PI on Claiborne?

[Doomsay]

But you can impede the ball to the receiver. So, once again, what is an "arm bar" exactly?

It's when the defender interferes with the receiver's ability to catch the ball by holding down one or two of the receiver's arms...usually it's the defender's arm extended horizontally above the receivers arms - essentially holding back the receivers arms.

 

[kycowboyfan]

I am more PO'ed about the Hatcher blow to the head penalty. He was trying to bat the ball down, not ht the QB in the head. Sometimes incidental contact happens. It was pretty clear he wasn't intending to hit the QB. Maybe still a penalty under the letter of the rule, but sheesh; its getting rather ticky tacky out there.

I agree it was incidental contact, but he did whack him pretty good. I didn't have a problem with that call, the Refs are gonna call that every time they are looking to protect the Qb's

 

[Ken]

It wasn't an armbar as it did not impede his progress. He was laying a hand on him to know where he is when looking for the ball. It is proper technique and the way I was taught...

 

[links18]

It's when the defender interferes with the receiver's ability to catch the ball by holding down one or two of the receiver's arms...usually it's the defender's arm extended horizontally above the receivers arms - essentially holding back the receivers arms.

OK, well that's just PI, isn't it?

 

[Doomsday101]

But you can impede the ball to the receiver. So, once again, what is an "arm bar" exactly?

Arm bar is CB taking his arm and extending it across the body of the WR to slow him down from getting to the ball. Best way I can describe it.

 

[Doomsday101]

OK, well that's just PI, isn't it?

Yes and that is what was called PI

 

[Doomsday101]

It wasn't an armbar as it did not impede his progress. He was laying a hand on him to know where he is when looking for the ball. It is proper technique and the way I was taught...

That to me was the questionable aspect of it. I saw what the ref saw but not as sure that it impeded the WR progress to the ball

 

[links18]

Arm bar is CB taking his arm and extending it across the body of the WR to slow him down from getting to the ball. Best way I can describe it.

Its what Deion did to Irvin in the '94 Championship Game?

 

[Doomsday101]

Its what Deion did to Irvin in the '94 Championship Game?

Deion did more than that. lol

PI often time is a judgement call. As far as I'm concerned it was a questionable call but I did see what the ref saw he could have allowed it to be a non call but I can't say he blew the call it was close.

 

[jrumann59]

I am more PO'ed about the Hatcher blow to the head penalty. He was trying to bat the ball down, not ht the QB in the head. Sometimes incidental contact happens. It was pretty clear he wasn't intending to hit the QB. Maybe still a penalty under the letter of the rule, but sheesh; its getting rather ticky tacky out there.

when you put in rules like this they make it black and white, like pollards hit on A. Johnson his hit would have been legal if johnson stayed on his feet but once a player starts his tackle he has no control of where he ultimately hits the ball carrier. Yet they have rules where the its the refs discretion on running into the kicker and if the kicker does something to initiate contact like in the giants game.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

. But we got away with Dez pushing off on that first score.

Are not receivers allowed to push off in the 5 yard area? Seems like "anything goes" in that 5 yard area...

 

[Doomsday101]

Are not receivers allowed to push off in the 5 yard area? Seems like "anything goes" in that 5 yard area...

sometimes, I have yet to hear anyone claim he did not get away with a push even Randy White and Nate Newton said he got away with one and laughed. As they said sometimes it goes for you sometimes aginst you.

 

[VirusX]

It was an arm bar. I thought it was a legit call. Unlike the Dez offensive PI last week. But we got away with Dez pushing off on that first score.

His arm was under the receivers. In order to go for the ball which DB's are allowed as long as they are playing on the ball that is legal... Plain and simple it was a bad call that allowed the Rams to put up points.

This is the 2nd bad call that lead to points in 3 games. Victor Cruz TD where he lost control & now the Rams game. In a league where the point spread for victory is less then 7 points on avg a single bad call can change the outcome of a game...

 

[links18]

His arm was under the receivers. In order to go for the ball which DB's are allowed as long as they are playing on the ball that is legal... Plain and simple it was a bad call that allowed the Rams to put up points.

This is the 2nd bad call that lead to points in 3 games. Victor Cruz TD where he lost control & now the Rams game. In a league where the point spread for victory is less then 7 points on avg a single bad call can change the outcome of a game...

Everything you say might be true, but what are we going to do about it?

 

[DogFace]

It wasn't an armbar as it did not impede his progress. He was laying a hand on him to know where he is when looking for the ball. It is proper technique and the way I was taught...

Correct

 

[Blackspider214]

sometimes, I have yet to hear anyone claim he did not get away with a push even Randy White and Nate Newton said he got away with one and laughed. As they said sometimes it goes for you sometimes aginst you.

Yeah I thought he got away with it. Actually was a lot worse than what he did last week in KC. Sometimes you get the calls, sometimes you don't. Just how it goes.

 

[Doomsay]

Arm bar is CB taking his arm and extending it across the body of the WR to slow him down from getting to the ball. Best way I can describe it.

I think the distinct element of an arm bar is the lack of a grasp or hold. The pressure of the arm is in some way impeding the receiver's ability to catch the ball, not necessarily slowing the player down. It seems to usually be called in a stride for stride scenario where the CB is trailing the receiver.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

It was a bad call IMO. He had great position on the receiver and knocked the ball down. Off topic, does anyone else have a LOT of problems typing responses since this site has changed. Regardless what computer I use, key strokes fail to show up in my posts. It's pretty frustrating.

I don't on my computer but it's hell when I'm on my phone.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I personally should feel the NFL should pull the refs in, possibly during the off season and say "Look, you can NOT nor WILL not determine the game" and i think the refs are encroaching in that field where they should be dictating the game instead of the video saying "hey, your call was bad, deal with it it" Its time for a big boy sit down and get to it.

Why is the "not" stressed in "can not" but the "will" is stressed in "will not"? This NFL official have a case of voice immodulation or something?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I think it was a good call. I had no problem with Claiborne do it. Some guys can get away with it. Richard Sherman gets away with it. Claiborne hasn't gotten ot htat point but that's a veteran move that veteran cb's get away with. I liked it though. I'll settle for it if Claiborne is going to continue to be aggressive.