Player You Wish Was Never a Cowboy

[Eldorado]

Nicky provided the drugs that killed Tuinei. They revived him one time, dragged his body down stairs to a car, and didn't get him medical help.

Then Nicky fell asleep and let Tuinei die.

He is a worthless piece of trash in my book.

I really don't want to get into a debate, that isn't what this is for. I think what Saulua did was horrible, and I think that he knows it. But to be completely honest, the boldened phrase isn't correct at all.

The moment Tuinei decided that getting high was more important than staying healthy, he let himself die. This isn't like the dude got shot, was bleeding out, and nobody helped him. A football player, with more money than anyone who posts on this board, gave his entire family, fan base, and organization the finger the minute he decided to inject heroin.

He's a drug addict, and while nobody deserves to die, you'd be hard pressed to get me to believe he deserved to live.

 

[WV Cowboy]

He paid the ultimate price while his "buddy" got scared straight and lived on ... but all he had to do was drop Tui off at a Hospital or call 911 but leaving a dude foaming at the mouth in the throes of an OD is unforgivable IMHO. He made a judgment and a guy died. That's neglect at best.

From the article it seems that he did not neglect his friend.

Sualua said Tuinei was alive when he dragged the 6-foot-5, 320-pound ex-offensive lineman from the apartment to his car. Sualua then drove to Tuinei's house in Plano, suburban Dallas. Sualua got two blankets from the house and slept in the car with Tuinei until about 5:30 a.m. Thursday, he told police.

To drag 6'5", 320 pounds of deadweight from his apartment to a car seems like he tried to do something.

He slept in the car with him, he didn't abandon or neglect him.

We don't know much about their life/times together. We don't know why he made the decision that he did. Maybe he had seen MT like this many times before, and he always came out of it. So he figured this time was no different.

We don't know, maybe MT told him to never let this get public, so he didn't want to take him to the hospital or call 911.

This was a tragic incident, horrible for his family left to pick up the pieces.

BTW, there are thousands upon thousands of former drug users who almost died from OD's that later cleaned up their act.

I am sure you are right about some cleaning up their act, but I'm sure if you put statistics to it, more get worse than get better.

Also from the article, even Tuinei himself knew cleaning up his act was a long shot.

In 1993, he told The Dallas Morning News that he could not say he had turned his life around.
"It's a day-to-day, year-to-year battle," he said. "I know that I'm always going to run into trouble of some kind. I just need to make sure I handle it."

He finally run into trouble that even he could not handle.

If you know the bond two friends can have, I think Tuinei would be the first to say that Sualua was not responsible for what happened.

We all have to live with the consequences of our decisions. The consequences of this decision was death.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

If you know the bond two friends can have, I think Tuinei would be the first to say that Sualua was not responsible for what happened.

We all have to live with the consequences of our decisions. The consequences of this decision was death.

I am sure both were very close. They were both from Hawaii i believe. Nicky was a backup fullback, hmm. I went back and read a few articles about this tragic situation and i just don’t see the reason to blame him. Seems like they were wanting to do drugs, things went wrong, Nicky didnt know how to handle the situation without getting them in trouble. Once they were in the car, Nicky says Tuinei was snoring loudly, so he assumed he was ok. Not like he was there laughing as Mark layed lifeless next to him. He also never got charged with any crimes.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

The moment Tuinei decided that getting high was more important than staying healthy, he let himself die. This isn't like the dude got shot, was bleeding out, and nobody helped him. A football player, with more money than anyone who posts on this board, gave his entire family, fan base, and organization the finger the minute he decided to inject heroin.

With this portion of what you wrote, you couldn't be more right. Nicky Suala didn't hold down Mark so he could shoot up what is commonly known as a lethal drug. That's absurd.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

3 first round picks a 3rd and 6th.

We got useless and even more useless out of them.

And yet that still pales, greatly, in comparison to a guy who molested a child and another who flashed his stuff at a kid.

It also pales in comparison, a great deal, to some of the other off the field junk that has went on from a number of our players.

 

[JustDezIt]

With this portion of what you wrote, you couldn't be more right. Nicky Suala didn't hold down Mark so he could shoot up what is commonly known as a lethal drug. That's absurd.

