Philadelphia Eagles Examiner: No, the Cowboys don't appear to be going away

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Phoenix-Talon;2818205 said:
I'd be glad to ...

If that is a Lombardi Trophy Case, then you are correct! However, if your graphic depicts an NFL Champoinship Trophy Case, you are entirely wrong!


PT

Of course it's a Lombardi Trophy Case. It's the NFL, why would you think it was anything else? Oh I know why, cause your BUMS don't own a Lombardi Trophy. Here, take a look at these :lombardi: . Pretty aren't they? :D Come back when your BUMS own one of them...
 

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Jon88;2817548 said:
Yeah we aren't going anywhere. The trash is gone and we have a lot of young players to contend for many years.


Thrash??? Wow!! How can you call a receiver who set touchdown records trash? Better production then ANY receiver we EVER had.
 

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You guys are attacking me, when I look at a team that had 13 Pro-Bowlers on it last year, and got beat they way they did in not 1 game but several games, that there was no way they were supposed to lose?

How many of those pro-bowlers are gone now? You expect me to jump up and down and say this team will win at least 11-16 games this year and win the SB? I just don't think so, with the schedule they have.

I am just looking for some learning and building this season. Of course, I always hope they come together and click, such as Namath and the Jets did, when no one expected it, but that is 90% dream.

Of course, I keep on being a Cowboys fan, I lived through more than a decade without a ring in Landry's last days and Johnson's first years, and have done so again since the mid 90's, but I refuse to declare "this is our year", when the signs just aren't there.

Now, Good Luck, Cowboys and at least make me proud this year.

Shoot, I am already proud of the Dallas Cowboys this year, because they will have the biggest and best home in the world this year, thanks to Jerry Jones!
 

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We lost TO and Ellis from those pro bowl numbers that matter (will not even get into our departed safety).
We now have two guys that have been added or are now in pro bowl territory in Roy and Ratlif. Ratlif really shined last year and emerged. We added Roy another Pro Bowl player. We still have all the other guys who made the pro bowl that year. So from 2007 where is this loss of talent some people talk about? Henry has been replaced by two good young guys; Roy has been replaced by Sensebaugh who is better; the only position that you can say that has been weakened is OLB where Ellis was. I consider that a rejuvenated Roy will equal a sliding TO. From 2007 we have also added Felix Jones and Tashard Choice.
 

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Earlier, I mentioned some of the 2009 Eagles that were released and the impact those players may/may not have in the upcoming 2009 regular season. I additionally mentioned that since I was not a Cowboys fan, I couldn't expound on 2009 Dallas Cowboy losses. Did someone want to comment on the 2009 Cowboy losses/releases and the impact those losses could create?

Here are some of the losses I think may have a detrimental Impact on the Cowboys in 2009:



Ellis - your call

Pacman Jones - impact on secondary

Roy Williams - impact on secondary

Anthony Henry - your call

Terrell Owens - your call

Others - ????

Remain objective.

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Phoenix-Talon;2818409 said:
Earlier, I mentioned some of the 2009 Eagles that were released and the impact those players may/may not have in the upcoming 2009 regular season. I additionally mentioned that since I was not a Cowboys fan, I couldn't expound on 2009 Dallas Cowboy losses. Did someone want to comment on the 2009 Cowboy losses/releases and the impact those losses could create?

Here are some of the losses I think may have a detrimental Impact on the Cowboys in 2009:

Terrance Newman - impact on secondary

Pacman Jones - impact on secondary

Roy Williams - impact on secondary

Anthony Henry - your call

Terrell Owens - your call

Others - ????

Remain objective.

PT
When did we lose Terence Newman? News to me.
 

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Hostile;2818411 said:
When did we lose Terence Newman? News to me.

I'm glad I was wrong about that - that's the equivalent of the Eagles losing Brian Dawkins. But I digress ...I'm not a fan and I thought I read something about Newman Being disgruntled about his contract. Did he sign a new contract yet?

Also, what do you think the impact of those losses that Dallas did sustain, will have on the 2009 season (if any?)

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read my post above that covers it all. Jenkins and Scandrick are going to be as good as if not better then Pacman. Its arguable that they already are.
Henry had really lost a step and was getting beaten like a drum.
Safety Roy has been replaced by someone with noticeably better coverage skills.
TO was on the downhill slope and disapeared in all too many games last year, not to mention his drops. Roy has better hands and will not be disruptive like TO. So overall I call that a wash.

