play-by-play... more evidence against Garrett...

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The Dodger;3089445 said:
Then we're probably going to struggle and/or lose games to the better teams this year, at least the teams that have strong defenses and good defensive coorinators. In my opinion, what Garrett wants to run and what fits this team's personnel aren't the same thing. They don't have the talent to pull off his pass first philosophy, at least against the better competition. Sure, they'll stick it to some teams, but I'm very concerned about upcoming games against New York, San Diego, and New Orleans, not to mention playoff caliber teams if this team even makes it that far.


...bingo!
 

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This thread is funny... The Romo guys just wont quit! Next it will be Romo doesnt throw enough!


This is a QUARTERBACKS' LEAGUE enough with the excuses!
 

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MONT17;3089588 said:
This thread is funny... The Romo guys just wont quit! Next it will be Romo doesnt throw enough!


This is a QUARTERBACKS' LEAGUE enough with the excuses!

...i can appreciate that but you also have to keep your quarterback upright...
 

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khiladi;3089453 said:
Garrett has an uncanny ability to force himself into situations of 3rd and long,

I Guess Red is goosing Flozell to make him draw another five yarder, and missing blitz pickups all by himself. The man is everywhere.
 

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cowboyjoe;3089236 said:
Hey adam have u noticed that almost on every 2nd down, we passed?

I'm not Adam but as one who defends Garrett on most things I'll concede I see that trend in a lot of games too and think Jason should mix that up a little.
 

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AdamJT13;3089318 said:
No. Here are the second-down plays before we trailed 17-0 (and not including one second down in the two-minute offense) -- pass, run, pass, run, pass, run, pass, run, pass, pass.

We alternated passes and runs until the final play.

Shows me that if lapse and doubt Jason for a moment...I'm wrong.


When things aren't going well it's so easy and (almost always lame) to immediately blame the coach for the call. It usually is NOT the fault of the coach nor the call when a play doesn't work.
 

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khiladi;3089460 said:
Because you can't always be Superman. It was bound to happen...

Bingo. IMO we probably are just reverting to the mean. IIRC Romo's third and long conversion percentage was insane when he first took over, or at least that first full year he took over. He's good, but he's not David Buehler.

I do seriously wonder if that time period made such an impression on Garrett that he thinks he -- or Tony -- can keep that up. I don't think either can. There's a reason Parcells and most experienced coaches strive for manageable third down yardage.

And Parcells also emphasized that you don't give up on the run just because it isn't working perfectly at first. I know Parcells was overly conservative sometimes, but still, he wasn't crazy, either.
 

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One thing I noticed is that we seem to be much better in not having a large number of 3 & Out drives.

Last season I believe we ranked 28th in the league in 3 & Out drives.

This season, up until the Packers game where we had 5 of them, we were #1 in the league with just 11 drives where we went 3 & Out through 8 games.

For me, the biggest thing that needs to change about the offense is being more efficient in the red zone.

The Packers game was a prime example of poor play on individual levels throughout the game. It wasn't the same guy on every play, but rather seemed to be different individuals within each play that missed their assignments or didn't do their job well enough for the plays to be successful.

Obviously, we can't duplicate the performance by the players or the coaches in the Green Bay game and expect to be successful against any team in the NFL.
 

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The Dodger;3089445 said:
Then we're probably going to struggle and/or lose games to the better teams this year, at least the teams that have strong defenses and good defensive coorinators. In my opinion, what Garrett wants to run and what fits this team's personnel aren't the same thing. They don't have the talent to pull off his pass first philosophy, at least against the better competition. Sure, they'll stick it to some teams, but I'm very concerned about upcoming games against New York, San Diego, and New Orleans, not to mention playoff caliber teams if this team even makes it that far.

I beg to differ.

If we execute like we can and dont make mistakes, we can play our style of game gainst any team.

And when we do that, that's when we have the balanced game that we're all striving for, because despite what many of you believe, I can guarantee you that is Garrett's goal going into the majority of games.
 

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NextGenBoys;3089693 said:
I beg to differ.

If we execute like we can and dont make mistakes, we can play our style of game gainst any team.

And when we do that, that's when we have the balanced game that we're all striving for, because despite what many of you believe, I can guarantee you that is Garrett's goal going into the majority of games.
I agree that limiting mistakes would help them pull it off, but even as you typed that response did you not feel some doubt?

This team has not proven that they can play a relatively mistake free game on a consistent basis, so why would we expect them to from this point forward?

Again, and you may disagree, but I'm starting to feel that the talent just isn't good enough to do what Garrett wants to do. Mistake free football could compensate for that, but I just don't see that happening.

