Philly.com: Big-game history favors McNabb

[Beast_from_East]

Wow, talk about trying to put lipstick on a pig!!!

McNabb is now a "big game" QB??? When exactly did this happen???



McNabb is probably one of the last QBs around that I would want in a big game. The dude dam near chokes virtually every year in the playoffs. They lost 4 NFC Championship games and the majority of those were at home


How the hell do you lose multiple NFCCGs in your own backyard and get the reputation of being "clutch"??? How bout the 4th quarter of the SB when McNabb was "tired" and was spewing Campbells Chunky all over the field??? That gets you rep of being a "big game QB who is clutch???".


NOTE******I see Romo is now credited with the Carolina loss even though he was on the freaking practice squad at the time and crackhead Quincy was under center. Did Romo pull a "Jedi move" and took control of Quincy in a mind meld or something???

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Big Game History favors McNabb?

Well, Romo has had success in big games.


There is a changing of the guard so to speak. McNabb has had his time and chances. It will come to an end. Eventually.

I believe that time is here.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

I don't know that McNabb or Romo can be labeled as big-game "chokers",,, I think the main flaw is erratic play whether it's a big game or not. Donovan just never has been accurate on a consistant basis and Tony's gun-slinging led to feast or famine results,,, both flaws are killers in a tight game.

 

[Idgit]

I don't know that McNabb or Romo can be labeled as big-game "chokers",,, I think the main flaw is erratic play whether it's a big game or not. Donovan just never has been accurate on a consistant basis and Tony's gun-slinging led to feast or famine results,,, both flaws are killers in a tight game.

Except in the playoff games in SEA and v. NYFG, where Tony played well.

 

[tyke1doe]

When they talk about you as a HoF candidate, it does in my book. You can be very good and still overrated. Especially when you, almost literally, choke in the fourth quarter of the biggest game of your career.

And you're nuts if you think playing for Andy Reid has been a handicap in any way for McNabb's career.

Who is talking about McNabb as a HoF candidate?

Let's not confuse the talk of one or two expert with a groundswell of people considering McNabb for the HoF.

Second, let's get off this "choked in the fourth quarter of the biggest game of your career." Elway, in all his numbers, "choked" in three Super Bowls before he won two with Terrell Davis. Peyton Manning was considered a "choker" before he finally won a Super Bowl.

And have you heard the stories of other quarterbacks (Aikman, Staubach) who almost hyperventilated before and during the game?

Cmon. That's such a tired argument. It's the biggest game of your life. And it's not just McNabb. Andy Reid nor the Eagles staff showed any urgency at the end of the game. That's not just on the quarterback. That's on the entire staff. You have to practice efficiency and two-minute offenses. It doesn't just happen.

Furthermore, the Eagles have often been undermanned as a championship team. The criticism of the Eagles organization is that it hasn't brought enough weapons for McNabb, especially since Reid runs the West Coast Offense.

You guys just hate McNabb because he's an Eagles. He has done more than Tony Romo has to this point, yet if the media or anyone would suggest that Romo is a "choker," many of you guys get all hot, bothered and ready to fight.

Winning a Super Bowl is very, very hard. Getting to one is even harder. Very few organizations catch lightning in a bottle and take multiple trips to the Super Bowl with basically the same core players. Fifthteen of 32 teams have never won the Super Bowl and teams like the NY Jets and the Kansas City Chiefs haven't gotten back to the Super Bowl in 30 years since winning it.

It is extremely difficult to get to a Super Bowl. But you guys make it seem like it's a trip in the park, and if a quarterback doesn't get his team there, he's somehow a loser.

Pulease.

 

[tyke1doe]

Wow, talk about trying to put lipstick on a pig!!!

McNabb is now a "big game" QB??? When exactly did this happen???



McNabb is probably one of the last QBs around that I would want in a big game. The dude dam near chokes virtually every year in the playoffs. They lost 4 NFC Championship games and the majority of those were at home


How the hell do you lose multiple NFCCGs in your own backyard and get the reputation of being "clutch"??? How bout the 4th quarter of the SB when McNabb was "tired" and was spewing Campbells Chunky all over the field??? That gets you rep of being a "big game QB who is clutch???".


