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[IrishAnto]

Sure. But that's not the barometer of "truly competitive"

Was Baltimore "truly competitive" last year?

So what's your definition of success then?
What bar do you measure it against?

 

[Future]

So what's your definition of success then?
What bar do you measure it against?

I don't have one because it's a pointless exercise.

By your own standard, Baltimore wasn't "truly competitive" last year. The 13-3 Cowboys of 2007 or 2016 weren't "truly competitive." That's why this line of thinking is just totally useless. There are too many factors that influence winning - especially in the playoffs - to use a specific benchmark.

 

[IrishAnto]

I don't have one because it's a pointless exercise.

By your own standard, Baltimore wasn't "truly competitive" last year. The 13-3 Cowboys of 2007 or 2016 weren't "truly competitive." That's why this line of thinking is just totally useless. There are too many factors that influence winning - especially in the playoffs - to use a specific benchmark.

Since you bring up Baltimore (again) compare and contrast what Baltimore has done in the last 25 years to what the Cowboys have done.

Maybe I use "truly competitive" in the same way you use "Important".

 

[Future]

Since you bring up Baltimore (again) compare and contrast what Baltimore has done in the last 25 years to what the Cowboys have done.

Maybe I use "truly competitive" in the same way you use "Important".

Was Baltimore "truly competitive" last year?

I will keep bringing it up until you answer.

 

[IrishAnto]

Was Baltimore "truly competitive" last year?

I will keep bringing it up until you answer.

Nope, but they sure were in 2000.
Like to tell me how the Cowboys did in 2000, or is that not "Important"?

 

[Future]

Nope, but they sure were in 2000.
Like to tell me how the Cowboys did in 2000, or is that not "Important"?

Lol ok then.

It's not important. Your standard for "truly competitive" is impossible because means there are only 4 teams each year who meet that, independent of what they do in the regular season or how they might lose a playoff game.

 

[Jake]

Newy Scruggs, Everson Walls and Jesse Holly discuss the biggest problem with the Cowboys Football team these last 25 years.

· Jerry runs the team like Al Davis ran the Raiders

· Jerry wants credit for winning and doesn’t feel he got sufficient credit for the SB wins.

· Comparisons with the Yankee’s owner.

· If Jerry really wanted to win he’d make the necessary changes. i.e. appoint a non Jones GM.

Al Davis spent the last 28 years of his life using 3 SBs won decades ago as proof that he - even at 80 years old - was the best man for the job.

Those who fail to learn from history...

 

[IrishAnto]

Lol ok then.

It's not important. Your standard for "truly competitive" is impossible because means there are only 4 teams each year who meet that, independent of what they do in the regular season or how they might lose a playoff game.

The teams who managed to appear in at least 2 of their respective conference championships in the last 25 years would beg to differ!
How's that for a standard?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think the recent criticism of Jerry is WAY overblown. There was a time when Jerry was “Al Davis Light” but that hasn’t been the case for some time. It’s been AT LEAST since the Johnny Manziel draft when we took Martin over Manziel. It probably started turning before that.

The Cowboys have drafted very well overall since Will McClay took over. The organization wanted TJ Watt, and instead of trusting the organization he went with the “football guy” (Marinelli) and drafted Taco instead of trusting the process. If anything gm Jerry, in at least that case, trusted the football guy too much.

In fact you can blame most of the defensive woes of this team at Marinelli’s feet. News flash—football guys are not always right either. See: Bobby Carpenter.

The Cowboys salary cap is not an emotional thing. It is a set of rules that the team must operate within. I would also argue that Jerry was a bit too lax with passing out contracts to Tank, Jaylon, etc. (Although we are starting to get some ROI on Tank finally).

Actually Verdict, I don't know that we didn't go with the Football guys on Watt. The Scouts and Personnel people wanted Watt. Marinelli picked the DL who he felt was the best available because he was told that it would be a DL and not a LB, as I recall. You could make the case that we actually did exactly the opposite of listening to the Football guys......

