger injury and subtract half of his drops last season. (17/2=8.5) He would then rank #4 (93.5) in receptions instead of #13. He is without question a top 10 receiver. You on the other hand I do question whether you are actually a Cowboys fan. You present opinion and tell us to ignore the facts. Your logic seems very bias.

That's called an excuse, dude. My goodness, you can't make up your own reality. He is ranked based on what he did, not what you wish he did.

Talk about bias. You people can't seem to look beyond statistics. Do you really think the top ten RBs in rushing yards are the top 10 running backs? I appreciate that PFW recognizes that not all statistics are created equal.

If you have one QB who threw 75% of his 35 TDs passes in blowouts for a 4-12 team, he should be ranked higher than Vince Young -- who threw 12 TDs/13 INTs while leading an awful team to several thrilling wins and an 8-5 record. Not on performance anyway.

Who gives a crap about a guy who scored three TDs in a 42-21 loss? How much value did that performance have?

So, I guess it's somehow Owens' or Romo's fault that the Cowboys defense gets shredded and gives up more points than they scored, right Bizarro?

What a moron.

Keep your imaginary criteria to yourself!

:zipit:

It - like you - is a joke.

 

[HanfordDixon]

Romo played in 10.5 games. VY played in 12. that 1.5 games is the difference in showing enough and not showing enough?

Ok.

Pay attention, I didn't say that. Romo was an undrafted free agent from a small school. Sorry, but he's going to have to show more than 10 games of terrific play to earn the check mark for "rising player."

Young was a college superstar and the third pick in the draft. It's understandable that PFW has more confidence moving forward that Young can improve on his performance while being a little more hesitant with Romo.

Tony just has to continue to prove people wrong. He knows that.

True. Vince Young got hot the last month of the season. His Qb rating rose all the way to 72.0. His completion rate rose to 56%. And his TD to INT ration was 4:5.

Why are you regurgitating his mediocre stats? I know his stats. Young won games. Bottom line. That's why they play the games. His stats weren't pretty, but he won his individual battles on the field. He led the team to six straight wins.

PFW puts a lot of stock in performing big in big games and winning. I'm not going to criticize them for that.

Add in the fact that Young's help around him got WORSE this offseason...and sure. Its easy to see how he'll be better than Romo next year with Lendale White as his starting RB once he dips below 260 pounds.....and the great Givens/Bennett (oops, not there anymore) WR tandem...

These rankings don't have anything to do with teammates. This is irrelevant. If they did, Romo probably would be ranked higher.

 

[superpunk]

On top of it all, you're biased raging hypocrites. You cry incessantly about Javon Walker -- who had "only" 8 TDs to Owens' 13.

Yet how come not one person here is pissed about Terence Newman being ranked No. 2 CB???

Don't you think there are about a thousand Raider fans (and other teams) saying "Nashadi had 8 INTs. Newman had ONE INTERCEPTION! What a joke. PFW obviously sucks up to the Cowboys. What a bunch of clowns!"

Yet nobody here seems to be all that upset that Newman is ranked the second-best CB in the NFL despite just 1 INT in 2006.

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You need to look at the big picture, understand the full criteria, and respect what PFW has created. They know what they are talking about. It's a shame to see a bunch of homers blindly refuse to understand this valuable resource

How is it a valuable resource?

What can I do with it?

Can you do this?

 

[DallasEast]

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How is it a valuable resource?

What can I do with it?

Can you do this?

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Leave Captain Jean-Luc Picard out of this or so help me I will set phasers to kill!

 

[YosemiteSam]

I'm not even going to ask where you got this...

 

[superpunk]

I'm not even going to ask where you got this...

I know you didn't ask, but I figured I'd link you anyway.

Enjoy!

The sequel...

 

[Vintage]

These rankings don't have anything to do with teammates. This is irrelevant. If they did, Romo probably would be ranked higher.

Expected performance isn't tied into your teammates?

 

[HanfordDixon]

Expected performance isn't tied into your teammates?

I am not arguing your point. I am telling you that I don't believe PFW goes that far as to analyze what teammates each individual player has around him when determining his expected performance.

That opens a can of worms and is next to impossible to do anyway. What does that lead to? Analyzing the offensive and defensive systems each player is in? Analyzing the opposing offenses and defenses each player will face this year?

 

[DallasEast]

PFW's rankings suck.

Aren't I a little stinker? :cunning:

 

[PBJTime]

First, TO had an injury that directly affected his "dropped ball stat."

Absolutely, no question about it. Once again, injury considerations are a big part of the PFW criteria. TO's playing time, practice time and performance have been adversely affected by injury for the past three years. He is 33. That isn't likely to change moving forward.

Injury or no injury, he's never had the best hands anyway.

I'm not disagreeing with this being a part of the criteria. Please don't confuse me with any other poster. I've brought my own opinion to the table. I have only disputed the validity of an argument based on a Pro Bowl selection.

Again, it is amusing that it was seemingly decided only last year that this was THE defining stat for a wide receiver. Forget completions, TD's, YAC, etc.

Once again, it is NOT the defining stat. Just like number of TDs caught is the defining stat. However, for his biggest asset -- TDs -- TO had a strong weakness that canceled it out. The dropped balls were significant last year. When you add up all of his negatives with dropped balls, susceptibility to injury, age and distraction to the team -- he's still a pretty awesome WR. His 13th ranking indicates as much.

We could argue about this all day as it is just an opinion. My opinion is that TO definitely deserves to be in the top 10. He ALWAYS has to be accounted for and opens up the field for other receivers. Not to mention, he puts up outstanding numbers on his own. Your opinion differs, I accept that.

But more importantly, you are comparing apples to oranges. At best, it is a very simplistic argument.

His argument is one of the best, most logical put forth here. He exposes you for the homers that you are. Taylor had significantly better tackle numbers, yet you homers claimed he "missed tackles."

Face it -- you're a bunch of hypocrites only interested in whatever argument makes the best case for a Dallas player at that particular moment.

A couple of things for this rather inflammatory response. Comparing some stats that a safety put up to a wide receiver's stats IS comparing apples to oranges. Let's start comparing field goal accuracy for a kicker with a quarterback rating while we're at it.

Ease up buddy, don't get your panties in a wad. I haven't personally attacked you so I'd appreciate the same courtesy in return.

Thanks.

 

[PBJTime]

Let's cut the fans some slack here:

"The AFC and NFC All-Star squads are made up of the consensus votes of fans, players and coaches. Each group's vote counts one-third towards determining the 43-man rosters that represent the American Football Conference and National Football Conference in the Pro Bowl. The NFL is the only sports league that combines voting by fans, coaches and players to determine its all-star teams." - nfl.com, LINK

Any player's failure to reach the Pro Bowl is a result of not receiving enough votes from at least two or more of the consensus voters involved: fans, their peers (e.g. the players) and/or the coaches. Fans are not the sole reason why players (even Owens) are voted into the Pro Bowl or left out of it.

I'm not sure what you mean with this post.

I guess I'll say that I do know that fans are accounted for in voting. I know they don't count for all of it. I was simply responding to HD saying that "if anything, TO got help from the fans." I just don't think he was popular with fans across America, that's all.