NOTE******I see Romo is now credited with the Carolina loss even though he was on the freaking practice squad at the time and crackhead Quincy was under center. Did Romo pull a "Jedi move" and took control of Quincy in a mind meld or something???

So if it's valid to forever highlight McNabb vomiting during the Super Bowl, I guess you aren't bothered that every playoff Tony Romo is considered a choker because he botched a snap that could have helped the Cowboys win against Seattle?

Right?

 

[tyke1doe]

Except in the playoff games in SEA and v. NYFG, where Tony played well.

You mean when Tony, instead of throwing the ball out of bounds, holds on until the last minute and gets repeatedly sacked by the Giants?

You mean when Tony drops a snap that would have given the Cowboys the lead late in the Seattle game?

Yes, Tony Romo plays well in the playoffs.

If we're going to magnify the flaws of McNabb in the playoffs, let's talk about Tony's.

 

[The Emperor]

Big-game history favors McNabb
POSTED: December 31, 2009 By Bob Brookover

Inquirer Staff Writer

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POSTED: December 31, 2009 Big-game history favors McNabb
By Bob Brookover

Inquirer Staff Writer

Wade Phillips laughed at the question.

The Dallas Cowboys' coach has never won a playoff game, so it's only natural that in his eyes, Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb, winner of nine playoff contests, has already established his greatness.


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"It's an exciting time," says the Eagles' Donovan McNabb, 33, whose 9-6 playoff record compares favorably to the 0-3 performance of his counterpart, Tony Romo. "What better stage than to play in Dallas?"
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»BUY TICKETS"It's only a big game if you lose," Phillips said, well aware of his sarcasm. "He's won a lot of big games, and he's won a lot of big games this year. There are a lot of big games in this league, and he has won 11 of them this year."

There's truth to that statement.

John Madden, who lost five AFL or AFC championship games before finally winning a Super Bowl with the Oakland Raiders, put it like this: "You will hear people say you can't win the big one, but you have to win a lot of big ones to get to the big one."

Madden, however, also said this: "Your last game is the one you have to live with. You keep hearing that and you just learn from it. What I learned is that winning the division doesn't mean anything and winning a playoff game doesn't mean anything.

"It's winning the Super Bowl that matters. You have to remember that at the end there's only one team left standing, and all the others are thrown into the heap as losers."

This is all relevant because, 11 wins aside, the Eagles' truly big games lie ahead, beginning with Sunday's meeting against Phillips' team at Cowboys Stadium.

"It's an exciting time," McNabb said before practice yesterday. "I think it comes at a great time for us because, leading into the playoffs, we want to make sure that we are clicking on all cylinders - and what better stage than to play in Dallas against one of our top rivals and for a lot on the line?"

If the Eagles win, they claim the NFC East title and a bye week as the second seed in the conference.

Like it or not, this is the time of year when most Hall of Fame quarterbacks stamp their tickets to Canton, and right now, McNabb's bus probably would stop in Akron.

McNabb's 9-6 playoff record is superior to the 0-4 mark Phillips has compiled as a coach and the 0-3 record of Dallas quarterback Tony Romo. McNabb's postseason numbers are certainly respectable, too. He has an 80.8 passer rating, with 23 touchdowns and 16 interceptions.

By comparison, Brett Favre, considered a Hall of Fame cinch, is 12-10 in the postseason, with an 85.2 passer rating. He has thrown 39 touchdown passes and 28 interceptions. The big difference is that Favre has won two NFC championship games and a Super Bowl.

Those top-tier games have mostly left McNabb with a hollow feeling.

McNabb, 33, is 8-1 in NFC wild-card and divisional playoff games, with an 86.4 passer rating. He has completed 61.3 percent of his passes in those games, and the Eagles have averaged 26.4 points.

When the stakes have risen to the level of the conference championship or Super Bowl, however, McNabb's record is 1-5 and his passer rating just 72.9. His completion percentage in those games is 57.3, and he has thrown nine touchdown passes and nine interceptions. The Eagles have averaged just 18.3 points in those games.

The Eagles, of course, are not playing in the Super Bowl this week, and McNabb left tire tracks on the Cowboys quite a few times at old Texas Stadium. The Eagles are happy he's on their side in this showdown at Dallas' new palatial digs.