The only thing i ever said was that he was PARTIALLY responsible. of course it his own fault in the end. but to say he has no blame is not right either in my opinion. sorry if people dont agree with my opinion, we will just have to agree to disagree. NOONE SAID ITS ALL HIS FAULT. just that he played a role.

 

[Hostile]

I knew he would be on some list as well, but Dang, on top of the most hated player ever. If I was an owner, TO wouldnt be on this team this year either (i would have kept him last year) but he was a huge part of 2 playoff runs ( 2 of 3 in a four year span) that we simply werent use to seeing as dallas fans for a long time. So any key part of those playoff runs dont deserve to be on the list...TO, quincy, newman, juilus, roy williams (s, or wr) Romo, Ellis.

They call it different strokes for different folks. Your reason for a list will be different than mine which will be different than the next guy.

Its similiar to this. If someone made a post about the most hated posters on this board. Hostile you would be on the list because of your hard non budging sarcastic stances.If I posted more, I may be as well because I take hard stances, but at least there is reasoning behind the stances, but even if they dont like you they cant say you dont bring anything to the board. You bring reasoning and a basis behind your reasoning (even if i dont agree with your reasoning all the time).

I know this better than anyone. Hells bells man, at one time there was an entire thread at a rival forum dedicated to repetitive, tired jokes at my expense. They have a smiley with my username as the path. It is pink and has a limp wrist. One poster there created an alter ego to write songs about me. They re-wrote classic Christmas Carols and poems to denigrate me. For all I know they still say and do these things.

My reaction...I'm simply not that damned important. But hey, whatever it takes to make them feel like big men they are welcome to.

That is so different than I hate him and I hate him more than drunken killers, gun shooting, child molesters. So its not delusion, or mock shock of him being on a list, its more of a shock where on the totem pole he is placed.

In your mind it is different. Not everyone is going to think exactly the same. I put more power in their character off the field for this thread than on the field. Some will not. Some will assume that many players have issues that we never learn about, but we all can see what they do on the field.

I could easily be swayed to Rafael Septien being the player I most wish was never on this team. It is possible I could even be swayed to Dwayne Goodrich. No one could even make me put TO in my top 5. I don't pretend to be the guy's biggest fan, but I have different priorities for this criteria in this thread. The thing is I did not dictate to anyone why they have to think the way they do.

I didn't try and sway anyone, just like I would not be swayed about Nicky Sualua.

I am not shocked by one single person whose name appeared on this list, because I know how different people think and feel.

 

[Hostile]

3 first round picks a 3rd and 6th.

We got useless and even more useless out of them.

I am going to agree with DE. Your opinion on this doesn't mean squat to me because I think your reasoning is completely faulty. Thus your "correct answer" doesn't even begin to impress me and your reasoning makes it even more hollow.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I am going to agree with DE. Your opinion on this doesn't mean squat to me because I think your reasoning is completely faulty. Thus your "correct answer" doesn't even begin to impress me and your reasoning makes it even more hollow.

Poor kid has a lot to learn. LOL

 

[Hostile]

A note to anyone here who considers me a friend. If I ever stop breathing, don't drag me to a car, or sleep with me in the car. Call me an ambulance. Let them pick me up right there.

Thank you.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

The only thing i ever said was that he was PARTIALLY responsible. of course it his own fault in the end. but to say he has no blame is not right either in my opinion. sorry if people dont agree with my opinion, we will just have to agree to disagree. NOONE SAID ITS ALL HIS FAULT. just that he played a role.

He didn't play a role in what killed him. Mark did that by himself. He was an adult who made a bad decision, one that took his life. Had Mark not used heroine, he'd likely still be alive today.

Grown ups don't need babysitters. Mark was a grown up.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

A note to anyone here who considers me a friend. If I ever stop breathing, don't drag me to a car, or sleep with me in the car. Call me an ambulance. Let them pick me up right there.

Thank you.

