Philly.com: Big-game history favors McNabb

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Big-game history favors McNabb :rolleyes:
POSTED: December 31, 2009 By Bob Brookover

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POSTED: December 31, 2009 Big-game history favors McNabb
By Bob Brookover

Inquirer Staff Writer

Wade Phillips laughed at the question.

The Dallas Cowboys' coach has never won a playoff game, so it's only natural that in his eyes, Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb, winner of nine playoff contests, has already established his greatness.


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"It's an exciting time," says the Eagles' Donovan McNabb, 33, whose 9-6 playoff record compares favorably to the 0-3 performance of his counterpart, Tony Romo. "What better stage than to play in Dallas?"
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There's truth to that statement.

John Madden, who lost five AFL or AFC championship games before finally winning a Super Bowl with the Oakland Raiders, put it like this: "You will hear people say you can't win the big one, but you have to win a lot of big ones to get to the big one."

Madden, however, also said this: "Your last game is the one you have to live with. You keep hearing that and you just learn from it. What I learned is that winning the division doesn't mean anything and winning a playoff game doesn't mean anything.

"It's winning the Super Bowl that matters. You have to remember that at the end there's only one team left standing, and all the others are thrown into the heap as losers."

This is all relevant because, 11 wins aside, the Eagles' truly big games lie ahead, beginning with Sunday's meeting against Phillips' team at Cowboys Stadium.

"It's an exciting time," McNabb said before practice yesterday. "I think it comes at a great time for us because, leading into the playoffs, we want to make sure that we are clicking on all cylinders - and what better stage than to play in Dallas against one of our top rivals and for a lot on the line?"

If the Eagles win, they claim the NFC East title and a bye week as the second seed in the conference.

Like it or not, this is the time of year when most Hall of Fame quarterbacks stamp their tickets to Canton, and right now, McNabb's bus probably would stop in Akron.

McNabb's 9-6 playoff record is superior to the 0-4 mark Phillips has compiled as a coach and the 0-3 record of Dallas quarterback Tony Romo. McNabb's postseason numbers are certainly respectable, too. He has an 80.8 passer rating, with 23 touchdowns and 16 interceptions.

By comparison, Brett Favre, considered a Hall of Fame cinch, is 12-10 in the postseason, with an 85.2 passer rating. He has thrown 39 touchdown passes and 28 interceptions. The big difference is that Favre has won two NFC championship games and a Super Bowl.

Those top-tier games have mostly left McNabb with a hollow feeling.

McNabb, 33, is 8-1 in NFC wild-card and divisional playoff games, with an 86.4 passer rating. He has completed 61.3 percent of his passes in those games, and the Eagles have averaged 26.4 points.

When the stakes have risen to the level of the conference championship or Super Bowl, however, McNabb's record is 1-5 and his passer rating just 72.9. His completion percentage in those games is 57.3, and he has thrown nine touchdown passes and nine interceptions. The Eagles have averaged just 18.3 points in those games.

The Eagles, of course, are not playing in the Super Bowl this week, and McNabb left tire tracks on the Cowboys quite a few times at old Texas Stadium. The Eagles are happy he's on their side in this showdown at Dallas' new palatial digs.

"It's great to have Donovan there," running back Brian Westbrook said. "He's a guy that we know is going to come up big in the big situations. . . . Any time you have a guy like that on your side, you know that you have a chance to win the football game."

Phillips said the McNabb he had seen this season wasn't all that different from the one he had seen in the past.

"Same as I saw last year, the year before, and the year before that," Phillips said. "The guy is a great quarterback. He's a winner, he makes plays, and he's got some weapons that he hasn't had in past years, and you can see the result."

Eagles linebacker Jeremiah Trotter said the major difference between McNabb now and in the past was the number of weapons surrounding him.

"In 2004, he had T.O., who obviously was one of the best weapons in the game," Trotter said, referring to Terrell Owens. "But now, he has more. When you have more weapons like we do, the defense can't come out and try to scheme on one guy."

