News: PJM: For the Cowboys and Dak Prescott, the Metrics No Longer Make a Lick of Sense

Reality

Staff member
Messages
31,162
Reaction score
72,282
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan

But since Dak arrived in Dallas, no other team in NFL history has won 12 (or more) regular season games this many times without making — at a minimum — at least one NFC title game.
...
In the modern NFL, you can make a legitimate argument that teams would be more successful building a roster comprised of B- players paid C+ money than a team of B+ players paid A+ money, because there won’t be nearly enough A+ money for an entire roster.
...
At this point, the Cowboys’ best option would be to let him walk.
Paying a very good player like he’s the league’s best player depletes your funds and wrecks your depth. It leaves you with a team that — when healthy — is certainly capable of a 12-win regular season, but once it gets to the playoffs, its holes and weak links are just too easy to exploit.
Especially against a clever, tactical head coach, like a Kyle Shanahan in San Francisco.
 

gimmesix

Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life
Messages
39,703
Reaction score
36,791
But since Dak arrived in Dallas, no other team in NFL history has won 12 (or more) regular season games this many times without making — at a minimum — at least one NFC title game.
...
In the modern NFL, you can make a legitimate argument that teams would be more successful building a roster comprised of B- players paid C+ money than a team of B+ players paid A+ money, because there won’t be nearly enough A+ money for an entire roster.
...
At this point, the Cowboys’ best option would be to let him walk.
Paying a very good player like he’s the league’s best player depletes your funds and wrecks your depth. It leaves you with a team that — when healthy — is certainly capable of a 12-win regular season, but once it gets to the playoffs, its holes and weak links are just too easy to exploit.
Especially against a clever, tactical head coach, like a Kyle Shanahan in San Francisco.
This is not going to change whether we pay Dak or don't. The holes existed when he was on a rookie contract, they existed before he was even here and they are going to exist after he's gone. The holes are there because the Joneses choose to not participate in an aspect of team building, filling those holes with quality free agents.

We can get to the playoffs with those holes primarily because of the really good players we've gotten in the draft, but the playoff teams we face have filled their holes with quality FAs while we have not, and it comes back to bite us.

So many fans were happy to see Dan Quinn leave after this season, and Quinn definitely deserves some criticism, but Quinn also was forced to play a safety at linebacker because the GM of this team didn't fill that hole when LVE went down. He was forced to cover for a starting CB playing with a separated shoulder. He had to adjust his scheme for not having the type of DTs that wreak havoc on the inside. Quinn wasn't playing with a loaded deck. He had some very nice tools, but also weak links to be exploited.

The front office is the problem, but we get caught up in making this player or that player the scapegoat. Complete teams have won Super Bowls with less than Dak, with less than Romo, but this team has never been complete because the front office won't finish it when it's primed to compete.
 

TheMarathonContinues

Well-Known Member
Messages
83,503
Reaction score
76,341
People clearly love drinking the Jones’ kool-aid. When has this organization ever spent $$$ even with a relatively cheap qb. They certainly didn’t do it in the Dak era.
People don’t care what they’ve shown us they’d rather just play make believe.
 

RS12

Well-Known Member
Messages
32,448
Reaction score
29,644
Jimmy is 80 years old. I highly doubt what he says on these shows are worth anything.
Well sure you think that it goes against your agenda. Meanwhile Jimmy won a national championship as player and coach, college football hall of Fame. Won two Superbowls as a coach, architect of a championship roster and pro football hall of Fame. But yeah I am sure he doesn't know what he is talking about. Fill us in on your football resume. I am sure it is very similar.
 

TheMarathonContinues

Well-Known Member
Messages
83,503
Reaction score
76,341
Well sure you think that it goes against your agenda. Meanwhile Jimmy won a national championship as player and coach, college football hall of Fame. Won two Superbowls as a coach, architect of a championship roster and pro football hall of Fame. But yeah I am sure he doesn't know what he is talking about. Fill us in on your football resume. I am sure it is very similar.
I never said he didn’t know what he was talking about calm down champ. What I said was I highly doubt he’s giving Colin Cowerd any form of insightful football knowledge. He wouldn’t waste it on such a tool.
 