As your friend, I advise you not to use heroine with other heroine users (friends) who may not possess a fit mind while under the influence, if by chance you overdose and need to be revived. If your friend is incoherent (which is one effect of heroine), chances are you won't have anyone to call an ambulance.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

The only thing i ever said was that he was PARTIALLY responsible. of course it his own fault in the end. but to say he has no blame is not right either in my opinion. sorry if people dont agree with my opinion, we will just have to agree to disagree. NOONE SAID ITS ALL HIS FAULT. just that he played a role.

I wholly disagree. Mark was fully responsible for his own death the minute he decided to mainline heroine. Unless Sualua held him down and made him do it, then he had no role whatsoever in his death.

 

[DallasEast]

3 first round picks a 3rd and 6th.

We got useless and even more useless out of them.

swish! --------->
<Your head here>

 

[DallasEast]

A note to anyone here who considers me a friend. If I ever stop breathing, don't drag me to a car, or sleep with me in the car. Call me an ambulance. Let them pick me up right there.

Thank you.

Deal.

Hostile, if we had the misfortune of standing side-by-side at the Alamo, I couldn't have picked a better guy to go down shooting with. When you pick a fight, you're in it to the bitter end. :toast: , my friend.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I wholly disagree. Mark was fully responsible for his own death the minute he decided to mainline heroine. Unless Sualua held him down and made him do it, then he had no role whatsoever in his death.

Hmmm...well I almost agree right up until that last part right there.

I agree that Mark is 110% the biggest reason he is dead and the fact is that Hos has never said anything different to that fact.

However if you sit around and watch a person die, rather you made them take the drug, or the poison, or load the gun they shot themselves with, if you sit there and don't get them medical attention then, yeah, you played a role in their death.

It's much like, IMO, if you're out driving after a night of partying and you see another person crash their car. If you drive off, and do nothing, simply because you've been drinking as well then, yeah, I think you played a role in their death cause you did nothing.

It doesn't make you the biggest reason, it doesn't mean it was your fault that they drank, or did drugs, or shot themselves. Every single bit of that is completely on the person who does that to themselves.

But if you're there and you don't do anything to get the person help, to get them the medical attention they need for their stupidity, then, yeah, I'm going to tell you that you played a role in their death and you should be ashamed of yourself, as a human being, for not doing the right thing and getting them the medical attention.

 

[Hostile]

As your friend, I advise you not to use heroine with other heroine users (friends) who may not possess a fit mind while under the influence, if by chance you overdose and need to be revived. If your friend is incoherent (which is one effect of heroine), chances are you won't have anyone to call an ambulance.

I have never even smoked a cigarette or been drunk. I doubt I will ever be using heroine. I just think the ideas posted that he did the best he could for his friend given his own tragic circumstances are really hollow.

 

[Hostile]

Deal.

Hostile, if we had the misfortune of standing side-by-side at the Alamo, I couldn't have picked a better guy to go down shooting with. When you pick a fight, you're in it to the bitter end. :toast: , my friend.

Back when I was in High School a traveling fair came through town. Rides and games and all that crap. There was a game where you could win posters by throwing darts. One of the posters was a tiny mouse who was being swooped down upon by an eagle with his talons bared. The mouse was flipping off the eagle. The poster had these words on it below the mouse, "Last great act of defiance."

5 of my friends won that poster and gave it to me. They said it reminded them of me.

DE, if we go down, we're going to be firing our guns until the barrels melt down and then we are using them as bludgeons. There is no French in me amigo. I am going to die with my boots on and my dignity intact.

 

[Jon88]

Back when I was in High School a traveling fair came through town. Rides and games and all that crap. There was a game where you could win posters by throwing darts. One of the posters was a tiny mouse who was being swooped down upon by an eagle with his talons bared. The mouse was flipping off the eagle. The poster had these words on it below the mouse, "Last great act of defiance."

5 of my friends won that poster and gave it to me. They said it reminded them of me.

DE, if we go down, we're going to be firing our guns until the barrels melt down and then we are using them as bludgeons. There is no French in me amigo. I am going to die with my boots on and my dignity intact.

Awwwww.

 

[JustDezIt]

I wholly disagree. Mark was fully responsible for his own death the minute he decided to mainline heroine. Unless Sualua held him down and made him do it, then he had no role whatsoever in his death.

You are entitled to your opinion, as am I. Now i fully understand