Maybe that's the formula that will finally keep McNabb and the Eagles from being thrown into the heap with the rest of the losers after the Super Bowl is played in Miami.
 

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Madden, however, also said this: "Your last game is the one you have to live with. You keep hearing that and you just learn from it. What I learned is that winning the division doesn't mean anything and winning a playoff game doesn't mean anything.

Can't argue with that.
 

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Dave_in-NC;3186446 said:
Madden, however, also said this: "Your last game is the one you have to live with. You keep hearing that and you just learn from it. What I learned is that winning the division doesn't mean anything and winning a playoff game doesn't mean anything.

Can't argue with that.

So True!

I want a Super Bowl VICTORY!

And I really feel ROMO is going to get it!
 

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Is sports writing so bad that now they are adding non-existent play-off losses to Tony Romo's record?

Or am I just blocking out something I don't want to remember?

Seattle and Giants...right? Just two.
 

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Unquestionably, McNabb is one of the top QBs in the league and the Eagles are one of the top teams in the league.

This weekend will tell us a little more about how far Romo and the Cowboys have come and how well this year's team can play under pressure and next weekend will tell us a lot more.

I've been waiting for years to see how the Cowboys do in December and January and I'm in no hurry. Clearly the Boys have done better than usual this December but they have their work cut out for them in January.

I don't know whether they have what it takes this year or not but I'm also prepared to wait all next year, too, after all, it has been 13 years now so what's a few more years, more or less?

I quit chomping at the bit a long time ago and am just patiently waiting to see whether they win another Superbowl in my lifetime or not - it no longer matters much to me either way anyway.

At age 70, life is what you make of it and I am enjoying my life whether the Cowboys win or not.

Life is good anyway.
 

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Interesting. So now Romo is 0-3 as a starting QB in the playoffs despite the fact that he's only started 2 playoff games?

I guess they're just going to go ahead and assume he'll lose this year.
 

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If Phillips and Romo had each had 15 chances like McNabb, I'm sure they'd have some playoff wins. Give McNabb credit for being in position so much, but if you take the Madden quote as relevant, you have to admit that McNabb hasn't achieved any more than Phillips or Romo. In any event, nothing in the past matters now. If the Cowboys win Sunday, they will be NFC East champs and the sky will be the limit.
 

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Yeah right, I thought those failed tries in 4 NFC Championship games are small games for McNabb and the Super Bowl is also a small game for him.
 

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That is so true.What SB has McFlabb ever won? He's choked in some big games. Andy Reid has choked in some big games. I'm tired of hearing how great the Eagles are. The media never gets on them for always losing in the playoffs.
 

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It sure does!

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History Shmistery!

I truly believe this team is fonally a TEAM, unlike past years where players were discinnected. This year this TEAM has real LEADERSHIP, unlike past years where they had select egos. And this year, the QB has matured into a calculated PLAYMAKER, rahter than the gunslinger he was in years past. So I think you can thorw history and past years out the window. This cowboy team is diffenret and better.

Go Cowboys!
 

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I have no question that this team has what it takes. The real question is, will things actually work out for the Cowboys. Slick footballs, dropped balls and injuries have been factors in our playoff losses. However those two teams we lost to, went to the Superbowl. So...I have reason to believe. :)
 

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I guess if Romo upchucked in the Super Bowl on a potential game winning drive he would get credit for some big games too;)
 

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McNabb has played in more playoff games. True. He has won more playoff games. True.

But he is arguably the biggest big game choker in the NFL, currently. He never gets called on it because of the Rush Limbaugh backlash... but the fact remains....

He threw a game sealing interception against the Rams in the NFC Championship.

He threw a game sealing interception against the Bucs in the NFC Championship.

He threw three interceptions against the Panthers in the NFC Championships.

He threw three interceptions against the Patriots, and litterally THREW UP on the field, with the game still in reach!

He is the only QB in NFL history to lose 4 NFC Championships.

