PFW NFC Whispers: Cowboys concerned about CB depth?

[Future]

Give me Chris McCallister for a one-year deal.

agreed

 

[tunahelper]

Give me Chris McCallister for a one-year deal.

Love to see it. If people are banking on Ball/Mickens as 4th CB and TNew will last 16 games better hope we sign someone.

You need 4 cb's in this league and we have 3. Lets get a cheap vet. YES, I do want to hurt the development of Ball and Mickens by signing a vet.

 

[28 Joker]

Love to see it. If people are banking on Ball/Mickens as 4th CB and TNew will last 16 games better hope we sign someone.

You need 4 cb's in this league and we have 3. Lets get a cheap vet. YES, I do want to hurt the development of Ball and Mickens by signing a vet.

What about the 2007 season where the team went 13-3, and Nate Jones played a significant amount of time. Jacques Reeves was called the "Human Target" when he was starting on the other side of Newman. Newman played though plantar fisciitis and put up a 6.1 YPA and was put in the Pro Bowl.

We're talking about Nate Jones and Jaques Reeves for crying out loud. I think Ball and Mickens, if he's healthy, are big upgrades. DeAngleo Smith can play over there, too.

Dallas has been in much worse shape at CB, much worse shape in terms of depth.

2005-2006:

Newman
Henry (The true definition of injury prone.)
Aaron Glenn (started in 2005)
Jacques Reeves
Nate Jones


2007

Newman
Henry
Reeves (started that season)
Jones (played that season)

2008:

Newman (missed 6 games)
Henry
Pacrat
Scandrick
Jenkins


2009:

Newman
Jenkins
Scandrick
Ball
Mickens
Smith
Brown (?)

The fourth CB on this team shouldn't be considered above:

Backup LT, RT
Backup C
Backup ILB
Backup OLB
Experience behind Ware
Backup NT

If Ware, Ratliff, Adams, Gurode, Davis, Colombo, or James go down, that's big, big, big trouble.

This team went through 2 LGs last year. That position needs to stabalize.

If Adams goes down, Leonard Davis is going to LT unless Doug Free turns into something fast.

Dallas has proven that it can play with much worse at the number 4 CB positon.

 

[NeonNinja]

Yah, I'm sure neither he or Ironman Stanback will miss a snap all year:laugh2:

 

[dmq]

So how deep were we when Mario Edwards started? Our CB situation may have a hole if someone gets injured, but we have the most talent at CB that we have had since Kevin Smith went down.

 

[tunahelper]

What about the 2007 season where the team went 13-3, and Nate Jones played a significant amount of time. Jacques Reeves was called the "Human Target" when he was starting on the other side of Newman. Newman played though plantar fisciitis and put up a 6.1 YPA and was put in the Pro Bowl.

We're talking about Nate Jones and Jaques Reeves for crying out loud. I think Ball and Mickens, if he's healthy, are big upgrades. DeAngleo Smith can play over there, too.

Based on what? Ball has not even the top 3 CB's and you have great expectations? Mickens was a later round draft pick and you evaluated his role?

As far as 2007 goes our pass defense was a mirage. Our offense won games by outscoring teams and allowing us to make teams one dimensional.

 

[28 Joker]

Did Newman save the Bills game?

Did Newman save the first Commanders game?

There are two plays right there which prevented two losses.

I know the 2007 secondary was suspect at times (Williams, Henry, Reeves, and Jones), but that's the point. It didn't have the personnel that the 2009 team has, but the team could function and win 13 games.

Mike Mickens could have gone in the second round if healthy, and I read where one team gave him a third round grade. The meniscus tear scared teams off. If he's healthy, he can play better than Nate Jones and Jacques Reeves.

I'm saying Ball is better than Nate "Wes Welker went that way" Jones who was the fourth guy in 2007.

Furthermore, DeAngelo Smith was a ball hawk CB for the Bearcats. You could zone up his side and play him if you had to do it.

I would take Ball, Smith, and Mickens over Nate Jones and Jacques Reeves all day. I don't care how much experience they have.

Plus, Newman only missed 6 games last year.

Tom Brady missed 15+.

Is Tom Brady "injury prone"?

Please tell me that Junior Saivii isn't Jay Ratliff's backup.

 

[ZeroClub]

— The Cowboys might have shot down the rumors or any misunderstood Jerry Jones comments about possibly re-signing Pacman Jones, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t a little worried about the depth at cornerback. Terence Newman has been injury-prone, and while Mike Jenkins and Orlando Scandrick will battle at right cornerback and take up the Nos. 2 and 3 CB spots, there is little dependable depth behind them. It’s an awful lot to expect much out of second-year man Alan Ball or seventh-rounder Mike Mickens, who is rehabbing now, to step in and be the fourth corner.

How many teams have solid, dependable 4th string CBs?

 

[Nexx]

sigh...

If newman plays all 16 will that end this nonsense about him being injury prone?

What am I thinking, Gurode didn't really screw up shotgun snaps last season and people still act like he was throwing the ball over tony's head every snap.

if he doesnt play all 16 will you finally admit that he is injury prone?

 

[MONT17]

The proper Valley Ranch term for Newman would "aging"! Mickeyacks like to use words like downside or catch phrases simular to boys haven't won with him.

 

[theWave21]

I think the concern about depth is more about having rookies on the field if your starters go down. Scandrick was a blessing last year but you can't assume that any of the young guys can step in and play that well. Normally cornerback isn't a place for rookies to just step right in and play.