"It's great to have Donovan there," running back Brian Westbrook said. "He's a guy that we know is going to come up big in the big situations. . . . Any time you have a guy like that on your side, you know that you have a chance to win the football game."

Phillips said the McNabb he had seen this season wasn't all that different from the one he had seen in the past.

"Same as I saw last year, the year before, and the year before that," Phillips said. "The guy is a great quarterback. He's a winner, he makes plays, and he's got some weapons that he hasn't had in past years, and you can see the result."

Eagles linebacker Jeremiah Trotter said the major difference between McNabb now and in the past was the number of weapons surrounding him.

"In 2004, he had T.O., who obviously was one of the best weapons in the game," Trotter said, referring to Terrell Owens. "But now, he has more. When you have more weapons like we do, the defense can't come out and try to scheme on one guy."

Maybe that's the formula that will finally keep McNabb and the Eagles from being thrown into the heap with the rest of the losers after the Super Bowl is played in Miami.

See? Why don't we have spin doctors like this in the DFW media? Heck, I'd be happy just to have fair commentators in the DFW media!

I guess Super Bowl XXXIX wasn't a big game by definition then.

 

[Idgit]

Second, let's get off this "choked in the fourth quarter of the biggest game of your career." Elway, in all his numbers, "choked" in three Super Bowls before he won two with Terrell Davis. Peyton Manning was considered a "choker" before he finally won a Super Bowl.

And have you heard the stories of other quarterbacks (Aikman, Staubach) who almost hyperventilated before and during the game?

Cmon. That's such a tired argument. It's the biggest game of your life. And it's not just McNabb. Andy Reid nor the Eagles staff showed any urgency at the end of the game. That's not just on the quarterback. That's on the entire staff. You have to practice efficiency and two-minute offenses. It doesn't just happen.

Furthermore, the Eagles have often been undermanned as a championship team. The criticism of the Eagles organization is that it hasn't brought enough weapons for McNabb, especially since Reid runs the West Coast Offense.

You guys just hate McNabb because he's an Eagles. He has done more than Tony Romo has to this point, yet if the media or anyone would suggest that Romo is a "choker," many of you guys get all hot, bothered and ready to fight....Pulease.

Dude. This is such a weird argument, I don't even know where to start. How 'bout here: the dude threw up from nerves in the middle of bungling the clock during the biggest drive of his life. That's pretty much a textbook definition of choking. Of course we hate McNabb b/c he's an Eagle. Is there really an confusion around that? Of course he's done more than Tony Romo has at this point. He's been playing, what, 12 years? Give the guy credit for what he's accomplished, but there's no need to fluff him for what he hasn't. And making excuses for crapping the bed in the Superbowl is just silly.

Re: Romo and his playoff performances, I'm just going to not take your bait because you don't have an argument unless you're talking about his performance as a holder for FGs.

 

[tyke1doe]

Dude. This is such a weird argument, I don't even know where to start. How 'bout here: the dude threw up from nerves in the middle of bungling the clock during the biggest drive of his life. That's pretty much a textbook definition of choking. Of course we hate McNabb b/c he's an Eagle. Is there really an confusion around that? Of course he's done more than Tony Romo has at this point. He's been playing, what, 12 years? Give the guy credit for what he's accomplished, but there's no need to fluff him for what he hasn't. And making excuses for crapping the bed in the Superbowl is just silly.

First, you don't know why he threw up.

Second, you do know that football players puke, crap in their paints, pee, etc. This isn't exactly new. It's just that you don't hear about it all the time.

Third, unless you've played in a Super Bowl, you have no authority telling people what they should or shouldn't feel. Many Super Bowl quarterbacks have said their nerves got the best of them in the Big Game.

Fourth, yes, I give him credit for getting to 5 NFC Championship Games in the 12 years he's been playing. That is quite an accomplishment, especially when you consider the Cowboys haven't had a quarterback to get them to one in 13 years.

Fifth, I think you said it all. You're against McNabb because he's an Eagle. If he were a Cowboy, you'd likely be getting upset that people are criticizing him just as you do when they criticize Romo.

