Players Dallas has shown interest in

[CATCH17]

I do not understand this ridiculous fascination with "versatility". People are doing it with Myles Jack and they are doing it with Ramsey.

So who here believes for one second that Rod Marinelli can and will maximize these qualities within the scheme of his defense?

If you believe he will, you really do not know what he does defensively, nor do you really understand how it operates.

If we were running a variable scheme, much like what the Cardinals run, with wildcard players like Deonne Bucannon and Tyrann Mathieu installed, I would understand.

We do not. We run a standard 4-3 defense. We do not vary fronts with a lot of regularity. We certainly do not have blitzing as a big part of the scheme. Marinelli might go away from his roots here and there, but always comes back to what he is comfortable with.

His best position is safety. It was where he actually made plays from. Are we putting him there and leaving Byron Jones at CB?

The defense needs playmakers and stability. Not another experiment like Byron Jones where it took most of the season for them (and him) to figure things out.

lol you're right.

 

[CATCH17]

I've said Buckner for a while now too. Jack makes some sense but not enough. Ramsey will probably be gone. Just say NO to Bosa.

Trade down + Shaq Lawson over both.

 

[jwooten15]

If he's there at 34 And we take him ill do cartwheels naked . If we pass on him I'll never go to cowboys stadium again . I think he's special. A top 5 player in this draft.

Could you imagine how different our defense would look and perform just by replacing Hayden with Billings?!

Not only does this kid eat up blocks, but he gets to the backfield and wreaks havoc as well. Looks like a man vs boys on tape sometimes.

 

[Direwolf63]

I've said Buckner for a while now too. Jack makes some sense but not enough. Ramsey will probably be gone. Just say NO to Bosa.

Buckner scored a 9 on his Wonderlic. I'm tired of having dumb players on this team.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I do not understand this ridiculous fascination with "versatility". People are doing it with Myles Jack and they are doing it with Ramsey.

Versatility is a good trait to have for a plethora of reasons.

It shows that the player is smart enough to understand different positions and athletic enough to actually play those positions. If you go into the science of it, neuroscientists will tell you that being able to play different positions will actually improve the chances that the player can become an expert at 1 position down the road. It's very much along the lines of why Urban Meyer doesn't take many recruits that only play football in high school.

But going beyond that, versatility helps when it comes to injuries as well. In 2014, we lost Sean Lee and had McClain and Bruce Carter battling injuries. But, Justin Durant and Anthony Hitchens could play each of the 3 positions competently. So, we just moved Durant and Hitchens around depending on the health of Carter and McClain. Then Durant went down, but we could move Hitchens and ended the season with McClain at the MIKE and Carter at the SAM. Imagine if McClain and Carter could move around as well.

But because they really couldn't and Carter could only play consistently from the SAM, it was important that we were able to adjust thru the versatility of Hitchens and Durant.

Then you take the versatility of Byron Jones and he works in a similar fashion, except he showed that he can play against most top WR's and in particular, play big WR's and TE's very well one-on-one. If you're playing against Alshon Jeffrey and want to shut him down, it's nice to have a Byron Jones that can lock on him while the rest of the secondary plays their normal position. But, we're not going against Alshon Jeffrey each week, so it's nice to have Byron play where he's needed.

As far as Marinelli goes, there's certainly no guarantee that he will be here in 2017. I find great value in versatility in players (which is something that Belichick preaches constantly) and I think it's ill advised to shy away from a talented, versatile prospect because you think your D-Coordinator won't get the most out of them. Especially when your D-Coordinator is 66-years old and there's a decent chance that your HC could be gone after this season.







YR

 

[Alexander]

Versatility is nice as an additional component, but when the first thing you can come up with is that, you run into a jack of all trades situation. The jump from college to the pros is hard enough. Give the player a chance to master a position.

 

[tyke1doe]

Buckner scored a 9 on his Wonderlic. I'm tired of having dumb players on this team.

yyaaammmm!

 

[tyke1doe]

Versatility is a good trait to have for a plethora of reasons.

It shows that the player is smart enough to understand different positions and athletic enough to actually play those positions. If you go into the science of it, neuroscientists will tell you that being able to play different positions will actually improve the chances that the player can become an expert at 1 position down the road. It's very much along the lines of why Urban Meyer doesn't take many recruits that only play football in high school.

But going beyond that, versatility helps when it comes to injuries as well. In 2014, we lost Sean Lee and had McClain and Bruce Carter battling injuries. But, Justin Durant and Anthony Hitchens could play each of the 3 positions competently. So, we just moved Durant and Hitchens around depending on the health of Carter and McClain. Then Durant went down, but we could move Hitchens and ended the season with McClain at the MIKE and Carter at the SAM. Imagine if McClain and Carter could move around as well.

But because they really couldn't and Carter could only play consistently from the SAM, it was important that we were able to adjust thru the versatility of Hitchens and Durant.