 

[Idgit]

...I'm saying Ball is better than Nate "Wes Welker went that way" Jones who was the fourth guy in 2007....

Ball's looked good in limited play, and the coaches are really high on him. Where's the Brady James quote about playing with Ball on his team anyday?

I'm content to let him man the 4th CB spot without bringing in a hobbled retread who used to be a great player.

 

[Aikbach]

Mickens is going to be another Scandrick, I'm confident of that.

 

[Aikbach]

Mike Mickens could have gone in the second round if healthy, and I read where one team gave him a third round grade. The meniscus tear scared teams off. If he's healthy, he can play better than Nate Jones and Jacques Reeves.

Some scouts were calling him first round talent before his injury as of last year, much like Scandrick he has a chip on his shoulder to prove he was disrespected on draft day by falling out of the first two rounds.

 

[jobberone]

Not sure I'd use the 07 season to brag about our secondary. After starting out looking nearly unbeatable we tanked at the end. We lost that Giants game with that end of the half debacle which was on the DBs mostly. After starting out 12-1 we nearly lost that Detroit game. Then lost to PHI. Then a seven point win against CAR. Then a loss to WAS although the number one seed was wrapped up. We are 10-10 since then.

And that's another reason we are getting no respect. They had better be glad I'm not their coach. I'd have them turning around to get away from me when they could. I'd push every button every player had. The right ones.

 

[28 Joker]

I think the concern about depth is more about having rookies on the field if your starters go down. Scandrick was a blessing last year but you can't assume that any of the young guys can step in and play that well. Normally cornerback isn't a place for rookies to just step right in and play.

Cornerback and running back are two positions where rookies can come in and play or contribute faster. Ball is going into his third year. Scandrick isn't the first CB to come in and see significant time as a rookie. He had a third round grade from the Cowboys. CBs drafted in rounds one and two come in and contribute every year. Dallas had a first rounder that they didn't play enough last season.

Mike Jenkins should have continued to start last season, and Anthony Henry should have been benched. Then Jenkins would have even more experience.

 

[tunahelper]

Not sure I'd use the 07 season to brag about our secondary. After starting out looking nearly unbeatable we tanked at the end. We lost that Giants game with that end of the half debacle which was on the DBs mostly. After starting out 12-1 we nearly lost that Detroit game. Then lost to PHI. Then a seven point win against CAR. Then a loss to WAS although the number one seed was wrapped up. We are 10-10 since then.

And that's another reason we are getting no respect. They had better be glad I'm not their coach. I'd have them turning around to get away from me when they could. I'd push every button every player had. The right ones.

Eli in the playoffs scoring a TD to end the 1st half, in under a minute. Solid DB play!

Nate and Jacques playing 8 yd. cushions because they were toast in bump n run.

That is how I remember 2007 secondary. P.S. Ask Texan fans how many times J.Reeves got burned last year?

 

[28 Joker]

Not sure I'd use the 07 season to brag about our secondary. After starting out looking nearly unbeatable we tanked at the end. We lost that Giants game with that end of the half debacle which was on the DBs mostly. After starting out 12-1 we nearly lost that Detroit game. Then lost to PHI. Then a seven point win against CAR. Then a loss to WAS although the number one seed was wrapped up. We are 10-10 since then.

And that's another reason we are getting no respect. They had better be glad I'm not their coach. I'd have them turning around to get away from me when they could. I'd push every button every player had. The right ones.

I wasn't bragging about the secondary. I was saying how that secondary had less talent than the current one, and the team was able to function and win 13 games. There is a big difference.

I just pointed out two plays where Terence Newman saved two for sure losses. The secondary did have some good games that season. However, the players who are gone now were the guys getting exposed. The Commanders did a big number on Jacques Reeves with 3 WR sets. Santana Moss roasted him.

It was a coaching call that decided to have Terence Newman, out of the slot, pass off Steve Smith to Roy Williams in the deep third, right before the half. The Giants attacked Henry, Reeves, and Williams in pass coverage. Henry was beaten all day long. Two big plays came against Roy Williams isolated in coverage. The players in the secondary who were attacked repeatedly in that playoff game are gone.

To say that the secondary was the main reason for the loss ignores many other bad plays in that game. It was a coaching call right before the half that allowed the Giants to tie the game.

 

[28 Joker]

Some scouts were calling him first round talent before his injury as of last year, much like Scandrick he has a chip on his shoulder to prove he was disrespected on draft day by falling out of the first two rounds.

Yeah. If Mickens shows he's healthy, the Cowboys phone is going to ring.

 

[28 Joker]

Ball's looked good in limited play, and the coaches are really high on him. Where's the Brady James quote about playing with Ball on his team anyday?

I'm content to let him man the 4th CB spot without bringing in a hobbled retread who used to be a great player.

I agree with you. I'm not sure why the team would want to bring in a guy with a bad knee or a guy who is going to start giving up bombs for TDs when he really starts to lose it, because he can't run anymore. Better yet, bring back Henry.

If some people really want to see what "aging" is or "decline", bring in a guy the Ravens cut. The Ravens cut McAlister for a reason, and I don't see Mike Jenkins or Orlando Scandrick on their team.

Plus, we are talking about the 4th CB spot.

Dallas should have continued to play the younger, faster, stronger, and more talented Mike Jenkin last year. Teams were going after Henry, and he had lost a step the year before.