Player You Wish Was Never a Cowboy

[Hostile]

Without experience I'm afraid you cannot relate, sympathize or even come close to empathizing with. You just can't. By your own admission you have no experience with things Sualua was under the influence. So how can you relate with him psychologically, as an addict?

You will never know, because I will not discuss it on this forum.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Without experience I'm afraid you cannot relate, sympathize or even come close to empathizing with. You just can't. By your own admission you have no experience with things Sualua was under the influence. So how can you relate with him psychologically, as an addict?

You are 100% correct. In the past i would black out or forget things when i would drink too much. My wife never believed me, until it happened to her. Now she can see that it’s possible. I think the fact that Nicky was not in his right might is a lost point. He was on the same drugs that killed Mark! Not only that but Nicky brought him back to life, saved him while on these same killer drugs. Then drug him to his car...probably outweighs him by 100lbs! Got blankets and drove him home. Yea, he didn’t care about his friend.

 

[casmith07]

Friends don't let friends do drugs.

Thread over!

 

[thechosen1n2]

They call it different strokes for different folks. Your reason for a list will be different than mine which will be different than the next guy.

I know this better than anyone. Hells bells man, at one time there was an entire thread at a rival forum dedicated to repetitive, tired jokes at my expense. They have a smiley with my username as the path. It is pink and has a limp wrist. One poster there created an alter ego to write songs about me. They re-wrote classic Christmas Carols and poems to denigrate me. For all I know they still say and do these things.

My reaction...I'm simply not that damned important. But hey, whatever it takes to make them feel like big men they are welcome to.

In your mind it is different. Not everyone is going to think exactly the same. I put more power in their character off the field for this thread than on the field. Some will not. Some will assume that many players have issues that we never learn about, but we all can see what they do on the field.

I could easily be swayed to Rafael Septien being the player I most wish was never on this team. It is possible I could even be swayed to Dwayne Goodrich. No one could even make me put TO in my top 5. I don't pretend to be the guy's biggest fan, but I have different priorities for this criteria in this thread. The thing is I did not dictate to anyone why they have to think the way they do.

I didn't try and sway anyone, just like I would not be swayed about Nicky Sualua.

I am not shocked by one single person whose name appeared on this list, because I know how different people think and feel.

Respect. How can I hate that response.

 

[thechosen1n2]

I have never even smoked a cigarette or been drunk. I doubt I will ever be using heroine. I just think the ideas posted that he did the best he could for his friend given his own tragic circumstances are really hollow.

Now thats interesting. Neither have I, though no one ever believes me when I say it.

 

[thechosen1n2]

So is Mark a piece of crap too?

his "piece of crapness" ceased at death. His wages of sin have been absolved.

 

[theebs]

Now thats interesting. Neither have I, though no one ever believes me when I say it.

I have never smoked a cigarette. Lots of cigars, usually just goofing around with friends when cooking out when I was younger. And for what it is worth I have been drunk I think 2 times in my life....once was an accident and the other time I was drinking outside in the cold and when I went in I got the heat in my face was like uh oh im in trouble....but that was like 1998.

I just dont get any pleasure out of that stuff, waking up feeling like I have the flu is not something I care to do....!

but to each his own. My dad smoked from 14 to 50 and then quit. I will never touch the stupid things.

 

[Phoenix]

Ryan Leaf. By far.

 

[Hostile]

Now thats interesting. Neither have I, though no one ever believes me when I say it.

Raised by alcoholics. Didn't want that path. Football was my drug. I was afraid to do anything that could jeopardize my shot. Both of my brothers are addicts. I feel very lucky.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Unlike some people I don't need to experience everything to know it is not for me. But thank you for diagnosing my "problem." I'd ask to see your degree to qualify you to make that diagnosis, but I am too pissed off to care whether you are qualified or not.

No but you certainly are more than prepared to not have any experience with a thing and then come to pass judgment as to what was done regarding said thing.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I have never even smoked a cigarette or been drunk. I doubt I will ever be using heroine. I just think the ideas posted that he did the best he could for his friend given his own tragic circumstances are really hollow.

Dear god you truly are naive. Its not that he did the best that he could. Its that he did all that was expected of him if you are coming from the expectations of the people that were actually involved.

NEEDLE FREAKS AND JUNKIES DO NOT WANT TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL AND THEY DO NOT WANT YOU TO CALL 911. You can sit there and say that you would have done this or that but that is neither here nor there. If your going to cite different strokes for different folks then you need to eat your feedback.

Resuscitating someone and taking them home is not letting them die. Going to sleep when they are breathing is not letting someone die. Typically when someone comes out of the OD it gets better as the drug wears off.

 

[Hostile]

No but you certainly are more than prepared to not have any experience with a thing and then come to pass judgment as to what was done regarding said thing.

