Pictures of Dak's bad day

[Clove]

The fact of the matter is, your QB is the most important part of a team, period. I can keep going on and on about this until all of us die. You need a smart accurate QB in order to win in this league. The Chicago Bears had one of the best defenses ever, and won 1 super bowl. Philly had one of the best defenses ever, never won any. I can't count how many great QBs have won super bowls.

 

[Clove]

All these years and it still hasn't sunk in. Your QB has to be smart, accurate, and unphased. This is what I've been talking about all these years. People get caught up in stats, stats, stats, and they hardly take the time to watch how a QB responds to things. Stats won't win you Super Bowls, just ask Dan Marino. You need to play SMART, SMART football.

 

[DandyDon1722]

You'll learn. It's a QBs game. Lesson 1 in football.

And BAM! There it is.

Marino - Horrible.
Fouts - Terrible.
Tarkenton - Awful
Kelly - Loser
Moon - Worse
HOF - a Joke

Dilfer - Awesome
Rypien - Best Ever
Flacco - HOFer

And now finally we can all rest easy because with that statement there is never any need for any follow-up. No need to question anything else in the debate because with that one incredible statement you've let everybody know what we all assumed.

 

[Clove]

And BAM! There it is.

Marino - Horrible.
Fouts - Terrible.
Tarkenton - Awful
Kelly - Loser
Moon - Worse
HOF - a Joke

Dilfer - Awesome
Rypien - Best Ever
Flacco - HOFer

And now finally we can all rest easy because with that statement there is never any need for any follow-up. No need to question anything else in the debate because with that one incredible statement you've let everybody know what we all assumed.

Did you read the part about SMART QB play and being unphased? A QB that is not mentally tough will NEVER WIN. A QB that throws for the end zone instead of going for the first down on 4th down is not a smart QB. Read next time, please.

 

[Clove]

And BAM! There it is.

Marino - Horrible.
Fouts - Terrible.
Tarkenton - Awful
Kelly - Loser
Moon - Worse
HOF - a Joke

Dilfer - Awesome
Rypien - Best Ever
Flacco - HOFer
.

These QBs are HOFs for their numbers, not for the Championships. None of those QBs are tops on my list.

 

[DandyDon1722]

Did you read the part about SMART QB play and being unphased? A QB that is not mentally tough will NEVER WIN. A QB that throws for the end zone instead of going for the first down on 4th down is not a smart QB. Read next time, please.

Nope, sorry. I simply can't debate an irrational stance in the most team-oriented of all sports.

Brady is the most mentally tough QB in all of football and would not 5 games in Cleveland thereby completely eliminating your position. Even if you come off your stance just a little and agree that at least some part of the team other than the QB is responsible for winning Super Bowls you've contaminated your own argument.

So unless you say Cleveland would've won multiple Super Bowl with Brady as QB the last ten years everything is invalidated and with that -- I'll say good night.

 

[Clove]

Nope, sorry. I simply can't debate an irrational stance in the most team-oriented of all sports.

Brady is the most mentally tough QB in all of football and would not 5 games in Cleveland thereby completely eliminating your position. Even if you come off your stance just a little and agree that at least some part of the team other than the QB is responsible for winning Super Bowls you've contaminated your own argument.

So unless you say Cleveland would've won multiple Super Bowl with Brady as QB the last ten years everything is invalidated and with that -- I'll say good night.

How can you say something that has never happened? You're living in a fantasy bro. And by the way, your QBs you listed, some of those guys actually went to the Super Bowl, just didn't have what it takes to win it. This is a QBs game, it takes all the guys to win it, but without a smart QB, no one wins. You think Minnesota's going to win? Nope. If you think Seattle will win, look at Wilson. If you think New England's going to win, look at Brady. Look what happened right before Brady was eligible to play?

 

[Thefeelofcotton]

Jim Schwartz (the Eagles DC) said they wanted to get Dak out of his comfort zone by bringing pressure. They succeeded. For some odd reason, they held off the pressure in OT which allowed Dak to be able to sit back and make the throws we are accustomed to seeing.

I only hope the Eagles didn't show the rest of the league Dak's weakness for other teams to exploit later on.

 

[Thefeelofcotton]

Nope, sorry. I simply can't debate an irrational stance in the most team-oriented of all sports.

Brady is the most mentally tough QB in all of football and would not 5 games in Cleveland thereby completely eliminating your position. Even if you come off your stance just a little and agree that at least some part of the team other than the QB is responsible for winning Super Bowls you've contaminated your own argument.

So unless you say Cleveland would've won multiple Super Bowl with Brady as QB the last ten years everything is invalidated and with that -- I'll say good night.