 

[Bigdog]

Newy Scruggs, Everson Walls and Jesse Holly discuss the biggest problem with the Cowboys Football team these last 25 years.

· Jerry runs the team like Al Davis ran the Raiders

· Jerry wants credit for winning and doesn’t feel he got sufficient credit for the SB wins.

· Comparisons with the Yankee’s owner.

· If Jerry really wanted to win he’d make the necessary changes. i.e. appoint a non Jones GM.

The between Steinbrenner and Jerry is Jerry has to contend with the salary cap. Steinbrenner motto is the hell with how much it will cost to sign him. I want to win.

 

[IrishAnto]

The between Steinbrenner and Jerry is Jerry has to contend with the salary cap. Steinbrenner motto is the hell with how much it will cost to sign him. I want to win.

And when Jerry could spend what he liked on players, he won too.
Since then....

 

[Future]

The teams who managed to appear in at least 2 of their respective conference championships in the last 25 years would beg to differ!
How's that for a standard?

It's a dumb one. By your standard, Baltimore wasn't "truly competitive" last year. Which is pants on head silly.

 

[Sydla]

LOL the lengths people will go to in order to try to deny that the last 20 or so years of Cowboys football has largely been unsuccessful.

 

[Redline360]

How is it way overblown? In any other town, if a GM went 20 years with zero championship game appearances, that guy would have been fired a long time ago or the fans would have revolted that he kept his job that long.

Jerry is the President, the GM, the God of Cowboys football. Every mistake, every failed season, every bad decision, it's all on him. He demanded the power and now you can't make excuses for him when the continually fail to meet any real expectations. When you look at the last two decades, the Cowboys rank amongst the worst teams in the NFL in terms of playoff wins, etc.

Unfortunately, as long as Jerry (and Stephen) operate like they are quality GMs, this franchise will just continue the up and down but largely unsuccessful pattern we have seen for 20+ years.

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Its mind boggling that people want to point fingers anywhere else but the Jones family

 

[IrishAnto]

It's a dumb one. By your standard, Baltimore wasn't "truly competitive" last year. Which is pants on head silly.

That's it, you keep focusing on last year and Baltimore because nothing but last year and Baltimore count.
It's strange you don't mention KC in your fixation on last year...

 

[Jake]

Lol ok then.

It's not important. Your standard for "truly competitive" is impossible because means there are only 4 teams each year who meet that, independent of what they do in the regular season or how they might lose a playoff game.

The Cowboys have 2nd longest conference championship game appearance drought in the NFC. Only the Lions are further removed (by four years) from their last one.

Rationalize that any way you like.

 

[Future]

The Cowboys have 2nd longest conference championship game appearance drought in the NFC. Only the Lions are further removed (by four years) from their last one.

Rationalize that any way you like.

I know. It doesn't mean anything.

 

[Future]

That's it, you keep focusing on last year and Baltimore because nothing but last year and Baltimore count.
It's strange you don't mention KC in your fixation on last year...

KC has nothing to do with it.

Your point is that "truly competitive" is defined by being in the CCG. By your own opinion, not getting there means you weren't "truly competitive." If Baltimore wasn't "truly competitive" last year, then fine, but it means your point is junk.

 

[kskboys]

yup they made the change most wanted, garett era over year obviously this team and year was devastated by Injuries' and they are down so kick them , it drives ratings..
fans are so impatient to see 8 games with obvious reasons for a down year and now this NEW Staff has to go and jones dont want to win, last i checked they are spending big money on resigning players, if they didnt want to win, they would constantly let all their FA players walk and just put draft pick as starters every four years rinse and repeat..

theres a huge different NOT wanting to win and being cheap and simply making some bad decsions..

You think this is about one season? Manalive, you should prolly just not post in threads such as this. I mean, it's obvious truth is just not your thing.

 

[kskboys]

I know. It doesn't mean anything.

Amazing take.

That sort of stat means unequivocally that the team is being run poorly. There is simply no other way to look at it.