We all do. You have no experience as an NFL player. Yet you have opinions. All our lives we develop opinions. To be told by someone that we are not entitled to them because "we have not experienced" something they think is vital to those developed opinions is plain old nonsense and insulting.

How do you know what experiences I have had that may lead to my opinions? You don't. I have experiences that lead me to my opinions the same as any other human being.

I lost a child. I will never tell you that you cannot imagine the pain of losing a child unless you lose one. How the hell would I know? Perhaps your closest friend or sibling has lost a child and you shared their pain. Perhaps you yourself lost a sibling and know your parents pain.

Are these experiences the exact same as mine? Of course not. But for me to say you cannot have an opinion on the pain because you personally have not experienced it, is just wrong in my opinion.

Know me better and what I have been through in my life before you make an assumption like that. I never partook of drugs. But if you think they haven't had a crucial role in my life, then you are quite simply wrong. You don't know what I have seen or what has happened around me.

I have reasons for every opinion I have mang. I am not a person who wanders around blindly and follows a company line. If I feel strongly about something there is a reason for it. I feel strongly about this.

Hate me for my opinion, disagree with me, think I am dead wrong. Fine. But please don't tell me I have no right to judge because I haven't experienced something. I have experienced more than you can even fathom without my divulging a lot of skeletons that I really have no desire to bring to the open. My childhood was a nightmare that you can't even begin to imagine at this point. Nor do I wish to share some of it.

I've had one hell of a life fuzz. My eyes weren't closed as it was happening around me.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We all do. You have no experience as an NFL player. Yet you have opinions. All our lives we develop opinions. To be told by someone that we are not entitled to them because "we have not experienced" something they think is vital to those developed opinions is plain old nonsense and insulting.

How do you know what experiences I have had that may lead to my opinions? You don't. I have experiences that lead me to my opinions the same as any other human being.

I lost a child. I will never tell you that you cannot imagine the pain of losing a child unless you lose one. How the hell would I know? Perhaps your closest friend or sibling has lost a child and you shared their pain. Perhaps you yourself lost a sibling and know your parents pain.

Are these experiences the exact same as mine? Of course not. But for me to say you cannot have an opinion on the pain because you personally have not experienced it, is just wrong in my opinion.

Know me better and what I have been through in my life before you make an assumption like that. I never partook of drugs. But if you think they haven't had a crucial role in my life, then you are quite simply wrong. You don't know what I have seen or what has happened around me.

I have reasons for every opinion I have mang. I am not a person who wanders around blindly and follows a company line. If I feel strongly about something there is a reason for it. I feel strongly about this.

Hate me for my opinion, disagree with me, think I am dead wrong. Fine. But please don't tell me I have no right to judge because I haven't experienced something. I have experienced more than you can even fathom without my divulging a lot of skeletons that I really have no desire to bring to the open. My childhood was a nightmare that you can't even begin to imagine at this point. Nor do I wish to share some of it.

I've had one hell of a life fuzz. My eyes weren't closed as it was happening around me.

No one is asking you about specifics. I have more than a feeling that it hits very close to home and I have too much respect for that.

To me what this really boils down to is more of a euthanasia thing. You have stated repeatedly that you would not care about going to jail or whatever you would take him to the hospital. I would have as well but that is not what Tuinei or Sualua wanted.

For example if Tuinei did not want to go to the hospital or did not want to have aid rendered then is Sualua still at fault in you r mind? I think the answer is clearly yes. OTOH, pretty much all hardcore users are very antiauthoritarian and anti cop/911 etc. You dont want to go unless you absolutely have to go.

When I say you talk like you have zero basis to form an opinion it is based on your simply ignoring that.

As for lifestyle, I moved illicit materials around north and south texas, i have gone to check on friends and found them dead from OD, ive had friends shot and killed in bad drug deal, i have three friends killed in a home invasion, the worst was the one that got me out of the game. One friend called about another friend concerned . I had to work so I told him no the cpouldnt come over. HE ended up all twacked out on GHB and go knows whatelse and killed himself jumping off an interstate overpass. Ive seen junkies all the way from a doctor living in a 6000 sq ft home to squatters in abandoned homes.

The thing is that most junkies typically panic and leave thats why I found my friend dead.

 

[Jon88]

I'm so sorry you lost a child, Hostile.

I lost a dog to a car accident and I was out of it for about a week. I still miss that dog.

I can't imagine what losing a child would be like. I've never had children but I love kids. It must have been tragic.

 

[Jon88]

My childhood was a nightmare too. It was very bad. I got caught in the middle of a bitter divorse and my parents played me right in the middle. I would NEVER do that do my child but they did it. My mom disclosed what was going on and falsely accused my dad of things. My dad is not a good person but she followed her dad in smearing him. It's a nightmare that is still being worked out.