He has a career QB rating of just 85.9, but in the playoffs, his QB rating drops to 80.1.

He has spent his entire career with the same coaching staff, in the same QB-Friendly dink and dunk WCO, and with a one of the leagues most feared defenses year in and year out. And with his division being mediocre to bad for much of his career.

And despite all of that, he has yet to deliver a Championship.

Big game quarterback, my ***.

McNabb is OVERRATED.
 

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HoleInTheRoof;3186742 said:
McNabb has played in more playoff games. True. He has won more playoff games. True.

But he is arguably the biggest big game choker in the NFL, currently. He never gets called on it because of the Rush Limbaugh backlash... but the fact remains....

He threw a game sealing interception against the Rams in the NFC Championship.

He threw a game sealing interception against the Bucs in the NFC Championship.

He threw three interceptions against the Panthers in the NFC Championships.

He threw three interceptions against the Patriots, and litterally THREW UP on the field, with the game still in reach!

He is the only QB in NFL history to lose 4 NFC Championships.

He has a career QB rating of just 85.9, but in the playoffs, his QB rating drops to 80.1.

He has spent his entire career with the same coaching staff, in the same QB-Friendly dink and dunk WCO, and with a one of the leagues most feared defenses year in and year out. And with his division being mediocre to bad for much of his career.

And despite all of that, he has yet to deliver a Championship.

Big game quarterback, my ***.

McNabb is OVERRATED.
Facts and logic? Oh nosss....whats im gon do?
 

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HoleInTheRoof;3186742 said:
McNabb has played in more playoff games. True. He has won more playoff games. True.

But he is arguably the biggest big game choker in the NFL, currently. He never gets called on it because of the Rush Limbaugh backlash... but the fact remains....

He threw a game sealing interception against the Rams in the NFC Championship.

He threw a game sealing interception against the Bucs in the NFC Championship.

He threw three interceptions against the Panthers in the NFC Championships.

He threw three interceptions against the Patriots, and litterally THREW UP on the field, with the game still in reach!

He is the only QB in NFL history to lose 4 NFC Championships.

He has a career QB rating of just 85.9, but in the playoffs, his QB rating drops to 80.1.

He has spent his entire career with the same coaching staff, in the same QB-Friendly dink and dunk WCO, and with a one of the leagues most feared defenses year in and year out. And with his division being mediocre to bad for much of his career.

And despite all of that, he has yet to deliver a Championship.

Big game quarterback, my ***.

McNabb is OVERRATED.

:bow:
 

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as good an indictment of McFlabb as any I have ever read. Well done Hole.

He is protected by the sports media- no doubt about it. Any other QB who had that many failures in big games would have been ridiculed long ago.

As was pointed out he has had tremendous stability in team, management and coaching who have ALWAYS supported him, no matter what. He has been babied and given special treatment. I submit NO QB has been treated softer and easier over the last 10 years.
 

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Big-game history favors McNabb
POSTED: December 31, 2009

By Bob Brookover

Inquirer Staff Write

Wade Phillips laughed at the question.

The Dallas Cowboys' coach has never won a playoff game, so it's only natural that in his eyes, Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb, winner of nine playoff contests, has already established his greatness.

"It's only a big game if you lose," Phillips said, well aware of his sarcasm. "He's won a lot of big games, and he's won a lot of big games this year. There are a lot of big games in this league, and he has won 11 of them this year."

There's truth to that statement.

John Madden, who lost five AFL or AFC championship games before finally winning a Super Bowl with the Oakland Raiders, put it like this: "You will hear people say you can't win the big one, but you have to win a lot of big ones to get to the big one."

Madden, however, also said this: "Your last game is the one you have to live with. You keep hearing that and you just learn from it. What I learned is that winning the division doesn't mean anything and winning a playoff game doesn't mean anything.

"It's winning the Super Bowl that matters. You have to remember that at the end there's only one team left standing, and all the others are thrown into the heap as losers."