Re: Romo and his playoff performances, I'm just going to not take your bait because you don't have an argument unless you're talking about his performance as a holder for FGs.

Oh, I have an argument alright, just one you don't want to acknowledge. Romo is 0-2 in playoff games. He choked as a holder, and he couldn't lead his team to victory even though the Cowboys had homefield advantage throughout the playoffs.

If you're going to label McNabb a choker, then Romo is just as much a choker. The only difference is McNabb has won a few playoffs. Romo has yet to win one.

 

[SA_Gunslinger]

I guess they pick and choose what they mean by "big game". by my count, McNabb is a total choker in the true BIG GAMES.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=[youtube]CQo6zt3bWlM[/youtube]

Big player make big plays. Others puke...

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

McNabb has played in more playoff games. True. He has won more playoff games. True.

But he is arguably the biggest big game choker in the NFL, currently. He never gets called on it because of the Rush Limbaugh backlash... but the fact remains....

He threw a game sealing interception against the Rams in the NFC Championship.

He threw a game sealing interception against the Bucs in the NFC Championship.

He threw three interceptions against the Panthers in the NFC Championships.

He threw three interceptions against the Patriots, and litterally THREW UP on the field, with the game still in reach!

He is the only QB in NFL history to lose 4 NFC Championships.

He has a career QB rating of just 85.9, but in the playoffs, his QB rating drops to 80.1.

He has spent his entire career with the same coaching staff, in the same QB-Friendly dink and dunk WCO, and with a one of the leagues most feared defenses year in and year out. And with his division being mediocre to bad for much of his career.

And despite all of that, he has yet to deliver a Championship.

Big game quarterback, my ***.

McNabb is OVERRATED.

I hear that, Swat. Sup bro.?

 

[Idgit]

First, you don't know why he threw up.

I guess it remains one of the great mysteries of sports why the time management was so bad on that drive where McNabb choked, puked, and then lost a Superbowl. TO was in the huddle. I wonder if he had anything to say about what might have been going on?

Second, you do know that football players puke, crap in their paints, pee, etc. This isn't exactly new. It's just that you don't hear about it all the time.

Yes, I do know this. Many of them get so nervous they have physical reactions. Not all of them choke away the Superbowl in the process, but some of them do, apparently.

Third, unless you've played in a Super Bowl, you have no authority telling people what they should or shouldn't feel. Many Super Bowl quarterbacks have said their nerves got the best of them in the Big Game.

Confused as to why you think I'm using authority to tell Superbowl players what they should feel. I'm not. I'm just mocking McNabb for crapping the bed when he got his chance.

Fourth, yes, I give him credit for getting to 5 NFC Championship Games in the 12 years he's been playing. That is quite an accomplishment, especially when you consider the Cowboys haven't had a quarterback to get them to one in 13 years.

Yes, it is quite an accomplishment. You seem to think there are people debating this with you.

Fifth, I think you said it all. You're against McNabb because he's an Eagle. If he were a Cowboy, you'd likely be getting upset that people are criticizing him just as you do when they criticize Romo.

You got it. It's not like I was hiding that fact anyplace.

And I don't get upset when people criticize Tony Romo fairly. Only when they make up nonsense.

Oh, I have an argument alright, just one you don't want to acknowledge. Romo is 0-2 in playoff games. He choked as a holder, and he couldn't lead his team to victory even though the Cowboys had homefield advantage throughout the playoffs.

If you're going to label McNabb a choker, then Romo is just as much a choker. The only difference is McNabb has won a few playoffs. Romo has yet to win one.

You have no argument about Romo, but that's ok. How 'bout we just agree to wait and see how their respective careers end up before we compare the two QBs? I have a feeling who's right and who's wrong in this debate will be pretty obvious at that point.

 

[stilltheguru]

If Phillips and Romo had each had 15 chances like McNabb, I'm sure they'd have some playoff wins. Give McNabb credit for being in position so much, but if you take the Madden quote as relevant, you have to admit that McNabb hasn't achieved any more than Phillips or Romo. In any event, nothing in the past matters now. If the Cowboys win Sunday, they will be NFC East champs and the sky will be the limit.

WOW..............