Tabascocat

Dexternjack
Messages
27,521
Reaction score
38,278
CowboysZone DIEHARD Fan
With or without Dak, this team isn’t sniffing an NFCG appearance. The Joneses don’t know how to build a championship team, they just pay the flashy players to market The franchise. It would be another mistake paying a good QB market setting money but it won’t make a difference in the end if he is extended or not…unfortunately.
 

plymkr

Well-Known Member
Messages
10,385
Reaction score
15,495
Ok, but did he say he was specifically referring to Dak or some other player?
He said it specifically when asked about Dak. He said the NFL has a QB salary problem. He also said Dak is a good player but not a great player and you shouldn’t pay a good player like a great player. He also said Jerry is in a bind on this one.
 

Nav22

Well-Known Member
Messages
14,383
Reaction score
17,653
Well sure you think that it goes against your agenda. Meanwhile Jimmy won a national championship as player and coach, college football hall of Fame. Won two Superbowls as a coach, architect of a championship roster and pro football hall of Fame. But yeah I am sure he doesn't know what he is talking about. Fill us in on your football resume. I am sure it is very similar.
Your spin on what Jimmy said is creative, I'll give you that.

He never said that the solution would be to let Dak (or any "good QB") walk.

In fact, he said it's a problem that the entire league is facing BECAUSE you need a good QB to win... which implies that the solution isn't nearly as simple as "let the guy walk!!"

Actual quote is below.



"The other thing is, he's got the quarterback situation with Dak Prescott, and I think the entire league's got a problem here because if you don't have a quality quarterback, you're not going to win right, everybody understands that,” Johnson said. “But the only thing is good quarterbacks are demanding great money and they're not great quarterbacks, they're not great players, but because their contract is up they're going to be the highest paid player at that position. This has kind of escalated here for the last couple of years because every owner is desperate and they understand they've got to have a quarterback, they've got to have a quality quarterback, and the quarterback money is taking too big of a piece of the pie as far as the salary cap.”
 
Last edited by a moderator:

DallasInDC

Well-Known Member
Messages
5,106
Reaction score
4,985
But since Dak arrived in Dallas, no other team in NFL history has won 12 (or more) regular season games this many times without making — at a minimum — at least one NFC title game.
...
In the modern NFL, you can make a legitimate argument that teams would be more successful building a roster comprised of B- players paid C+ money than a team of B+ players paid A+ money, because there won’t be nearly enough A+ money for an entire roster.
...
At this point, the Cowboys’ best option would be to let him walk.
Paying a very good player like he’s the league’s best player depletes your funds and wrecks your depth. It leaves you with a team that — when healthy — is certainly capable of a 12-win regular season, but once it gets to the playoffs, its holes and weak links are just too easy to exploit.
Especially against a clever, tactical head coach, like a Kyle Shanahan in San Francisco.
There are two fallacies in this argument...1) B- players are not going to accept C+ salaries, 2) JJ has c already proven over the years he is not going to invest the money saved to build a stronger roster. Every year we had gaps whether it was at WR, RB, DT, Ol, LB, and/or DB, JJ chose to ride with the lower talent we had than to go invest in FA... this was true when we had Romo on cheap contracts and it was true when we had Dak on a cheap contract.
 

Retro88

Well-Known Member
Messages
454
Reaction score
453
Your spin on what Jimmy said is creative, I'll give you that.

He never said that the solution would be to let Dak (or any "good QB") walk.

In fact, he said it's a problem that the entire league is facing BECAUSE you need a good QB to win... which implies that the solution isn't nearly as simple as "let the guy walk!!"

Actual quote is below.

He tried, @America's Cowboy.
:laugh:

"The other thing is, he's got the quarterback situation with Dak Prescott, and I think the entire league's got a problem here because if you don't have a quality quarterback, you're not going to win right, everybody understands that,” Johnson said. “But the only thing is good quarterbacks are demanding great money and they're not great quarterbacks, they're not great players, but because their contract is up they're going to be the highest paid player at that position. This has kind of escalated here for the last couple of years because every owner is desperate and they understand they've got to have a quarterback, they've got to have a quality quarterback, and the quarterback money is taking too big of a piece of the pie as far as the salary cap.”
Lmao, you seem shocked. I don't think people realize there's not many "great qbs" in the league....and none of them are in the nfc either
 
Top