THE ONLY place that you have to worry about is a less productive pass rush from Spencer replacing Ellis. Since spencer is better against the run that might work out into being a wash as well.

Felix Jones hopefully will be injury free. And we get back McBriar as well.
 

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Hostile;2817745 said:
I think Philly's window of opportunity is coming to a close. They lost the emotional leader of their Defense and probably the best DC in the NFL. Remember when we lost Woodson? Similar impact expected in Philly. McNabb finally has WRs to throw to but their best weapon is Westbrook and once again he seems delicate. The window isn't closed, but it is moving in that direction for them.

Our window is still opening up. The Giants window is still opening up. I think the division will be between Dallas and the Giants this year. Young teams with emerging QBs and solid casts around them.

The Commanders? They can't find the window though I do applaud their off season focus on D. I just don't fear mediocre QB led teams.


I agree with this. The loss of Dawkins is going to impact them far more than most Eagles fans are willing to admit. A lot are acting like he meant basically nothing to their team.


VACowboy;2817775 said:
I think the Cowboys' 2009 success depends on the OL.


Exactly. Especially late in the year. Add in some better special teams play and that is the two areas that I think hurt us the most last year.


Phoenix-Talon;2817779 said:
One Eagles Fan Perspective: each new regular season brings with it new hope for each team to do better than the previous year. Regardless of How you see things or what your twist on any given team is, right now we can only draw our conclusions on draft/trade acquisitions.

That said, specifically I think the Dallas Cowboys will be just a strong and just a competitive as they have always been against the Eagles and all of their NFC-East rivals. I can't speak for other Eagle fans, but I personally believe that the 44-6 beating last year is In the record books as the worst defeat the Cowboys ever had ...but has absolutely nothing to do with the2 or 3 games they meet with the Eagles in 2009.

Since I'm not a Cowboys fan, I only know a very few things that may impact the team this coming season. However, here are some things that will have an impact on the next Eagles in 2009:

> Brian Dawkins departure medium impact

> "If" Jim Johnson (Eagles Def. Coord.) is out ...significant impact

> Successfull recovery of Brian Westbrook

Note: The Eagles are an improved team from last year.

Any way you spin it, it's going to be a back alley dog fight. I'm looking forward to the games between our two teams. I think it will live up to the traditional meetings between the two teams.

Phoenix-Talon

Yet another Eagles fan who is attempting to minimize the importance of Dawkins to their team. I think you guys are going to find out just how hard it is to replace a leader, and playmaker, at the safety position and just how much it screws up your overall defense. It's not fun and it's not pretty.

The loss of your DC, most likely, will also be devastating to that defense. They're going to have a very rough year defensively. The good thing for them though is that their defense won't have to carry the team the same it used to cause they at least gave DMac some weapons on offense now.


Phoenix-Talon;2818409 said:
Earlier, I mentioned some of the 2009 Eagles that were released and the impact those players may/may not have in the upcoming 2009 regular season. I additionally mentioned that since I was not a Cowboys fan, I couldn't expound on 2009 Dallas Cowboy losses. Did someone want to comment on the 2009 Cowboy losses/releases and the impact those losses could create?

Here are some of the losses I think may have a detrimental Impact on the Cowboys in 2009:



Ellis - your call

Pacman Jones - impact on secondary

Roy Williams - impact on secondary

Anthony Henry - your call

Terrell Owens - your call

Others - ????

Remain objective.

PT

Ellis - Replaced by Spencer. The production will be at least equal, if not greater.

Adam Jones - Missed several games last year cause of suspensions and injury. He has zero impact on our secondary. Easily replaced by Jenkins or Scandrick.

Henry - Easily replaced by Jenkins or Scandrick. Those two younger guys are instant upgrades over those two lost CBs.

Roy Williams - We replaced him with Gerald which will, at worst, be an equal but having watched Gerald a couple times last year for the Jags I think it was pretty clear he's much better at the thing that Roy Williams was absolutely terrible at. So this is at the very least equal.

TO - Individually...probably a loss. I don't know that Roy Williams will put up the exact kind of numbers that TO did.

But here is the good part of that. He doesn't have to. With TO gone this offense is freed up to spread the ball around more to it's multitude of weapons. Williams, Witten, Bennett, Crayton, Hurd, Austin, Jones will all pitch in to replace what we lost from TO and they'll do it quite well.