To Danny's point: Peyton Manning, the best QB of our generation if not ever, had a very pedestrian post season, but yet still went on to win the Super Bowl. Why? His defense. Football IS a team oriented sport and while QB is a very important role, it isn't the sole responsibility for winning and losing. If Trent Dilfer and Kerry Collins can win, and get to the super bowl respectively, mainly because of their defense, it just proves that a mediocre QB can win with the right pieces around them.

 

[irving]

Purpose of this thread was not to make Dak look bad,it is to show he has a long way to go before he can play at Tonysno losers in this scenario.[/QUOT

Jim Schwartz (the Eagles DC) said they wanted to get Dak out of his comfort zone by bringing pressure. They succeeded. For some odd reason, they held off the pressure in OT which allowed Dak to be able to sit back and make the throws we are accustomed to seeing.

I only hope the Eagles didn't show the rest of the league Dak's weakness for other teams to exploit later on.

The problem is not every team will have the ability to execute the Eagles game plan. That's why the NFL game is all about match ups. Philly is division foe, did we forget that. Like many fans here, I have been watching the cowboys and the NFC East for long time, the games are never easy and are always a dog fight. But make no mistake about it, a lot of teams will not be able to do what Philly did to Dallas.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

That Dak found a way to win when he was clearly not at his best reveals more about him than the first six games combined.

He was 5-5 passing in overtime.

Where's the guy.... not the first guy... the second guy.... ?That said we would be lucky if he was a good backup at some point in his career?

you talked to the guy?

 

[Kevinicus]

There is absolutely a question about this. Troy Aikman and Roger Staubach, two guys who know firsthand what it takes to lead the Cowboys to Super Bowl victories, both say they would stick with Dak.

Neither would say Dak is a better quarterback. If that's what they said (I heard Troy allude to it, but not Roger), then I disagree with their reasoning.

 

[Kevinicus]

I guess I'll ask, how do any of us know he is a much better QB now, he still hasn't been cleared to dress out and now the owner is saying not until late in the year. In reality none of us can say what kind of QB he is right now.

"Right now" = when healthy.

 

[NeonDeion21]

I appreciate taking my pictures and citing them. Nice.

 

[JJHLH1]

Neither would say Dak is a better quarterback. If that's what they said (I heard Troy allude to it, but not Roger), then I disagree with their reasoning.

Staubach says you don't mess with what's working, and it's working really well right now.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ach-on-dak-or-romo-youre-winning-dont-change/

As others have mentioned on this thread Jimmy Johnson, Brett Farve, Tony Dungy, John Madden, Terry Bradshaw, Drew Pearson, Emmitt Smith, Neon Deion, and Bill Cowher also think Dak should remain the starter. Romo may get his chance to regain the starting job if Dak faulters or gets injured.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

The problem is not every team will have the ability to execute the Eagles game plan. That's why the NFL game is all about match ups. Philly is division foe, did we forget that. Like many fans here, I have been watching the cowboys and the NFC East for long time, the games are never easy and are always a dog fight. But make no mistake about it, a lot of teams will not be able to do what Philly did to Dallas.

And the thing is the MORE Dak sees that sort of thing the better.

It's all part of the education process.

He'll get better through repetition, much like Tony Romo did.

The "gotcha's" defenses spring on him now will benefit him in the future.

 

[Kevinicus]

Staubach says you don't mess with what's working, and it's working really well right now.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ach-on-dak-or-romo-youre-winning-dont-change/

As others have mentioned on this thread Jimmy Johnson, Brett Farve, Tony Dungy, John Madden, Terry Bradshaw, Drew Pearson, Emmitt Smith, Neon Deion, and Bill Cowher also think Dak should remain the starter. Romo may get his chance to regain the starting job if Dak faulters or gets injured.

I've heard what some of them have said (though all of it was before the Philly game, so they may have changed their mind). I've thought the logic was very faulty in every case. And it still is.

 

[Blackspider214]

Every QB has off days. Especially a rookie not even halfway into his first season. I've seen Peyton Manning bounce and sail balls in the playoffs in his prime.

All that mattered to me was he didn't get down and was accurate when it mattered to win the game. He overcame adversity.

 

[morasp]

Eagles did that to Big Ben and the Steelers too.

 

[JJHLH1]

I've heard what some of them have said (though all of it was before the Philly game, so they may have changed their mind). I've thought the logic was very faulty in every case. And it still is.

The Philly game is just another feather in Dak's cap. Rallying the team from a 10 point 4th quarter deficit against a very good defense showed that he can overcome a difficult situation and win the game when it matters most. I don't know why you think the Eagles game is a black mark on Dak's record. Didn't you see what the Eagles defense did against Big Ben in their 34-3 thrashing? The Eagles front 7 has a lot to do with that. Give credit where it is due.