Then you take the versatility of Byron Jones and he works in a similar fashion, except he showed that he can play against most top WR's and in particular, play big WR's and TE's very well one-on-one. If you're playing against Alshon Jeffrey and want to shut him down, it's nice to have a Byron Jones that can lock on him while the rest of the secondary plays their normal position. But, we're not going against Alshon Jeffrey each week, so it's nice to have Byron play where he's needed.

As far as Marinelli goes, there's certainly no guarantee that he will be here in 2017. I find great value in versatility in players (which is something that Belichick preaches constantly) and I think it's ill advised to shy away from a talented, versatile prospect because you think your D-Coordinator won't get the most out of them. Especially when your D-Coordinator is 66-years old and there's a decent chance that your HC could be gone after this season.

YR

I think you just made the case for Ramsey to the Cowboys at #4.

 

[Risen Star]

I do not understand this ridiculous fascination with "versatility". People are doing it with Myles Jack and they are doing it with Ramsey.

So who here believes for one second that Rod Marinelli can and will maximize these qualities within the scheme of his defense?

If you believe he will, you really do not know what he does defensively, nor do you really understand how it operates.

If we were running a variable scheme, much like what the Cardinals run, with wildcard players like Deonne Bucannon and Tyrann Mathieu installed, I would understand.

We do not. We run a standard 4-3 defense. We do not vary fronts with a lot of regularity. We certainly do not have blitzing as a big part of the scheme. Marinelli might go away from his roots here and there, but always comes back to what he is comfortable with.

His best position is safety. It was where he actually made plays from. Are we putting him there and leaving Byron Jones at CB?

The defense needs playmakers and stability. Not another experiment like Byron Jones where it took most of the season for them (and him) to figure things out.

That's short sighted. Only thinking of the present. You're drafting these guys for a potential 10 years and adding versatile players is never a bad thing. It gives the team options going forward.

 

[Alexander]

That's short sighted. Only thinking of the present. You're drafting these guys for a potential 10 years and adding versatile players is never a bad thing. It gives the team options going forward.

So on board for Jack or Ramsey instead of Wentz. Noted.

 

[manster4ever]

Trade down + Shaq Lawson over both.

HECK yes. I've said for about 2 months we should trade down. Shaq Lawson? Yes please. Buckner, Lawson or Rankins would be great. I was just playing along with the other posters. I really want to trade down. I don't THINK SD will trade down. They want Ramsey or Tunsil. I think TN takes Tunsil, Cleveland takes Wentz and SD takes Ramsey. Leaves us with MANY suitors that need a QB willing to trade up: SF, Philly, LA, Houston and/or N.Orleans even. That's 4 or 5 teams we could draw into a bidding war which would be awesome frankly.

 

[jnday]

darren woodson is overrated by cowboy fans. ramsey will be better

If you believe the dribble that is posted here , some fans actually believe that . Bless their heart , they can't help themselves.

 

[jnday]

Buckner scored a 9 on his Wonderlic. I'm tired of having dumb players on this team.

That is Mo's level of test results. There seems to he's lot of dummies in this game.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Versatility is nice as an additional component, but when the first thing you can come up with is that, you run into a jack of all trades situation. The jump from college to the pros is hard enough. Give the player a chance to master a position.

Oh okay.

 

[jnday]

I agree but I'm looking at it from Jerry/Stephen's perspective. I just can't see them pulling the trigger on a QB so high with them believing/hoping Romo is their guy for another 3+ years.

They are not looking at it from any perspective . Ray Charles could have seen the smart thing to do here for the long term success of the team.

 

[Hoofbite]

Buckner scored a 9 on his Wonderlic. I'm tired of having dumb players on this team.

I'm not sure I was use a pick on a player with less than a 10.

Stupidity is just too much of a liability these days.

 

[jnday]

I'm not sure I was use a pick on a player with less than a 10.

Stupidity is just too much of a liability these days.

This team needs speed and intelligence . Those are the two things that are rare at the present time.

 

[Leadbelly]

Mo scored a 4. He got his name right...maybe.

Buckner is more than twice as good at test prep than Mo. He's basically a genius in comparison.

 

[Alexander]

http://www.nfl.com/labs/rr/pathtothedraft/prescott?sf22251108=1

Officially down for a workout.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I do not understand this ridiculous fascination with "versatility". People are doing it with Myles Jack and they are doing it with Ramsey.

So who here believes for one second that Rod Marinelli can and will maximize these qualities within the scheme of his defense?

If you believe he will, you really do not know what he does defensively, nor do you really understand how it operates.

If we were running a variable scheme, much like what the Cardinals run, with wildcard players like Deonne Bucannon and Tyrann Mathieu installed, I would understand.

We do not. We run a standard 4-3 defense. We do not vary fronts with a lot of regularity. We certainly do not have blitzing as a big part of the scheme. Marinelli might go away from his roots here and there, but always comes back to what he is comfortable with.

His best position is safety. It was where he actually made plays from. Are we putting him there and leaving Byron Jones at CB?

The defense needs playmakers and stability. Not another experiment like Byron Jones where it took most of the season for them (and him) to figure things out.

I could see Jones and Ramsay at safety. That would be huge in fixing the safety spots for the next 7 years or so