This is all relevant because, 11 wins aside, the Eagles' truly big games lie ahead, beginning with Sunday's meeting against Phillips' team at Cowboys Stadium.

"It's an exciting time," McNabb said before practice yesterday. "I think it comes at a great time for us because, leading into the playoffs, we want to make sure that we are clicking on all cylinders - and what better stage than to play in Dallas against one of our top rivals and for a lot on the line?"

If the Eagles win, they claim the NFC East title and a bye week as the second seed in the conference.

Like it or not, this is the time of year when most Hall of Fame quarterbacks stamp their tickets to Canton, and right now, McNabb's bus probably would stop in Akron.

McNabb's 9-6 playoff record is superior to the 0-4 mark Phillips has compiled as a coach and the 0-3 record of Dallas quarterback Tony Romo. McNabb's postseason numbers are certainly respectable, too. He has an 80.8 passer rating, with 23 touchdowns and 16 interceptions.

By comparison, Brett Favre, considered a Hall of Fame cinch, is 12-10 in the postseason, with an 85.2 passer rating. He has thrown 39 touchdown passes and 28 interceptions. The big difference is that Favre has won two NFC championship games and a Super Bowl.

Those top-tier games have mostly left McNabb with a hollow feeling.

McNabb, 33, is 8-1 in NFC wild-card and divisional playoff games, with an 86.4 passer rating. He has completed 61.3 percent of his passes in those games, and the Eagles have averaged 26.4 points.

When the stakes have risen to the level of the conference championship or Super Bowl, however, McNabb's record is 1-5 and his passer rating just 72.9. His completion percentage in those games is 57.3, and he has thrown nine touchdown passes and nine interceptions. The Eagles have averaged just 18.3 points in those games.

The Eagles, of course, are not playing in the Super Bowl this week, and McNabb left tire tracks on the Cowboys quite a few times at old Texas Stadium. The Eagles are happy he's on their side in this showdown at Dallas' new palatial digs.

"It's great to have Donovan there," running back Brian Westbrook said. "He's a guy that we know is going to come up big in the big situations. . . . Any time you have a guy like that on your side, you know that you have a chance to win the football game."

Phillips said the McNabb he had seen this season wasn't all that different from the one he had seen in the past.

"Same as I saw last year, the year before, and the year before that," Phillips said. "The guy is a great quarterback. He's a winner, he makes plays, and he's got some weapons that he hasn't had in past years, and you can see the result."

Eagles linebacker Jeremiah Trotter said the major difference between McNabb now and in the past was the number of weapons surrounding him.

"In 2004, he had T.O., who obviously was one of the best weapons in the game," Trotter said, referring to Terrell Owens. "But now, he has more. When you have more weapons like we do, the defense can't come out and try to scheme on one guy."

Maybe that's the formula that will finally keep McNabb and the Eagles from being thrown into the heap with the rest of the losers after the Super Bowl is played in Miami.
 

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HoleInTheRoof;3186742 said:
McNabb has played in more playoff games. True. He has won more playoff games. True.

But he is arguably the biggest big game choker in the NFL, currently. He never gets called on it because of the Rush Limbaugh backlash... but the fact remains....

He threw a game sealing interception against the Rams in the NFC Championship.

He threw a game sealing interception against the Bucs in the NFC Championship.

He threw three interceptions against the Panthers in the NFC Championships.

He threw three interceptions against the Patriots, and litterally THREW UP on the field, with the game still in reach!

He is the only QB in NFL history to lose 4 NFC Championships.

He has a career QB rating of just 85.9, but in the playoffs, his QB rating drops to 80.1.

He has spent his entire career with the same coaching staff, in the same QB-Friendly dink and dunk WCO, and with a one of the leagues most feared defenses year in and year out. And with his division being mediocre to bad for much of his career.

And despite all of that, he has yet to deliver a Championship.

Big game quarterback, my ***.

McNabb is OVERRATED.
Right on the friggin' :money:
 
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