So yeah we lost having one guy who is a great playmaker in favor of getting the ball into the hands of several playmakers. I think that works out much to the favor of the Cowboys.
 

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Ellis - Replaced by Spencer. The production will be at least equal, if not greater.

Adam Jones - Missed several games last year cause of suspensions and injury. He has zero impact on our secondary. Easily replaced by Jenkins or Scandrick.

Henry - Easily replaced by Jenkins or Scandrick. Those two younger guys are instant upgrades over those two lost CBs.

Roy Williams - We replaced him with Gerald which will, at worst, be an equal but having watched Gerald a couple times last year for the Jags I think it was pretty clear he's much better at the thing that Roy Williams was absolutely terrible at. So this is at the very least equal.

TO - Individually...probably a loss. I don't know that Roy Williams will put up the exact kind of numbers that TO did.

But here is the good part of that. He doesn't have to. With TO gone this offense is freed up to spread the ball around more to it's multitude of weapons. Williams, Witten, Bennett, Crayton, Hurd, Austin, Jones will all pitch in to replace what we lost from TO and they'll do it quite well.

So yeah we lost having one guy who is a great playmaker in favor of getting the ball into the hands of several playmakers. I think that works out much to the favor of the Cowboys.
Very well done. Point for point.
 

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Yeah I mean, no one can replace TO production-wise with the ball in his hands. But TO didnt even make a huge impact last season, its time to move on and we got a big group of young guys willing to prove something.
 

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SLATEmosphere;2818212 said:
LOL here comes the patented "1935 Eagle championship" talk. Seriously? I find extremely funny when Eagle fans talk about having a "championship" 70 years ago when there were like 7 NFL teams and the Cowboys didn't even exist. The minute the Cowboys were alive and running the Eagles havn't won squat!!!

F the Eagles!!!!!!!!


:laugh2: :laugh2:


:bow:
 

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jterrell;2817663 said:
tell that to local mediots who continue to peg them as a .500 team.

i can see some concerns but if you look at last season and only see 44-6 you are not intelligent enough to offer sports opinions.

They are probably basing that off the fact that we went 9-7 last year.... which is 1 game above .500

Not just the 44-6 thrashing.
 

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Big Dakota;2817546 said:
Anyone in philthy that doesn't believe the Cowboys will be a contender is a typical philthy stupid homer.
Anyone in Dallas who doesn't have doubts about Dallas being a contender is just as much a homer.
 

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Phoenix-Talon;2818409 said:
Earlier, I mentioned some of the 2009 Eagles that were released and the impact those players may/may not have in the upcoming 2009 regular season. I additionally mentioned that since I was not a Cowboys fan, I couldn't expound on 2009 Dallas Cowboy losses. Did someone want to comment on the 2009 Cowboy losses/releases and the impact those losses could create?

Here are some of the losses I think may have a detrimental Impact on the Cowboys in 2009:



Ellis - your call

Pacman Jones - impact on secondary

Roy Williams - impact on secondary

Anthony Henry - your call

Terrell Owens - your call

Others - ????

Remain objective.

PT



:lmao2:
 

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The only question mark is at wideout and backing up Ratliff at NT.

Every other position got stronger in the off season and truthfully the WR corp might well be better off without TO as well, yes he is an individual talent but as Eagle fans SHOULD know too well he isn't the final piece to any team nor are his talents something you can't live without, they're a luxury.
 

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Aikbach;2818908 said:
The only question mark is at wideout and backing up Ratliff at NT.

Every other position got stronger in the off season and truthfully the WR corp might well be better off without TO as well, yes he is an individual talent but as Eagle fans SHOULD know too well he isn't the final piece to any team nor are his talents something you can't live without, they're a luxury.


Really? What about the o-line?
 

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Aikbach;2818908 said:
The only question mark is at wideout and backing up Ratliff at NT.

Every other position got stronger in the off season and truthfully the WR corp might well be better off without TO as well, yes he is an individual talent but as Eagle fans SHOULD know too well he isn't the final piece to any team nor are his talents something you can't live without, they're a luxury.
Honestly, I'm fine living with the fact that we will probably see less production out of our passing game this year than we did in 2007. I can live with that; does losing T.O. suck from the standpoint of overall talent? Of course it does, does losing T.O. make us a much better T-E-A-M? Yes, and that to me is far more important than any statistic that T.O. ever dished out.
 
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