In 2007? Sure, that team was good enough to overcome almost anything. This one not so much.
 

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Arch Stanton;3089515 said:
6-3 ....the most telling stat.

some people don't give a damn about results.

you see, at 2-2 at best we were headed to 8-8 to the whiners.

at 6-2, with gb, the skins and oakland, we're 9-2 w/o doubt. but when we hit 6-3, we suck again.

they don't see where we're going, only where we are today.

we're headed for 8-8 so we suck get used to it.

suddenly we win a few games, we can't live up to renewed expectations when we lose again.

even though 8-8 was a forgone conclusion and losing was expected.

i really get tired of the stupid people of the world.
 

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NextGenBoys;3089693 said:
I beg to differ.

If we execute like we can and dont make mistakes, we can play our style of game gainst any team.

And when we do that, that's when we have the balanced game that we're all striving for, because despite what many of you believe, I can guarantee you that is Garrett's goal going into the majority of games.

the same dorks calling for balance are the same dorks saying we should take what the defense gives.

wild how those are not always the same.
 

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iceberg;3089809 said:
the same dorks calling for balance are the same dorks saying we should take what the defense gives.

wild how those are not always the same.

with my luck and the luck of those asking for more from the RBs, Garrett's gonna call 50 rushes and 11 passes, Dallas will win by 4 scores and we'll all just go nuts...:lmao2:
 

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The Dodger;3089785 said:
I agree that limiting mistakes would help them pull it off, but even as you typed that response did you not feel some doubt?

This team has not proven that they can play a relatively mistake free game on a consistent basis, so why would we expect them to from this point forward?

Again, and you may disagree, but I'm starting to feel that the talent just isn't good enough to do what Garrett wants to do. Mistake free football could compensate for that, but I just don't see that happening.

In 2007? Sure, that team was good enough to overcome almost anything. This one not so much.

Bingo, thats the thing. They make too many mistakes to be a consistently good team. It's a crapshoot as to what Dallas team is going to show up. I dont expect them to play mistake free ball, but I do hope for it, and know that it is possible.

And I think we're a better team right now than the 2007 team. That team got alot of bounces to go their way that year. We may not end up with a better record, but I think we can be better.

We just have to hope we can play relatively mistake free football and I like our chances going foward in whatever game we play.
 

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iceberg;3089808 said:
some people don't give a damn about results.

you see, at 2-2 at best we were headed to 8-8 to the whiners.

at 6-2, with gb, the skins and oakland, we're 9-2 w/o doubt. but when we hit 6-3, we suck again.

they don't see where we're going, only where we are today.

we're headed for 8-8 so we suck get used to it.

suddenly we win a few games, we can't live up to renewed expectations when we lose again.

even though 8-8 was a forgone conclusion and losing was expected.

i really get tired of the stupid people of the world.

I was a 9-7 guy before the season so 6-3 is ahead of the game for me.

I was disappointed with the GB game, but they simply outplayed us at the LOS.
 

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The Dodger;3089785 said:
I agree that limiting mistakes would help them pull it off, but even as you typed that response did you not feel some doubt?

This team has not proven that they can play a relatively mistake free game on a consistent basis, so why would we expect them to from this point forward?

Again, and you may disagree, but I'm starting to feel that the talent just isn't good enough to do what Garrett wants to do. Mistake free football could compensate for that, but I just don't see that happening.

In 2007? Sure, that team was good enough to overcome almost anything. This one not so much.

...again...bingo!

...this offense is not capable of playing mistake-free football, especially in close, tough and physical contests...this gets magnified in road games, where crowd noise plays a factor...Dallas is 31st in penalties [only Green Bay has more]...they're averaging ~8 per contest...9 in road games...they convert 48% third downs at home but only 33% on the road...30th in red-zone scoring percentage on the road...18th in completion percentage...9th in average passer rating...

...there's a significant difference between Dallas and more potent passing offenses like NE, IND and NO...NE in particular has really come on since the return of Welker and the removal of Galloway...and they are the #1 rated DVOA offense in the league now...
 

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Arch Stanton;3089840 said:
I was disappointed with the GB game, but they simply outplayed us at the LOS.

Bingo. But I'm sure that was Jason's fault too. :laugh2:
 

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Bob Sacamano;3089641 said:
you sound like Wade

13-3

If wins and losses aren't how you judge a team I don't know what to say. Wade just needs get more wins in the PLAYOFFS.

But guess what...we haven't played any playoff games yet this year, so 6-3 is the beginning, middle, and end of all facts about our season.
 
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